evan All American 27701 Posts user info edit post |
i turn off DHT and peer exchange, i encrypt all my traffic via an ssh tunnel to sweden, and i only use private trackers.] 12/14/2008 10:11:53 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
don't forget to change what IP you report to the tracker.. but i mean come on, there's not much else you can do, it's still traceable
the main two answers here are: a) don't torrent b) torrent only legal downloads
[Edited on December 14, 2008 at 10:15 PM. Reason : .] 12/14/2008 10:14:23 PM |
fleetwud AmbitiousButRubbish 49741 Posts user info edit post |
distrowatch.com legaltorrents.com zzzz
12/14/2008 10:16:47 PM |
evan All American 27701 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, it's always traceable if they're willing to try hard enough to find you
the principle most people bet on is that there are SO many people out there who torrent without having any clue what they are doing... those are easy targets for the RIAA/MPAA/etc...
one would think they'd go after the easy targets and just give up if it takes them any effort to trace you beyond a subpoena to your ISP unless they have a specific reason for doing so
it's all about minimizing risk 12/14/2008 10:17:51 PM |
joe17669 All American 22728 Posts user info edit post |
i dont download shit that i can get in trouble for] 12/14/2008 10:26:38 PM |
Aficionado Suspended 22518 Posts user info edit post |
i dont
i try to reduce the amount of temptation in my life 12/14/2008 10:27:09 PM |
agentlion All American 13936 Posts user info edit post |
i don't worry about it. I figure, with all the other shit going on right now, nobody is going to come after me for downloading a few HBO and Showtime shows a week.
I don't do music, movies, or software. Just premium cable TV that I don't subscribe to. 12/14/2008 10:37:24 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
what tunnel in sweden? Do you pay for tunneling access? If not, how do you cope with what is certainly a loss in speed?
I think i've only really heard of 1 case where they actually took a non-college user to court over downloading. I figure with my relatively little downloading, and very little uploading (seed rate usually is not higher than .3 for me-- TWC's upload is terrible), they're not going to bother me.
[Edited on December 14, 2008 at 10:55 PM. Reason : ] 12/14/2008 10:53:39 PM |
evan All American 27701 Posts user info edit post |
i'd much rather have an additional layer of protection over speed
and i'm fairly happy with what i get - it caps out at around 300KB/sec and that's more than enough for me. 12/14/2008 11:27:55 PM |
DoubleDown All American 9382 Posts user info edit post |
wait 2 weeks after something is released before downloading it 12/15/2008 1:50:09 AM |
Colemania All American 1081 Posts user info edit post |
I usually do peer guardian 2 (block all sources, block http)
but, like every has said, its not fool proof but its better than nothing 12/15/2008 3:16:23 AM |
jtmartin All American 4116 Posts user info edit post |
^^ why is that? 12/15/2008 5:47:18 AM |
Shaggy All American 17820 Posts user info edit post |
lol. Peer guardian. I cant believe scrubs still fall for that junk.
Strength in numbers is the only thing protecting your torrents. Anyone who can scrape the tracker can find you. 12/15/2008 8:34:20 AM |
jethromoore All American 2529 Posts user info edit post |
I don't worry about it. Don't they all just drop the charges if you use a wireless network? That is, unless they can prove your wireless network was secure and you were the one using it at the time? 12/15/2008 9:02:09 AM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I don't do music, movies, or software. Just premium cable TV that I don't subscribe to." |
Stealing bread is just as wrong as stealing apples. Rationalize all you like, theft is theft.12/15/2008 7:30:46 PM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
He's not rationalizing anything, he's telling you how he tries to avoid being caught. He knows he's stealing, get off your fucking high horse. 12/15/2008 8:13:05 PM |
agentlion All American 13936 Posts user info edit post |
i'm not rationalizing. I was just pointing out that i haven't heard of anyone going after people for downloading TV. They seem to be mostly concerned with movies and music. Therefore, i'm not saying that it's "OK" for me to OMG STEAL 2 hours of premium cable a week, i'm just saying the risk of doing that appears to be much, much less than downloading other stuff.
oh, and btw
^ .... wow, almost identical post!
[Edited on December 15, 2008 at 8:18 PM. Reason : .] 12/15/2008 8:16:42 PM |
Grandmaster All American 10829 Posts user info edit post |
was this thread really necessary ? come back to us when you're actually trading actively in the scene and your group is the one providing you the .nl shell access from some ultra private box at a random amsterdam uni so that you can do nothing but RATRATRAT in your privately written version of pftp (or stolen mew build) all day to win your races.
That or just donate 100TB of hard drive space.
I use my own non-spoofed, unencrypted, residential connection to download whatever the fuck I want. Most of the people that would even care to see the responses in this thread have already given up warez all together or at least gave up contact with the scene (where you actually need to worry about this type of bs security).
Having said all of that, I totally purchased my first piece of software since Diablo II/Warcraft. ESET NOD32! Only because I couldn't find a reliable cracked version.
And christ, you guys fall into Noen's trap every single time in every single thread about piracy.
[Edited on December 15, 2008 at 8:27 PM. Reason : .] 12/15/2008 8:25:25 PM |
bous All American 11215 Posts user info edit post |
back in the day ppl would donate 1tb and get free leech 12/15/2008 9:41:24 PM |
OmarBadu zidik 25071 Posts user info edit post |
only ~6-7yrs ago - not even that long heh
11/23/2003 what a sad sad day - rip LDH 12/15/2008 9:44:56 PM |
DoubleDown All American 9382 Posts user info edit post |
gather 'round the campfire children, lets hear more stories of ole Grandmaster's Scene Escapades
tell us one more story before bedtime, Pa! will ya? 12/15/2008 11:03:53 PM |
Grandmaster All American 10829 Posts user info edit post |
eh exactly my point. no one gives a shit. 12/15/2008 11:05:55 PM |
Shadowrunner All American 18332 Posts user info edit post |
this is just another thread for evan to showcase his technical knowledge to the rest of the class. 12/15/2008 11:13:44 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I was just pointing out that i haven't heard of anyone going after people for downloading TV. They seem to be mostly concerned with movies and music. Therefore, i'm not saying that it's "OK" for me to OMG STEAL 2 hours of premium cable a week, i'm just saying the risk of doing that appears to be much, much less than downloading other stuff." |
I'm not on a high horse. As usual, ALL of you completely MISS the fucking point.
DONT TALK ABOUT THIS SHIT ON THEWOLFWEB. I could give two shits about all illegal acts you carry out in your own home. But don't post about it here.
a) No one cares if you only download things you think no one will catch you for b) No one cares if you are a leet pirate scene hotshot c) It's going to really suck balls when some random twit from a watchdog group hops on this forum and fucks one or more of you retards with a lawsuit. I'd rather not see that happen.
I've already been called as a witness multiple times for stupid, illegal shit people have done on this site that SOMEHOW I got attached to. I don't want that shit to happen to anyone, on either side of it. So can we please, for the love of God, keep the pirating and blatant illegal Q/A off this site?
It's not helping anyone by responding, it's not helping anyone by rationalizing your behavior, it's not helping anyone by getting your damn panties in a wad with the classic "high horse/glass house/perfect person" arguments. I'm not claiming to be a perfect person, but I am trying, although apparently in vain, to get you guys to WAKE UP, and SHUT UP.12/16/2008 1:38:32 AM |
agentlion All American 13936 Posts user info edit post |
that's all perfectly fine, but that is definitely not what your original "Stealing bread is just as wrong as stealing apples" response was getting at 12/16/2008 7:53:04 AM |
Aficionado Suspended 22518 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I've already been called as a witness multiple times for stupid, illegal shit people have done on this site that SOMEHOW I got attached to." |
that smells like bullshit12/16/2008 11:49:35 AM |
Tiberius Suspended 7607 Posts user info edit post |
I want to go back in time and see Noen's reaction to the WASTE network people had running out of Tech Talk for a while
Noen: NO!! STOP IT!! GAHHHHH!!! YOU ARE ALL FUCKING FILTHY PIRATES AND I AM CALLING THE PIRACY POLICE!!1
[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 11:59 AM. Reason : lol] 12/16/2008 11:57:53 AM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
a) ... used to pirate b) ... now works for Microsoft c) ... surfs TWW at work d) ...
You get the idea. 12/16/2008 12:47:45 PM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
I'm calling the cops! Some guy on The Wolf Web downloaded Entourage! 12/16/2008 12:54:26 PM |
Shaggy All American 17820 Posts user info edit post |
I dont think you guys get what noen is saying. No one gives a fuck if you pirate shit, but dont try to justify it. 12/16/2008 4:26:38 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
a) stop trying to justify piracy #12418621 b) don't post anything related to piracy on the wolf web #12419939 message_topic.aspx?topic=475636&page=1#10339024 message_topic.aspx?topic=476576&page=1#10339020 c) is strongly against piracy message_topic.aspx?topic=394037&page=1#8444309
among others.
so just don't do it, mkay?
[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 5:07 PM. Reason : .] 12/16/2008 4:58:24 PM |
agentlion All American 13936 Posts user info edit post |
^^ I don't think you get what anybody here, Noen or the rest of us, are saying.
Nobody here is trying, in the least, to justify piracy or downloading stuff for free. The only thing going on is people asking be best ways to to it "safely", if there is such a thing.
[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 4:59 PM. Reason : .] 12/16/2008 4:58:43 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
did you see my post #2 in this thread? i already responded to that, now i'm just responding to the other posts in this thread.
the point of this thread is basically asking how to pirate via torrent "safely".
if you were doing anything legal, you wouldn't be asking this question.
i think what Noen is saying is to not talk about anything directly related to piracy. (although i'm interpreting this from his don't post links to pirated material)
i think Noen's trying to do you a favor, although this is the wolfweb and i'd say there's more questionable material on here than "how to torrent safely" but still we don't want this place shutdown, blocked, fined or whatever.
[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 5:13 PM. Reason : ,] 12/16/2008 5:09:13 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
^Exactly. The entire premise of this thread is that the OP is doing something necessary of protecting his identity. The legal ideal of torrents is that everyone's identity is public and shared (in terms of their data). Agentlion: You are justifying piracy by saying you wont get caught. This entire thread is justifying it by saying it's a legitimate discussion with technical merit. It's not.
Quote : | "that's all perfectly fine, but that is definitely not what your original "Stealing bread is just as wrong as stealing apples" response was getting at" |
You made a rationalization to steer the OP into thinking one form or another or piracy was less "bad" or "risky". When the reality is, you don't have any data to back your post up, other than "I do this and haven't been caught".
Quote : | "that smells like bullshit" |
It's not bullshit. It is a huge pain in the ass, but you might be surprised how many little illegal acts have been quietly dealt with by police on this site. This place isn't a safe haven.
Quote : | "I want to go back in time and see Noen's reaction to the WASTE network people had running out of Tech Talk for a while" |
I have no problem with waste. Still a great idea to me. The ability to safely share information amongst trusted friends is a completely legitimate and useful service.12/16/2008 5:18:19 PM |
Aficionado Suspended 22518 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It's not bullshit. It is a huge pain in the ass, but you might be surprised how many little illegal acts have been quietly dealt with by police on this site. This place isn't a safe haven." |
i still dont believe you
[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 6:44 PM. Reason :
12/16/2008 6:37:24 PM |
dakota_man All American 26584 Posts user info edit post |
I had to go give a statement one time 12/16/2008 8:07:38 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
I think this thread was started so evan could brag about his l33t intarwebz skillz.. 12/16/2008 8:50:55 PM |
joe17669 All American 22728 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.anonymizer.com 12/16/2008 8:58:23 PM |
catalyst All American 8704 Posts user info edit post |
12/16/2008 9:32:27 PM |
Arab13 Art Vandelay 45180 Posts user info edit post |
so even for legal torrents it's now 'wrong' to want to be completely anonymous?
wtf
fuck that shit
you guys can go on and on about "well if you weren't doing anything wrong why would you try to cover it up?" it doesn't make that argument any more valid, or make my rights to privacy any less important.
Quote : | "I think this thread was started so evan could brag about his l33t intarwebz skillz.." |
surprise?]12/18/2008 9:44:23 AM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "so even for legal torrents it's now 'wrong' to want to be completely anonymous? " |
no, nothing wrong with that, but be honest nothing in this thread is about protecting your privacy with legal bit torrent crap. no one cares to look up IP's and trace you for downloading ubuntu
but you and evan both disclosed that you aren't doing anything legal with your torrent activities, neither post says anything about protecting privacy, just more about "minimizing risk of being caught doing something illegal"
evan:Quote : | "it's all about minimizing risk" |
agentlion:Quote : | "I don't do music, movies, or software. Just premium cable TV..." |
if you want information regarding this (since the nature of the question is questionable and we'd all rather not have this on TWW) http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=how+to+torrent+safely
but as numerous people pointed out, that's not why this thread was started, was it?
[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM. Reason : .]12/18/2008 1:06:10 PM |
redburn All American 713 Posts user info edit post |
Don't torrent. If you have to, use DDL fora instead... from what I understand, they're safer if you go thru a proxy.
Especially when you're downloading Creative Commons and public domain files like I do, because stealing is bad.
[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 7:23 PM. Reason : .]
[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 7:24 PM. Reason : stealing is bad] 12/18/2008 7:20:22 PM |
evan All American 27701 Posts user info edit post |
damn
you people take things WAY too seriously
[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 10:04 PM. Reason : p.s. i never said i downloaded anything of questionable legality.] 12/18/2008 10:04:08 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
except there's no risk involved with downloading legal torrents and if it's legal why encrypt your traffic?
[Edited on December 19, 2008 at 1:50 PM. Reason : .] 12/19/2008 1:49:28 PM |
Tiberius Suspended 7607 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The ability to safely share information music, movies, porn, and warez amongst trusted friends is a completely legitimate and useful service." |
I fixed that for you, on the assumption we're discussing the same WASTE network 12/19/2008 2:38:23 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
i think what Noen's getting at is that it's not that the technology is bad (p2p,torrent,newsgroups,waste), it's "how you use it"
[Edited on December 19, 2008 at 2:53 PM. Reason : .] 12/19/2008 2:53:37 PM |
confusi0n All American 5076 Posts user info edit post |
WASTE was never ever about illicit file sharing 12/19/2008 4:00:44 PM |
drunknloaded Suspended 147487 Posts user info edit post |
what was it about then? i know what i used it for 12/19/2008 7:39:04 PM |
Tiberius Suspended 7607 Posts user info edit post |
I believe the intent was to allow people to communicate freely in the presence of government censorship
I think the reality of its use alludes to the role copyright has begun to play in our society, that of intellectual and cultural oppression by a privileged minority, and implies something of the motivation behind the "piracy movement" 12/19/2008 7:48:47 PM |
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