i turn off DHT and peer exchange, i encrypt all my traffic via an ssh tunnel to sweden, and i only use private trackers.

12/14/2008 10:11:53 PM

don't forget to change what IP you report to the tracker.. but i mean come on, there's not much else you can do, it's still traceable

the main two answers here are:
a) don't torrent
b) torrent only legal downloads

[Edited on December 14, 2008 at 10:15 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2008 10:14:23 PM

distrowatch.com
legaltorrents.com zzzz

12/14/2008 10:16:47 PM

yeah, it's always traceable if they're willing to try hard enough to find you

the principle most people bet on is that there are SO many people out there who torrent without having any clue what they are doing... those are easy targets for the RIAA/MPAA/etc...

one would think they'd go after the easy targets and just give up if it takes them any effort to trace you beyond a subpoena to your ISP unless they have a specific reason for doing so

it's all about minimizing risk

12/14/2008 10:17:51 PM

i dont download shit that i can get in trouble for

12/14/2008 10:26:38 PM

i dont

i try to reduce the amount of temptation in my life

12/14/2008 10:27:09 PM

i don't worry about it.
I figure, with all the other shit going on right now, nobody is going to come after me for downloading a few HBO and Showtime shows a week.

I don't do music, movies, or software. Just premium cable TV that I don't subscribe to.

12/14/2008 10:37:24 PM

what tunnel in sweden? Do you pay for tunneling access? If not, how do you cope with what is certainly a loss in speed?

I think i've only really heard of 1 case where they actually took a non-college user to court over downloading. I figure with my relatively little downloading, and very little uploading (seed rate usually is not higher than .3 for me-- TWC's upload is terrible), they're not going to bother me.

[Edited on December 14, 2008 at 10:55 PM. Reason : ]

12/14/2008 10:53:39 PM

i'd much rather have an additional layer of protection over speed

and i'm fairly happy with what i get - it caps out at around 300KB/sec and that's more than enough for me.

12/14/2008 11:27:55 PM

wait 2 weeks after something is released before downloading it

12/15/2008 1:50:09 AM

I usually do peer guardian 2 (block all sources, block http)

but, like every has said, its not fool proof but its better than nothing

12/15/2008 3:16:23 AM

^^ why is that?

12/15/2008 5:47:18 AM

lol. Peer guardian. I cant believe scrubs still fall for that junk.

Strength in numbers is the only thing protecting your torrents. Anyone who can scrape the tracker can find you.

12/15/2008 8:34:20 AM

I don't worry about it. Don't they all just drop the charges if you use a wireless network? That is, unless they can prove your wireless network was secure and you were the one using it at the time?

12/15/2008 9:02:09 AM

Quote :

"I don't do music, movies, or software. Just premium cable TV that I don't subscribe to."

Stealing bread is just as wrong as stealing apples. Rationalize all you like, theft is theft.

12/15/2008 7:30:46 PM

He's not rationalizing anything, he's telling you how he tries to avoid being caught. He knows he's stealing, get off your fucking high horse.

12/15/2008 8:13:05 PM

i'm not rationalizing.
I was just pointing out that i haven't heard of anyone going after people for downloading TV. They seem to be mostly concerned with movies and music. Therefore, i'm not saying that it's "OK" for me to OMG STEAL 2 hours of premium cable a week, i'm just saying the risk of doing that appears to be much, much less than downloading other stuff.


oh, and btw




^ .... wow, almost identical post!



[Edited on December 15, 2008 at 8:18 PM. Reason : .]

12/15/2008 8:16:42 PM

was this thread really necessary ? come back to us when you're actually trading actively in the scene and your group is the one providing you the .nl shell access from some ultra private box at a random amsterdam uni so that you can do nothing but RATRATRAT in your privately written version of pftp (or stolen mew build) all day to win your races.

That or just donate 100TB of hard drive space.

I use my own non-spoofed, unencrypted, residential connection to download whatever the fuck I want. Most of the people that would even care to see the responses in this thread have already given up warez all together or at least gave up contact with the scene (where you actually need to worry about this type of bs security).

Having said all of that, I totally purchased my first piece of software since Diablo II/Warcraft. ESET NOD32! Only because I couldn't find a reliable cracked version.


And christ, you guys fall into Noen's trap every single time in every single thread about piracy.

[Edited on December 15, 2008 at 8:27 PM. Reason : .]

12/15/2008 8:25:25 PM

back in the day ppl would donate 1tb and get free leech

12/15/2008 9:41:24 PM

only ~6-7yrs ago - not even that long heh

11/23/2003 what a sad sad day - rip LDH

12/15/2008 9:44:56 PM

gather 'round the campfire children, lets hear more stories of ole Grandmaster's Scene Escapades

tell us one more story before bedtime, Pa! will ya?

12/15/2008 11:03:53 PM

eh exactly my point. no one gives a shit.

12/15/2008 11:05:55 PM

this is just another thread for evan to showcase his technical knowledge to the rest of the class.

12/15/2008 11:13:44 PM

Quote :

"I was just pointing out that i haven't heard of anyone going after people for downloading TV. They seem to be mostly concerned with movies and music. Therefore, i'm not saying that it's "OK" for me to OMG STEAL 2 hours of premium cable a week, i'm just saying the risk of doing that appears to be much, much less than downloading other stuff."

I'm not on a high horse. As usual, ALL of you completely MISS the fucking point.

DONT TALK ABOUT THIS SHIT ON THEWOLFWEB. I could give two shits about all illegal acts you carry out in your own home. But don't post about it here.

a) No one cares if you only download things you think no one will catch you for
b) No one cares if you are a leet pirate scene hotshot
c) It's going to really suck balls when some random twit from a watchdog group hops on this forum and fucks one or more of you retards with a lawsuit. I'd rather not see that happen.

I've already been called as a witness multiple times for stupid, illegal shit people have done on this site that SOMEHOW I got attached to. I don't want that shit to happen to anyone, on either side of it. So can we please, for the love of God, keep the pirating and blatant illegal Q/A off this site?

It's not helping anyone by responding, it's not helping anyone by rationalizing your behavior, it's not helping anyone by getting your damn panties in a wad with the classic "high horse/glass house/perfect person" arguments. I'm not claiming to be a perfect person, but I am trying, although apparently in vain, to get you guys to WAKE UP, and SHUT UP.

12/16/2008 1:38:32 AM

that's all perfectly fine, but that is definitely not what your original "Stealing bread is just as wrong as stealing apples" response was getting at

12/16/2008 7:53:04 AM

Quote :

"I've already been called as a witness multiple times for stupid, illegal shit people have done on this site that SOMEHOW I got attached to."

that smells like bullshit

12/16/2008 11:49:35 AM

I want to go back in time and see Noen's reaction to the WASTE network people had running out of Tech Talk for a while

Noen: NO!! STOP IT!! GAHHHHH!!! YOU ARE ALL FUCKING FILTHY PIRATES AND I AM CALLING THE PIRACY POLICE!!1

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 11:59 AM. Reason : lol]

12/16/2008 11:57:53 AM

a) ... used to pirate
b) ... now works for Microsoft
c) ... surfs TWW at work
d) ...

You get the idea.

12/16/2008 12:47:45 PM

I'm calling the cops! Some guy on The Wolf Web downloaded Entourage!

12/16/2008 12:54:26 PM

I dont think you guys get what noen is saying. No one gives a fuck if you pirate shit, but dont try to justify it.

12/16/2008 4:26:38 PM

a) stop trying to justify piracy
#12418621
b) don't post anything related to piracy on the wolf web
#12419939
message_topic.aspx?topic=475636&page=1#10339024
message_topic.aspx?topic=476576&page=1#10339020
c) is strongly against piracy
message_topic.aspx?topic=394037&page=1#8444309

among others.

so just don't do it, mkay?

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 5:07 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2008 4:58:24 PM

^^ I don't think you get what anybody here, Noen or the rest of us, are saying.

Nobody here is trying, in the least, to justify piracy or downloading stuff for free. The only thing going on is people asking be best ways to to it "safely", if there is such a thing.

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 4:59 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2008 4:58:43 PM

did you see my post #2 in this thread? i already responded to that, now i'm just responding to the other posts in this thread.

the point of this thread is basically asking how to pirate via torrent "safely".

if you were doing anything legal, you wouldn't be asking this question.

i think what Noen is saying is to not talk about anything directly related to piracy.
(although i'm interpreting this from his don't post links to pirated material)

i think Noen's trying to do you a favor, although this is the wolfweb and i'd say there's more questionable material on here than "how to torrent safely" but still we don't want this place shutdown, blocked, fined or whatever.

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 5:13 PM. Reason : ,]

12/16/2008 5:09:13 PM

^Exactly. The entire premise of this thread is that the OP is doing something necessary of protecting his identity. The legal ideal of torrents is that everyone's identity is public and shared (in terms of their data). Agentlion: You are justifying piracy by saying you wont get caught. This entire thread is justifying it by saying it's a legitimate discussion with technical merit. It's not.

Quote :

"that's all perfectly fine, but that is definitely not what your original "Stealing bread is just as wrong as stealing apples" response was getting at"

You made a rationalization to steer the OP into thinking one form or another or piracy was less "bad" or "risky". When the reality is, you don't have any data to back your post up, other than "I do this and haven't been caught".

Quote :

"that smells like bullshit"

It's not bullshit. It is a huge pain in the ass, but you might be surprised how many little illegal acts have been quietly dealt with by police on this site. This place isn't a safe haven.

Quote :

"I want to go back in time and see Noen's reaction to the WASTE network people had running out of Tech Talk for a while"

I have no problem with waste. Still a great idea to me. The ability to safely share information amongst trusted friends is a completely legitimate and useful service.

12/16/2008 5:18:19 PM

Quote :

"It's not bullshit. It is a huge pain in the ass, but you might be surprised how many little illegal acts have been quietly dealt with by police on this site. This place isn't a safe haven."

i still dont believe you

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 6:44 PM. Reason : 

12/16/2008 6:37:24 PM

I had to go give a statement one time

12/16/2008 8:07:38 PM

I think this thread was started so evan could brag about his l33t intarwebz skillz..

12/16/2008 8:50:55 PM

http://www.anonymizer.com

12/16/2008 8:58:23 PM

Quote :

"TUNNEL TO SWEDEN"

12/16/2008 9:32:27 PM

so even for legal torrents it's now 'wrong' to want to be completely anonymous?

wtf

fuck that shit

you guys can go on and on about "well if you weren't doing anything wrong why would you try to cover it up?" it doesn't make that argument any more valid, or make my rights to privacy any less important.

Quote :

"I think this thread was started so evan could brag about his l33t intarwebz skillz.."

surprise?

12/18/2008 9:44:23 AM

Quote :

"so even for legal torrents it's now 'wrong' to want to be completely anonymous? "

no, nothing wrong with that, but be honest nothing in this thread is about protecting your privacy with legal bit torrent crap. no one cares to look up IP's and trace you for downloading ubuntu

but you and evan both disclosed that you aren't doing anything legal with your torrent activities, neither post says anything about protecting privacy, just more about "minimizing risk of being caught doing something illegal"

evan:

Quote :

"it's all about minimizing risk"

agentlion:

Quote :

"I don't do music, movies, or software. Just premium cable TV..."

if you want information regarding this (since the nature of the question is questionable and we'd all rather not have this on TWW)
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=how+to+torrent+safely

but as numerous people pointed out, that's not why this thread was started, was it?

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM. Reason : .]

12/18/2008 1:06:10 PM

Don't torrent. If you have to, use DDL fora instead... from what I understand, they're safer if you go thru a proxy.

Especially when you're downloading Creative Commons and public domain files like I do, because stealing is bad.

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 7:23 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 7:24 PM. Reason : stealing is bad]

12/18/2008 7:20:22 PM

damn

you people take things WAY too seriously

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 10:04 PM. Reason : p.s. i never said i downloaded anything of questionable legality.]

12/18/2008 10:04:08 PM

except there's no risk involved with downloading legal torrents and if it's legal why encrypt your traffic?

[Edited on December 19, 2008 at 1:50 PM. Reason : .]

12/19/2008 1:49:28 PM

Quote :

"The ability to safely share information music, movies, porn, and warez amongst trusted friends is a completely legitimate and useful service."

I fixed that for you, on the assumption we're discussing the same WASTE network

12/19/2008 2:38:23 PM

i think what Noen's getting at is that it's not that the technology is bad (p2p,torrent,newsgroups,waste), it's "how you use it"

[Edited on December 19, 2008 at 2:53 PM. Reason : .]

12/19/2008 2:53:37 PM

WASTE was never ever about illicit file sharing

12/19/2008 4:00:44 PM

what was it about then? i know what i used it for

12/19/2008 7:39:04 PM

I believe the intent was to allow people to communicate freely in the presence of government censorship

I think the reality of its use alludes to the role copyright has begun to play in our society, that of intellectual and cultural oppression by a privileged minority, and implies something of the motivation behind the "piracy movement"

12/19/2008 7:48:47 PM

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