^ Yeah and this was on the most friendly network to him. He will have a tough time laying this on the media.

11/16/2015 9:18:08 AM

Quote :

"Without knowing for sure which countries would be willing to participate in a coalition, it would be indiscrete for Ben to start naming countries. It is not a question the interviewer should even have asked and Ben did right by refusing to answer it. CARSON 2016?"

Yeah guys, it was just a question he shouldn't have asked. Dumb liberal media.

11/16/2015 9:29:14 AM

When are they actually having "debates"? Each candidate asked different questions, each one ignoring the question and just reciting scripted talking points.

11/16/2015 11:59:32 AM

Isn't that what politicians do best?

11/16/2015 12:18:13 PM

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/260317-cruz-to-offer-bill-banning-syrian-refugees

who will be the 1st to try and one-up this lunacy?

11/16/2015 7:46:38 PM

Quote :

"There is no meaningful risk of Christians committing acts of terror."

I shouldn't be surprised anymore but this quote really is unbelievable

11/17/2015 8:46:09 AM

11/17/2015 8:18:58 PM

Was there another homegrown terrorist attack??

11/17/2015 9:21:39 PM

You mean besides Oklahoma City? Sure. Eric Rudolph had a few (96 Olympics in Atlanta being the biggest). Army of God had some terrorism against abortion clinics. Unabomber. I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting at the moment. And depending on how you define "terrorism", some of the recent mass shootings may qualify, such as the Charleston, SC one.

11/17/2015 9:30:20 PM

no, they don't get to define terrorism. charleston was terrorism.

11/17/2015 9:36:47 PM

Wow just wow:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/us/politics/ben-carson-is-struggling-to-grasp-foreign-policy-advisers-say.html?_r=0

“Nobody has been able to sit down with him and have him get one iota of intelligent information about the Middle East,” said Duane R. Clarridge, a top adviser to Mr. Carson on terrorism and national security. He also said Mr. Carson needed weekly conference calls briefing him on foreign policy so “we can make him smart.”

11/17/2015 9:37:46 PM

ITT I learned that any white terrorist is considered Christian

11/17/2015 10:11:22 PM

Quote :

"Mr. Carson needed weekly conference calls briefing him on foreign policy"

Uh, is this supposed to be a knock on Carson? I am sure all of the candidates are regularly "briefed" on foreign policy.

11/17/2015 10:39:21 PM

Quote :

"ITT I learned that any white terrorist is considered Christian"

I don't know if you're responding to my list of homegrown terrorists, but I never claimed that all of them were Christian, just homegrown (though some of them definitely identify as Christian, such as Eric Rudolph and Army of God).

11/17/2015 10:50:46 PM

I don't really get Smath's picture ITT. What am I missing?

11/17/2015 10:56:43 PM

ANFO can't melt steel beams.

11/18/2015 2:38:59 AM

HCH you obviously missed the rest of the article.

11/18/2015 8:06:06 AM

Quote :

"“Nobody has been able to sit down with him and have him get one iota of intelligent information about the Middle East,” said Duane R. Clarridge, a top adviser to Mr. Carson on terrorism and national security. He also said Mr. Carson needed weekly conference calls briefing him on foreign policy so “we can make him smart.”"

You can tell it's an anti-Carson source when they refer to him as "Mr." rather than "Dr."

Anything to make a neurosurgeon somehow seem stupid.

11/18/2015 1:40:30 PM

Why do you assume a doctor is smart? Sure, he's a subject matter expert in certain areas, but he can be woefully ignorant/stupid in others. There are published Ph. Ds out there who are Young Earth Creationists.

11/18/2015 1:59:20 PM

Carson is an idiot. I can only hope the bible thumpers don't usher this clown into office.

11/18/2015 2:39:48 PM

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"You can tell it's an anti-Carson source when they refer to him as "Mr." rather than "Dr." Anything to make a neurosurgeon somehow seem stupid."

the New York Times does that with everyone, regardless of profession

they've done it for more than a hundred years

11/18/2015 2:49:09 PM

Somewhat relevant to Dr. Carson, his crazy beliefs, and whether MDs are smart or not:

I don't have a source for this, this is just from memory from several years ago. Math professors occasionally get emails from cranks claiming they've done something special, like finding a truly marvelous proof of Fermat's Last Theorem, or trisecting the angle with compass and straight-edge, things like that.

I remember reading one professor (it may have been Underwood Dudley, who's written a few books comprising various crank correspondences he and other mathematicians have received) say that invariably, the majority of crank emails he gets are from MDs. He assumed it may be because some people go into the medical profession looking to be intellectually challenged, get bored, and develop a hobby for math (and I've heard physics, too) to stimulate their intellect. FWIW.

11/18/2015 4:34:34 PM

^^Fair enough

I thought Carson was just doing this to sell his book

[Edited on November 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .]

11/18/2015 4:47:15 PM

I'm not really that familiar with the term, but I think you were making what's called a straw man argument

11/18/2015 4:51:47 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/politics/colorado-quinnipiac-poll-clinton-trails-rubio-carson/index.html

Carson is proof that for a large swath of the population, all you need to get their vote is

Step 1 have a "-R" next to your name.
Step 2 talk about how much you love Jesus
Step 3 promise to not take anyones guns and talk about shooting bad guys with guns!
Step 4 throw in some fits about "small government" (even though we all secretly hoping you'll use your governmental authority to enforce Christian values on everyone)

I figured this guy was toast after the crazy Pyramid Silo thing and it coming out he lied in his book.

11/18/2015 5:22:19 PM

http://mashable.com/2015/11/18/ben-carson-united-states-map/#DLBh9P_zO5q9

Not sure how this even happens... guessing the team he hired to make he graphic purposefully sabotaged him?

11/18/2015 9:30:58 PM

^Huffington headlined that as "Ben Carson Took A Bold Stance On America's Borders." I haven't laughed so hard in a long, long time.

11/19/2015 3:41:47 AM

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-says-he-would-certainly-implement-muslim-database-n466716

I posted this to Facebook and Facebook has a new feature that shows other people who posted it, and it's scary how trump supporters are rationalizing this. There's also a new talking point from them, when pointing out how this violates multiple amendments to the constitution, they're saying that "this wouldn't be unconstitutional because the constitution allows for management" and also that " separation of church and state was meant to be against Islam specifically ".

11/21/2015 1:43:12 PM

^Trump has gone full Nazi and yes the GOP field has stepped into fascism.

11/21/2015 3:37:05 PM

^ i find myself having a weird sympathy for Rubio and some of the others because of Trump... it must suck to be beat by this. But on the other hand, Trump is a direct result of right-wing radio like OReilly, Hannity, and Limbaugh, and Fox News promoting Trumps Birther nonsense.

11/21/2015 8:02:47 PM

^ it's not gonna last

11/21/2015 9:35:31 PM

people saying trump won't last. when will he drop in the polls? Januaray? super tuesday?

11/21/2015 9:47:17 PM

February 2017.

11/22/2015 11:04:24 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/politics/black-activist-punched-at-donald-trump-rally-in-birmingham/2015/11/22/f67ef158968f2b79255b6a5ec61f1cc6_story.html?tid=kindle-app

So trump is literally running his entire campaign on a platform of virulent xenophobia and racism. Even if he became president, what would congress do? Would trump be able to get them to go along with his ideas?

11/22/2015 11:23:05 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-inaccurate-tweet_56524c0de4b0879a5b0b6c10

^ Pretty much

11/22/2015 10:11:28 PM

^
Wow. Trump, the leading Republican presidential candidate, tweets propaganda created by white supremacist groups, and we still have people on this very message board that insist racism isn't a real thing. Two white Boston men beat a homeless immigrant in trumps name , trump calls them spirited supporters. Trump supporters, on national TV, beat a peaceful protester, and Trump says maybe be deserved to be roughed up. He keeps repeating a wrong claim about seeing Arabs in New Jersey chained 9/11, and of course the whole Muslim registration thing "and more".

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-leads-ben-carson-two-polls-election-2016/

Trump has gained in the polls the past few days, he's gained a double digit lead over Carson.

So please, someone explain how republicans aren't the racist party (1/3rd and growing), or that the free market can eliminate racism because people would just not support a racist.

I just hope the other 2/3rds of republican voters can figure something out and end this trump madness.

If Fox news can repeatedly call for moderate Muslims to denounce terrorists, why can't the rest of the media demand moderate republicans denounce trump?

In any case, the next debate is going to be a moral test for the moderators, do they tolerate this or try to end it?

11/22/2015 11:02:09 PM

republicans have denounced trump over and over

11/22/2015 11:31:18 PM

Trump doubled down on the guy getting beat up at his rally saying "maybe he deserved to get roughed up".

11/22/2015 11:39:12 PM

Trump tweets out a racist and completely inaccurate graphic that I am sure many of you are seeing circulate on FB etc:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-black-crime-police-retweet/

http://gawker.com/noted-racist-donald-trump-tweets-out-anti-black-propaga-1744083487?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

The alleged source of the information doesn't even actually exist.

11/23/2015 9:17:42 AM

Wow moron, I expect better than you.

What Republican here on this board supports Trump? And at least in my work circle, polling Dems independents, quite a few from each side like Trump. When I ask them why it is the same answer we've heard over and over again - they're tired of Washington politics and they want someone from the outside. When I mention Carson as also being an outsider, they say they feel he isn't aggressive enough.

So, just from my little anecdotal part of the world, that's who is rooting for Trump. I want someone with experience, who will have a real-world solution to immigration. For me the only person who can do that is Bush.

What Trump says is nonsense, and the more Ben Carson moves along, his words are nonsense as well.

11/23/2015 10:25:01 AM

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"we still have people on this very message board that insist racism isn't a real thing."

No, we just have liberals on this very message board that lack reading comprehension and are forced to create countless strawmen when their false-narratives (Mizzou protest, Ahmed clock, USA mosques burning, hands up don’t shoot) are defecated upon.

Quote :

" Trump supporters, on national TV, beat a peaceful protester, and Trump says maybe be deserved to be roughed up."

Lmao. Because forcibly removing someone that starts fighting back means you “beat them” right? I’m sure the HuffingtonPost told you the poor innocent protestor was tarred and feathered by a bunch of racists. Notice how after he stopped resisting and fighting back nobody was doing anything but escorting him out of the building? Obviously the left will try and portray the protestor as a “victim” but he is just a confrontational, disruptive asshole.

Part of the blame for Trump’s success goes to liberals, who have created a super sensitive PC climate, making someone who isn’t afraid of telling BLM to “get the hell out” a welcome change for most. Unlike Bernie Sanders, who showed how caving into the entitled hubris of attention-seeking, misguided race-baiters results in a 10 minute moment of silence for a thug who attacked a cop.

11/23/2015 11:27:34 AM

Quote :

"And at least in my work circle, polling Dems independents, quite a few from each side like Trump. When I ask them why it is the same answer we've heard over and over again - they're tired of Washington politics and they want someone from the outside."

Jebus I think this is the first confirmed sighting on Trump supporters ITT. I mean I like Trump, but only because the GOP is fucked up and needs to burn, but these are people who *actually* like Trump, like for real? And they're Democrats? "Moderates" maybe...but I'd bet they call themselves "moderate" and are actually staunch Republicans, but what actual Democrat could support Trump? It makes no fucking sense.

11/23/2015 11:36:16 AM

man...

http://mic.com/articles/129032/trump-s-last-96-hours-include-stealing-neo-nazi-tweets-and-more-anti-muslim-rhetoric

11/23/2015 12:09:16 PM

^^No. One of the guys is actually a pretty staunch Democrat. Voted for Obama each time. The second time he claims he voted 3 times. But man, he's for Trump. I don't see why, but he is.

Of course this was about 2 months ago that I asked him this, maybe he's changed his mind. But the others haven't.

11/23/2015 12:16:12 PM

^^^ at least 30% of republicans (15% of the country) and some small percentage of democrats like trump. I have multiple trump supporters on my Facebook, and they all post idiotic things like JCE and tend to either ignore facts (which seems to be the basis of their trump love) or just be ignorant of factual information. They have no ability to detect BS and are easily fooled by seeing things tweeted out like what Trump did.

So in terms of "identity politics", it looks like Trump's demo is people who are just dumb but don't realize it, and think the white man is under attack.

^ 2 months ago is a long time, Trump was relatively tame then. He's taken a weird turn recently, not sure if he's just becoming more confident because he hasn't washed out or what.

[Edited on November 23, 2015 at 12:19 PM. Reason : ]

11/23/2015 12:18:23 PM

I've voted Republican quite a bit in the past but for those of you registered Republicans are you genuinely outraged that Trump is apparently setting out to completely destroy your party?

I mean it's gone past the point of just saying Trump is a "straight shooter" and "telling it like it is."

You guys have a legitimate chance to beat Hilary with a guy like Rubio (like him or not) if he stops making your party look like this.

11/23/2015 12:26:49 PM

I have no doubt he will destroy my party.

If the guy doesn't get the nod, he's gonna run 3rd party, and ensure a Bernie/Hillary victory. There's no good outcome for us here.

Bush continues to lag, and for me he's the only serious contender.

11/23/2015 12:51:31 PM

As it stands with Trumps favorability being so low, and meager plurality it would be hard for him to win the GOP nomination, but his rhetoric has already hurt people, and he will continue to hurt people. The fact it's even tolerated by as many people as it is, is worrisome. I would hope that once this smoke clears the GOP reevaluates the kinds of ideologies that it harbors.

And can anyone here see a leading non-white democratic candidate demonizing whites/christians the way trump demonizes hispanics/blacks/muslims, and yet still be given so much credible coverage? I'm pretty sure that falls under the umbrella of "majority systemic bias".

11/23/2015 12:54:03 PM

People in general like to be entertained. And for the general masses, Trump is entertaining. That's what he does. Maybe in the privacy of voting booths people will forget about the pomp and vote on the issues.

11/23/2015 1:23:52 PM

I think you're giving the 'general masses' too much credit.

11/23/2015 1:41:13 PM