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4/6/2006 3:00:16 AM

or the printed evidence of langley's "alleged" coersion. which will surface first?

4/6/2006 3:17:34 AM

All the muck that's fit to rake.

4/6/2006 3:27:57 AM

^^
depends on how you want to define "surface," since the proof of lying Elections Commissioner(s) was all over Witherspoon last night while the proof of "coercion" is still apparently only in the possession of the Elections Commission.

I don't doubt there will be a concerted effort to get Langley DQ'd, but now the die has been cast -- the Elections Commission can no longer claim impartiality, when you clearly have Commissioner(s) lying solely for the purpose of DQ'ing the #1 vote getter

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 8:54 AM. Reason :  ]

4/6/2006 8:38:51 AM

Haha. Some student government you have got there. No one takes it seriously as is and when the wrong person wins an election the rest of the student government body lashes out as a result of bruised egos.

Quote :

"actually its a disqualification hearing for chalking within 50 feet of a polling station"

Why do I have this image in my mind of someone busting out a tape measure and going "AHA! 48' 10", we've got him now!!!!!" or worse yet... "Look, here's some chalking... lets set up a polling station here MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA".

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 9:21 AM. Reason : -]

4/6/2006 9:19:28 AM

that and they hit him 2x for the same offense -- gave him a notification for chalking on the wall (which according to the hearing was removed when the Langley campaign was called) but then gave him a warning for a separate chalking on the ground in the exact same area likely by the same people with the same piece of chalk

it's almost as bad as University Transportation giving me 2 parking tickets for the same violation... ]

4/6/2006 9:25:24 AM

wasn't langley the one with the college republicans endorsement?

4/6/2006 9:31:04 AM

and yet we don't care

4/6/2006 11:20:32 AM

Rabble Rabble Rabble

4/6/2006 11:40:19 AM

Quote :

"that the North Carolina State University Student Senate shall honor Erich M. Fabricius by placing a plaque with his name and years of service on the end of the front right table to the Senate President as well as a book will be placed in the Student Government Office detailing his works."

Quote :

"E-Fab IS the man in SG..."

E-Fab is a fag - he will fail at life

4/6/2006 11:48:09 AM

make SGA elections partisan. it will improve voter turnout.

4/6/2006 11:53:17 AM

the things i read that they were considering in the tech yesterday were
e-mail spamming via greek organizations, and offering executive positions to ppl to have the violation stuff dealt with quickly. that his mass e-mailing actually got to quick asking him to vote for langley seems like he brought this on himself somewhat.

i hadn't heard about the chalking too close thing, i had noticed the chalking where rain can't hit it, but chalk doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

Also never say this to a bureaucracy:

Quote :

"Langley also had a complaint filed against him for door-to-door soliciting in Tucker residence hall. Dan Barber, freshman in First Year College, said Langley was going to rooms on the second floor of Tucker around 10 p.m. Monday night asking if residents had voted and who they voted for. "I asked him if he'd gotten permission to go door-to-door and he said he doesn't, 'go by those rules,'" Barber said. "

Just asking for trouble.

4/6/2006 12:04:54 PM

^
yeah there's no question Langley has been a little...ummm...cavalier with his commentary

but given some of what's been passed around Technician's newsroom, he has a point on some issues. regardless, at least if he's going to be disqualified make sure it's for stuff he's actually done instead of fabricated BS.

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"pirate5311: make SGA elections partisan. it will improve voter turnout."

absolutely. they also need to abolish a lot of these asinine campaign regulations.

4/6/2006 12:11:06 PM

It might as well be partisan now. What you have is the Sigma Chi Party versus the Everybody With A Goddamn Brain party. All they need is symbols. For the SCP I recommend a stick figure with a popped collar molesting a passed-out drunk chick while handing out tickets to sporting events illegally. I tried to make that, but I'm still not used to drawing shit on a laptop.

The EWAGBP would have a picture of someone getting getting things based on merit rather than nonfunctional social connections and inherited wealth. I still haven't decided how to depict that graphically, but I'll think of something. Alternatively, it could just have the stick figure from the above hanging from a tree while on fire.

4/6/2006 1:16:15 PM

^ I suggest you get over you inferiority complex now while you still have a good 60 years of your life left. A disproportionate percentage of congress people, senators and presidents have been greek and I believe that trend will continue. Get over it.

4/6/2006 1:24:04 PM

haha I didn't know Diana Douglas was running for something, maybe I should pay more attn to this sort of thing.




Nah, probally not.

4/6/2006 1:32:29 PM

^^ hah. oh, is that why it's so fucked up?

4/6/2006 1:36:48 PM

Quote :

"A disproportionate percentage of congress people, senators and presidents have been greek and I believe that trend will continue."

Yes, they are, and yes, they probably will. What makes that right? What makes it OK for a set of exclusive social clubs to have disproportionate sway over any country, let alone one where their members are in the minority and not of demonstrably higher caliber than others?

Meritocracy strikes me as desirable, but, then again, maybe I'm biased towards not being a fucktard.

This tendency of frat lackeys to assume that all of their opponents suffer from crippling psychological and personality deficiencies is tiring and demonstrates both their fundamental arrogance and their painfully superficial understanding of everything put before them. "If you're not with us, literally the only possibility is that you feel bitter that you're not cool enough for us." Nothing else even occurs to you.

4/6/2006 1:43:53 PM

I think the same can be said for non-greeks as well. Being greek and being smart, compitent and deserving are not mutually-exclusive.

4/6/2006 1:48:09 PM

I suppose not, though one tends to wonder what a smart, competent, and deserving person is doing in greek life to begin with.

I've certainly run into a few frat lackeys that seem to meet those qualities, but on the whole Greek life is a big enough cancer that I must concern myself with combating it and not dallying in particulars.

4/6/2006 2:15:32 PM

i have a hard time backing up greek life as a whole usually


the previous 2 semester's grade reports
http://www.ncsu.edu/greek_life/forms/GradesF05.pdf
http://www.ncsu.edu/greek_life/forms/GradesS05.pdf
all of them are at http://www.ncsu.edu/greek_life/forms/index.html

4/6/2006 2:20:27 PM

Only 8% of the student body is greek afiliated. For such a small number of students with "psychological and personality deficiencies" why even waste your time "combating" them. Won't they just die off...a la academic and social natural selection?

Last semester - all greek average was .02 lower than the all student average. Take out the non-ifc sororities and fraternities at the bottom and I bet the averages will be equal.

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 2:26 PM. Reason : grades]

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 2:27 PM. Reason : mn,m]

4/6/2006 2:23:03 PM

Quote :

"No one cares about student government! NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON..."

4/6/2006 2:26:09 PM

stereotype greek life much?

ignorance is not a good quality btw

4/6/2006 2:33:04 PM

Quote :

"Being greek and being smart, compitent and deserving are not mutually-exclusive."

well done, dear sir

4/6/2006 2:33:08 PM

^^^
you guys all have the wrong quote

Quote :

"NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT STUDENT GOVERNMENT NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON"

4/6/2006 2:43:44 PM

haha, yea that one is better, but see I care so little that I didn't even bother to look up the right quote

4/6/2006 2:50:01 PM

Quote :

"Rabble Rabble Rabble"

4/6/2006 2:50:01 PM

Quote :

"stereotype greek life much?"

The lesson here is that when people hear "stereotype," they automatically think "bad."

Looking at the ratio of decent greeks to pieces of shit, I see a lopsided arrangement. Looking at the things that fraternities and sororities do, publicly and without the need for any interpretation, I see something abhorrent. Or should we all refrain from stereotyping Nazis because Schindler was one, too?

Quote :

"Only 8% of the student body is greek afiliated."

And yet they weild enormous, disproportionate influence. They already occupy how many of the key seats in Student Government? So no, I'm not going to wait for them to die off. Their existence is offensive and their sway is dangerous and both need to be opposed actively.

4/6/2006 3:37:10 PM

Quote :

"Looking at the things that fraternities and sororities do, publicly and without the need for any interpretation, I see something abhorrent."

the truth remains that you do not know anything about what fraternities or sororities actually do. each greek organization is different and can not be compared. you lack any primary experience and your interpretations are based only on stereotypes and from 'what youve heard'. thus, your ignorance is completely justified.

4/6/2006 3:51:06 PM

Your main complaint against greek life seems to be that incompetent greeks get elected and appoint their incompetent fraternity/sorority friends. I assure you that political cronyism neither began nor will end with greeks. It is easiy to accuse greeks of cronyism because of their public affiliation with an organization. Quid Pro Quo transcends greek affiliation my friend.

4/6/2006 3:57:52 PM

people just hate on the greeks...romans, carthaginians...

they need something to hate, because they can't be a part of it.

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

4/6/2006 4:06:05 PM

Things I find ironic:

1. GrumpyGOP being against a "set of exclusive social clubs to have disproportionate sway" when the last three letters of his username are G-O-P. Hypocritical much?

(Note: There will always be someone who's of a higher caliber than you...whether they chose to demonstrate it is the question. Most people don't and you can't blame the person who chooses to demonstrate their caliber for that. Somewhere out there, there's a basketball player better than Michael Jordan, but we'll never know them...do we blame MJ for that?)

2. People on TWW continuing to talk about something they say they care nothing about.

3. I think it's funny that the group-think that people criticize Greeks for happens on TWW everyday (and, quite frankly, isn't nearly as prevasive as you might think among Greek organizations).

4. It's always easier to be against something than for anything. Trust me on this, I'm a Democrat.

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 4:10 PM. Reason : add #4]

4/6/2006 4:06:38 PM

Its perfectly fine not to associate with a greek organization - but I wouldn't go as far as to say that they can't get in. There is a chapter on campus for just about every type of personality - even sexual orientation. Common misconception is that all fraternities are the same. I think the GPA report posted above proves that.

4/6/2006 4:08:40 PM

Quote :

"I assure you that political cronyism neither began nor will end with greeks."

You're right, I guess we should just throw our hands up in the air and surrender. Clearly opposing bad things is pointless since there will always be bad things.

Quote :

"the truth remains that you do not know anything about what fraternities or sororities actually do."

Hmm, well, let's see...been to events...watched your little protest last year...listen to what you say...and observe the people I know who are in frats. The only thing left for me to do is join one. Do I have to join NAMBLA to know I don't like it?

Quote :

"1. GrumpyGOP being against a "set of exclusive social clubs to have disproportionate sway" when the last three letters of his username are G-O-P. Hypocritical much?"

Talk about being blinded by stereotype.

There are vast and influential segments of the Republican party that I hate far more bitterly than I do fraternities. It's unfortunate that so many of these elements also exist in your party as well.

Quote :

"Somewhere out there, there's a basketball player better than Michael Jordan, but we'll never know them...do we blame MJ for that?"

No, but we also don't just throw up our hands and say, "Well, we'll never find the best, so we might as well settle for anything...hey, I know, to make our life easier, let's just fill the NBA with country club members."

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"It's always easier to be against something than for anything."

How convenient, I manage to do both.

I am against cronyism, elitism, and corruption.

I am for meritocracy, egalitarianism, and transparent fairness.

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"There is a chapter on campus for just about every type of personality - even sexual orientation."

True, but I think that this starts to get into an area of semantics. There are fraternities that in virtually no way resemble frats. One is mainstream, the other is specialized and far less influention. Guess which one I'm concerned with?

4/6/2006 4:37:40 PM

I'm a fan of not talking about things I have no direct knowledge about. AKA if you're not Greek, don't bash the Greek system.

But then again, that's just me and my manners...can't expect that from everyone.

4/6/2006 4:53:23 PM

OK, so your manners, then, would dictate that you not talk shit about something you're not involved in.

I guess Nazis, Commies, NAMBLA members, terrorists, etc are all off limits.

4/6/2006 4:57:04 PM

Quote :

"GrumpyGOP: No, but we also don't just throw up our hands and say, "Well, we'll never find the best, so we might as well settle for anything...""

Right...except you can't win elections with candidates who aren't in the race.

4/6/2006 5:02:32 PM

I'm honestly not sure where you're going there.

4/6/2006 6:07:44 PM

Quote :

"NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT STUDENT GOVERNMENT NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON"

which is why it should be partisan. HELL I'D SIGN UP FOR A CLASS TO VOTE.

4/6/2006 6:10:21 PM

Quote :

"GrumpyGOP: I'm honestly not sure where you're going there."

So...I used to be a Student Senator and while there I championed tuition and fee issues. Was there someone that could have done a better job than me? Probably so, but at the end of the day, there were just a handful of people willing to make the commitment, so what do you do? Continue to bitch about the people involved or try OR shape the people that you do have into representing students in the positive way? I choose the second, you seem content with the first.

Do I wish that Student Government was more representative of the entire Student Body? Absolutely (I say this not being a student, of course). But, I also know the time commitment that goes into being a good representative and most people can't fulfill that...so, you work with what you got.

4/6/2006 6:48:56 PM

Quote :

"I used to be a Student Senator and while there I championed tuition and fee issues"

Swell job you did too...

By the way is there ANY elected student who ISN'T a 'champion' of tuition and fees?

4/6/2006 8:05:57 PM

Quote :

"OK, so your manners, then, would dictate that you not talk shit about something you're not involved in. I guess Nazis, Commies, NAMBLA members, terrorists, etc are all off limits."

holy mother of God ... you just made such a great comparison


and once again, you dont know shit about what fraternities and sororities really do, so unless you are actually a member of one, save your energy and stfu

4/6/2006 8:22:13 PM

^Just because someone is not in a frat does not mean they are necessarily clueless about what goes on. I have friends that are/were in frats here, and I think I have a pretty good idea. That being said, I don't really see what the big gripe is. It's just like joining a club, people join clubs all the time.

Also, if

Quote :

""NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT STUDENT GOVERNMENT NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON""

Then why do people care if it is stocked with frat guys. Personally, I couldn't care less who is elected, I am here to get my degree and move on. The only possible thing the Student Government could do for me is lower tuition and I seriously doubt they have the power to do that. So I say, if some people want to play government, have at it.

4/6/2006 9:53:59 PM

Quote :

" Swell job you did too..."

Nat-Dug DID do a lot - from arguing tooth and nail against every increase she thought was unjust at the University level to leading the formation of ASG to lobby downtown at the State Capitol, she DID fight tuition increases.


By the way is there ANY elected student who ISN'T a 'champion' of tuition and fees?

Quote :

"The Student Chief justice, UAB reps, Student Centers, need I go on? There are several student representatives who don't care about tuition and fees as much as she did and don't fight against them."

4/6/2006 9:56:05 PM

Langley 38%
Quick 25%
C Williams 17%
Blanton 4%

4/6/2006 11:32:38 PM

does anybody know the voter turnout?

4/7/2006 12:11:01 AM

~6400

4/7/2006 12:13:42 AM

basically illustrating that the "OMG the only reason we had high turnout was because of The Pirate Captain!!1" mantra was bullshit...

4/7/2006 1:47:52 AM

oh, and [set]

4/7/2006 2:22:21 AM