you need to get the dog's balls chopped off and leave the breeding to good old fashioned puppy mills who know what they are doing.

5/1/2006 6:41:16 PM

5/1/2006 6:45:02 PM

^^^you're takin that totally out of context. I said that meaning, at congs particular time/health, surgery was optional. Maybe I used the wrong wordage in "toughing it out". Becuase right now, he isn't suffering, unless he has some freakish high pain tolerance, nontheless toughing anything out.

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"k so what happens if the intestines and such that herniated suddenly become strangulated and necrotic"

Im gonna rush him to the ER. Its not like im gonna sit there and laugh while he's havin a fuckin seizure on my lawn!!I think im prepared enough to deal with that situation. lets just hope that dosn't happen.
He is a good dog, and he has good DNA. I plan on breeding him soon to continue his genes, and keeping some offspring, just in case he does kick the bucket. However, I dont think this problem is hereditary tho'

[Edited on May 1, 2006 at 6:49 PM. Reason : .]

5/1/2006 6:47:54 PM

dear christ you people are douches

the dog is fine. Just because there is a minor problem doesn't mean it needs operated on.

Often times going under the knife is worse in the long run.

Besides many people have reasons for not neutering their animals.

the argument that it will causes cancer is bullshit.

that is like making the statement that ever non-castrated male in america will develop testicular cancer.

A lot of dogs should not be neutered, but you assholes think they should be

no questions asked

just neutered.

take your high and mighty bullshit else where.

5/1/2006 6:48:05 PM

just b/c a dog has "good genes" doesn't mean you should breed your dog. you might have worded it wrong but it sounded like you just didn't care. I would neuter him b/c hernias are genetic. talk to http://www.snap-nc.org (might be .com) about getting him neutered for real cheap. i hope he is ok.

5/1/2006 7:37:32 PM

this very well could be a situation in which the hernia is not genetic. I know from my personal experience that neutering my dog actually caused more physical harm to him them leaving him intact.

5/1/2006 7:50:00 PM

And thats how I feel about it^

neutering is not the answer all the time.

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"just b/c a dog has "good genes" doesn't mean you should breed your dog"

you def wouldn't breed your dog if he had bad genes!!He has good posture, coat, and distinct features, which would prolly sell.

[Edited on May 1, 2006 at 7:58 PM. Reason : .]

5/1/2006 7:58:31 PM

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"He is a good dog, and he has good DNA."

5/1/2006 8:09:21 PM

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"dear christ you people are douches the dog is fine. Just because there is a minor problem doesn't mean it needs operated on. Often times going under the knife is worse in the long run. Besides many people have reasons for not neutering their animals. the argument that it will causes cancer is bullshit. that is like making the statement that ever non-castrated male in america will develop testicular cancer. A lot of dogs should not be neutered, but you assholes think they should be no questions asked just neutered. take your high and mighty bullshit else where."

A chance of testicular cancer is avoided and benign prostatic hyperplasia (swollen prostate, which is 100% certain to happen) is avoided as well as other prostate diseases. If you don't neuter your dog it will develop BPH and you will have to have it neutered then, which will probably cost more money, be more traumatic, and if not caught in time will be irreversible and cause severe complications and potentially death. Add on that it will reduce aggresiveness, marking and mounting tendencies, and helping to control the already over-burdened animal population. Also, getting a pet neutered is not exactly "going under the knife"... its pretty damn simple and cheap.

If you don't spay your pet before its first cycle then you are basically giving it cancer (breast specifically but uterine and ovarian too). Near 100% chance of development in non-spayed pets.

5/2/2006 12:19:06 AM

i thought you said you picked him up at a yard sale for $25...
i'm thinking that means the dog doesnt come from pedigree lines, with any titles attached to it. assume no papers, non AKC registered..
how does that translate into good genes?

5/2/2006 12:19:47 AM

Good genes?

Purebred dogs(outside of maybe hounds) tend to have crappy genes and more physical defects.

5/2/2006 12:20:47 AM

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"A chance of testicular cancer is avoided and benign prostatic hyperplasia (swollen prostate, which is 100% certain to happen) is avoided as well as other prostate diseases."

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"If you don't neuter your dog it will develop BPH and you will have to have it neutered then,"

simply not true. Ive pwnt dogs in the past, and this has NEVER happened.

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"how does that translate into good genes?"

by your logic, an animal cant have good genes unless its by a pedigree?!!? Highly debatable, highly.

5/2/2006 12:30:59 AM

Just caught this thread, and for what it is worth, my dog is not nutered and they are clydesdale-ish.

That is one of the reasons why I let his coat grow out.

Other animals such as rats and squirels are even more disproportional.

5/2/2006 12:33:46 AM

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"Quote : "A chance of testicular cancer is avoided and benign prostatic hyperplasia (swollen prostate, which is 100% certain to happen) is avoided as well as other prostate diseases." Quote : "If you don't neuter your dog it will develop BPH and you will have to have it neutered then," simply not true. Ive pwnt dogs in the past, and this has NEVER happened."

I don't think you understand. If you neuter your dog there is ZERO chance of testicular cancer, which is relatively common in dogs. BPH will most definitely happen in dogs that you don't neuter (it exists in all intact dogs to some degree after age 5). The gradual increase in discomfort is something you aren't going to notice because your dog doesn't talk and it would take you noticing it when it gets its worst. Based upon what I've seen you say so far it wouldn't surprise me that your animals were symptomatic but you just didn't pay attention (how often do you go look in the grass to see if your dog has blood in its urine?) or their shitty garage sale puppy mill genes brought about its demise before the BPH became a serious factor. Look it up if you don't belive the BPH bit.

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"by your logic, an animal cant have good genes unless its by a pedigree?!!? Highly debatable, highly."

You don't seem to understand how certified breeding works. All breeds suffer from a wide range of varying genetic disorders, like hip dysplasia. Quality breeders get their dogs screened for these disorders and can in essence "certify" their dogs of good pedigree to be fee from these terrible diseases that are painful, traumatic, and expensive to deal with. Puppy mills have high occurence of these genetic disorders because they don't perform the expensive screening tests and they don't take care in how they breed (excessive inbreeding is how most the these problems have aoccured and is why you see it so often in the breeds like Labs).

Oh and just to reiterate. Be prepared for some very expensive issues with your Dachshund. Because of the build they were bred into their backs take serious abuse and eventually they rupture disks in their spine, causing severe pain and usually some degree of paralysis. My wife recently had her Neurology rotation in clinics and literally like half of their cases were dachshunds. On the flipside, you could have a conversation-piece dog...


[Edited on May 2, 2006 at 1:21 AM. Reason : dach]

5/2/2006 1:15:59 AM

^that's why you don't go to puppy mills

furthermore, with the struggle we had to go through with my current dogs neutering, I do not believe I will neuter another dog.

Also, in my dogs that were not neutered none of them have ever developed testicular cancer or had any problems.

Quit your scare tactics.

5/2/2006 1:20:20 AM

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"^that's why you don't go to puppy mills"

Puppy mills and careless owners who have "happy accidents"... $25 garage sale puppies are not exactly prime pickings.

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"furthermore, with the struggle we had to go through with my current dogs neutering, I do not believe I will neuter another dog."

What struggle did you have with neutering? Its about the least complicated thing you could have done to your dog.

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"Also, in my dogs that were not neutered none of them have ever developed testicular cancer or had any problems. Quit your scare tactics."

That you know of... Dogs don't usuallly exhibit many signs of pain. Fromt he stories I have heard its pretty amazing what dogs will not illustrate when there ends up being a very serious problem that most definitely is causing pain. There is not much to convey when it hurts when the dog is trying to take a shit or bleeding out its dick. Look, its not a scare tactic if statistics pretty much conclusively prove the scenario. Go PubMed some vet journals or something.

5/2/2006 1:27:35 AM

let's see, we basically had to have him neutered twice

had an infection which caused a third neutering


my other dogs have all lived to be well into their late teens with one living to be as old as 18.

so fuck off.

and a puppy mill isn't exactly little puppy accidents.

so get off my balls

and neutering your dog is a very american thing.

europe tends to look down on it..

[Edited on May 2, 2006 at 1:46 AM. Reason : .]

5/2/2006 1:45:11 AM

you picked a shitty vet.

outliers.

puppy mills and puppy accidents yield similar results.

I'm for cutting your balls off too.

they also don't shower in Europe.

5/2/2006 1:53:14 AM

It wasn't the vets fault. You sit there on your high and mightly pedistal and assume castration is the best bet. It isn't.

let's examine some facts here

in the cases of intact males the testicular cancer they develop is Perianal adenomas, which is benign and treated via castration

also, castrating a dog leads to the dog becoming overly tall since the growth plates have not had time to set and the dog will also lack a breadth of chest. combined together form orthopedic problems.

Furthermore, almost all malignant prostate cancers develop in castrated dogs. Basically you are trading the risk of testicular cancer (easily treated) with a more severe case of prostate cancer. Good job.

now get off my nuts

[Edited on May 2, 2006 at 2:04 AM. Reason : btw you are confusing prostatitis with prostate cancer.]


Also, I want you to tell a weimaraner to not do anything active for 5 days after surgery. Won't happen. Especially one with an extremely high pain tolerance.

[Edited on May 2, 2006 at 2:15 AM. Reason : .]

5/2/2006 2:03:57 AM

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"It wasn't the vets fault. You sit there on your high and mightly pedistal and assume castration is the best bet. It isn't."

Considering how simple a neuter is I would say the vet or the owner fucked up. And yes, neutering is the best bet unless selective breeding is a definite plan.

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"let's examine some facts here in the cases of intact males the testicular cancer they develop is Perianal adenomas, which is benign and treated via castration"

That is not testicular cancer. Perianal adenomas are non-cancerous tumors in skin glands around the rectum. Yes, they are benign but they can also develop as perianal adenocarcinomas which are obviously malignant. Putting your dog through the pain and discomfort of the condition as well as castration at a later point just is not worth it, not to mention compounding complications that could arise.

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"also, castrating a dog leads to the dog becoming overly tall since the growth plates have not had time to set and the dog will also lack a breadth of chest. combined together form orthopedic problems."

That was the thought from a study back in 1991 but further reserach has changed the accepted opinion on that. Just read this summary of an article covering this very issue in the Journal of Reproduction and Fertility: "This review discusses early-age neutering in the United States, and includes the review of scientific studies that have evaluated this procedure in puppies and kittens. Early-age neutering does not stunt growth in dogs or cats (a once-held belief), but may alter metabolic rates in cats. The anaesthetic and surgical procedures are apparently safe for young puppies and kittens; morbidity is lower and recovery is faster than in adult animals. To date, adverse side effects are apparently no greater in animals neutered at early ages (7 weeks) than in those neutered at the conventional age (7 months)." Besides if this is really a concern for you then you just wait a couple months before the neutering. A pup at 7 months still has a lower morbidity rate and a faster recovery time from castration than a mature who is having it done (like to combat BPH).

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"Furthermore, almost all malignant prostate cancers develop in castrated dogs. Basically you are trading the risk of testicular cancer (easily treated) with a more severe case of prostate cancer. Good job."

Yes, there are two studies that suggest an increase in perianal adenocarcinomasbut the flip side suggests otherwise. The neutering does not initiate the occurence of PCA simply that the growth rate/condition of the tumor is more favorable. If I am not mistaken the current consensus is that neuterings effect on prostate cancer is a wash because of too many conflicting studies and variance in statistics.

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"btw you are confusing prostatitis with prostate cancer"

I don't believe I ever said anything about prostate cancer and I believe you are the one confusing what condition is what.

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"Also, I want you to tell a weimaraner to not do anything active for 5 days after surgery. Won't happen. Especially one with an extremely high pain tolerance."

We rescued a hound/terrier mix that was heartworm positive. We had to keep the dog inactive for 2 months so your 5 days of limiting activity is a drop in the bucket. I hope you use heartworm prevention.

5/2/2006 11:22:06 AM

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"Be prepared for some very expensive issues with your Dachshund."

Jesus Christ this thread has gone rabbitt!! My dog has big nutts!!! thats it. Not life life threatening nutts, just above average sized nutts.

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"There is not much to convey when it hurts when the dog is trying to take a shit or bleeding out its dick"

See what the hell I mean, now this is totally uncalled for. Is there really a need for such morbid messages? Must be a scare tactic or you're really conveying mixed messages. What the hell is your boggle dude?

5/2/2006 11:36:07 AM

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"We had to keep the dog inactive for 2 months so your 5 days of limiting activity is a drop in the bucket. I hope you use heartworm prevention."

because I don't believe in neutering I must not believe in other preventative measures.

and talk about apples to oranges.

5/2/2006 11:53:55 AM

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"Jesus Christ this thread has gone rabbitt!!"

???

5/2/2006 12:07:30 PM

padowack

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"this kind of hernia can/will develope into a tumor which can be severe/deadly. surgical procedures are 2500$ plus additional fees "

padowack

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" Not life life threatening nutts, just above average sized nutts. "

i would say this hernia and the problems your dog has and will face due to your neglect are indeed life threatening

5/2/2006 12:28:23 PM

hernia isn't life threatening.

if the vet said to not worry about it, then who are you to tell him what to do?

5/2/2006 1:16:43 PM

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"Jesus Christ this thread has gone rabbitt!! My dog has big nutts!!! thats it. Not life life threatening nutts, just above average sized nutts."

I was not referring to the "nutts" issue with that statement. Just giving you a heads up on the sonal problems about Dachsunds in case you didn't know what may lie ahead.

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"See what the hell I mean, now this is totally uncalled for. Is there really a need for such morbid messages? Must be a scare tactic or you're really conveying mixed messages. What the hell is your boggle dude?"

Its not a scare tactic... bloody urine is a symptom (though by that time its usually well progressed and pretty much a prostate palpation is during a general physical is whats going to catch it).

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"because I don't believe in neutering I must not believe in other preventative measures. and talk about apples to oranges."

I never made that extrapolation. You tried to claim not being able to keep a weimer inactive for 5 days was a strong deterrent for neutering. I simply commented that its not nearly that difficult and have done significantly longer with just as rambunctious of a dog... you do what you have to do. From the pet threads we've seen on here I am not exactly surprised anymore at how many students don't use heartworm prevention on their dogs (even though in NC its pretty much 100% infection rate in less than a year for a dog that is not on heartworm prevention).

5/2/2006 1:22:17 PM

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"hernia isn't life threatening. if the vet said to not worry about it, then who are you to tell him what to do?"

The vet did not tell him "not to worry about it," he said it wasn't a dire situation yet but that if it doesn't self-correct that it most definitely could be...

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"But this kind of hernia can/will develope into a tumor which can be severe/deadly. surgical procedures are 2500$ plus additional fees"

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"Plus, the doctor said he wasn't in vital health. This could potentially develope into a vital matter."

Oh and looking back over the thread I saw padowack ask about accupuncture. Well, the best thing I've heard about accupncture in animals is for pain relief... this is good and bad news in your case though. Relieving the pain does not mean the condition has reversed. Its sort of like taking pain killers so you can continue to run on an injury... you often end up making things worse. The pain relief factor is definitely there (a dog doesn't have the capacity to respond to a placebo effect) but you definitely would want to keep the dog under close veterinary supervision while doing it to be sure the dog isn't simply coping instead of getting better. So you could consider a vet with hollistic options (like Bowman) that could offer the accupuncture pain relief but still have the capacity to monitor the progression of the hernia.

[Edited on May 2, 2006 at 1:32 PM. Reason : .]

5/2/2006 1:30:53 PM

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"bloody urine is a symptom"

The way you described that sounded more like a scene from Hellraiser. I know, ive dealt with animals with ailment/symptoms of that nature before ie parvo. The accupuncture was just a suggestion. There are other methods believe me. The hernia I think comes from him being very aggressive and straining/ tryn to hump things randomly.

But, you people really need to stop running off and neutering dogs. Thats not always the answer, or the best preventative measure.

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"I am not exactly surprised anymore at how many students don't use heartworm prevention on their dogs"

Are you kidding me? Ive known how to do that since I was 4 yrs old. Thats like a priority with dogs. you people need to stop making it seem like im neglecting this animal.

5/2/2006 2:28:39 PM

some dogs will experience bloody urine from just being in contact with a female in heat. Nothing to worry about.

5/2/2006 4:07:39 PM

Caution: This thread has gone rabbitt

[Edited on May 2, 2006 at 4:56 PM. Reason : HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHAAHA]

5/2/2006 4:55:52 PM

It's one thing to tell someone they should drop $2500 to get surgery for their $25 dog...but quite another to be the one who is spending that money. If you people are SO concerned for the big-balled dog, why don't YOU just pay for his surgery?

5/2/2006 6:26:58 PM

1. i would have had it fixed long ago
2. it's no one but the owner's responsibility
3. if it was MY dog, i would throw down the money

don't buy a dog just because you can get a good deal. if this problem goes away, the dog will still have many other health problems, hopefully the owner won't be so stingy those times.

5/2/2006 7:24:32 PM

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"1. i would have had it fixed long ago"

I just noticed this problem. I dont walk around staring at my dogs nutts everyday.

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"3. if it was MY dog, i would throw down the money "

what part dont you understand. I DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY. YO NO TENGO DINERO. NON HO INDOSSATO HA IL DENARO.

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"don't buy a dog just because you can get a good dea"

why not buy a dog if its a "good deal"?? why not buy anything if its a "good deal"???

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"if this problem goes away, the dog will still have many other health problems,"

ok, so its mandatory that every dog has health problem. HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS. ARE YOU VET?

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"hopefully the owner won't be so stingy those times."

I just love being judged when its clear that I dont have the resources ie $ but i guess all broke people are stingy people who dont have health care/insurance are stingy too

if this dog gets sick and dies...then oh well, the grim reaper dosn't take rain checks. Ill just have his organs/cadaver donated to science or something, so he wont go to waste. And he ultimately serve a good purpose. ill just live with one of his offspring as a replacement.

[Edited on May 2, 2006 at 7:43 PM. Reason : .]

5/2/2006 7:37:49 PM

BWN?

5/2/2006 7:45:02 PM

and the significance of that is??

5/2/2006 8:05:55 PM

Seems better for someone to buy a dog and take care of it (barring any absurd expenses that the owner cannot handle), than to let the dog run the risk of being put to sleep or some such in a shelter. There are SO many animals that need homes, and I think people shouldn't avoid getting a pet just because it MIGHT end up needing some surgery....and if someone cares enough to take a pet into their home, they should not be made to feel terribly guilty if they simply can NOT afford expensive surgery.

Hell, sometimes people can't afford what they or their kids need. My parents, who list me as a dependent, could not afford my important $1600 oral surgery last summer, and I had to pay part of it (causing me to have to save up a little longer to buy my car). Am I angry that they chose to have a child even though they wouldn't be able to pay for her every necessity? No. I'm glad they've taken care of me to the best of their abilities all these years and I understand that people are not always ready for extra expenses.

[Edited on May 2, 2006 at 9:09 PM. Reason : punctuation]

5/2/2006 9:08:33 PM

It's called credit. Use it.

5/3/2006 2:31:55 AM

i wonder how many homeless dogs could be saved for $2500... or neutered and released

5/3/2006 3:23:06 AM