Two gook for skool

2/6/2013 10:50:31 PM

Need an episode of Dave chappelle's Is it racist?"

2/6/2013 10:51:47 PM

Yo Dawgs!!

We are proud to announce the return of Kappa Sigma Black Prime this Friday!

We look forward to having J'Marcus, Laquisha, D'ontay, and Sha-nay-nay's friends over for some gin and juice.

Word
-the brothaz of Kappa Sigma


[No Looting Beers]

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this is offensive but not racist, I think I've got it.

2/6/2013 11:11:40 PM

meh

if you were like

"Yo dawgs, we're having a black party this Friday, wear your baggy jeans and bring your 40 ounces"



it'd be racist, but it wouldn't be anything like a black-face slavery party


[Edited on February 6, 2013 at 11:16 PM. Reason : i think the duke party idea is offensive, but you cant equate Slavery to 'yo sup']

2/6/2013 11:14:41 PM

^^ actually, that one might be racist, given the statement that black people are likely to be looters

2/6/2013 11:18:10 PM

actually, that one might be racist, given the implication that black asian people are likely to be looters awful at english

2/6/2013 11:21:25 PM

not so much. in the looting one, you are specifically making the pejorative assumption that black people steal. Making fun of a speech pattern is not comparable to accusing someone of being a criminal. Neither one is worthy of praise, mind you, but there is a difference.

2/6/2013 11:25:41 PM

Auuggh! All ye lads and Bonnie lasses come tae th' Scottish party this Saturday! Wear ye best Tartan as we eat Haggis and drink whisky all night! Dinnae ferget tae bring a tenner tae pay for ye cover, ye wee bastards!




OMG SO RACIST

2/6/2013 11:37:51 PM

i think a line can be drawn between insensitivity and outright racism, but it's a blurry one.

i feel like "racism" has a connotation of superiority...that is, refusing to hire a white person over an asian because they make better employees as a whole, or making comments of that nature. making fun of accents and common stereotypes seems more insensitive than racist, because having an accent and having slanted eyes isn't necessarily a "bad" thing... it's stereotyping.

i think it was a dumb way to portray the party, and it's clear why they pissed some people off, but i doubt the hosts actually dislike asian people.

2/6/2013 11:45:48 PM

Obviously racially insensitive, and there was an above-average level of racist involved in the planning.

Part of what makes this "newsworthy" is that it's duke (if it were another school, people would expect this gross level of ignorance). I guess Duke has enough legacy and silver-spoon admitted that this type of sentiment can flourish there.

2/7/2013 12:02:44 AM

Realistically, asians, and any minority in America, are going to see so much racism in their lifetime they're not going to be able to do anything about it (and most likely, these asians have brushed off plenty of racial insensitivity already).

They're lucky they can get some vengeance in this case, because it'll be few and far between once they leave college.

2/7/2013 12:11:45 AM

people need to lay off stuff like this or they may see another Cho Seung-Hui type situation.

Also, of course it's racist if they have #racistrager in the body of the email

2/7/2013 12:20:06 AM

^ are you joking? that's most likely the person who added the markups to that image.

Maybe open your eyes some more...

2/7/2013 12:22:30 AM

i would prefer to call it a "Virginia Tech type situation" and not give any name recognition to the dead coward

2/7/2013 12:23:39 AM

I swear, you white crackers would gladly be plantation owners back in the day with your "it's not racist if I don't want to hang out with asians" BS

2/7/2013 12:24:02 AM

I guess it's acceptable to hate on the model minority

[Edited on February 7, 2013 at 12:26 AM. Reason : adsf]

2/7/2013 12:26:08 AM

Quote :

"nope. it's just insensitive."

Let me just clarify what burro is getting at. First, he is technically correct. Racism is defined as some type of treatment that is prejudicial to a certain race. Saying "I don't want to hang out wiht black people" or cracking asian jokes is bigoted and ignorant. But this technical definition is used out of context, largely by the white establishment, to make it sound and appear like you are not doing anything wrong. Which is a total joke.

But this is what we have come to expect from people that pride themselves on manners and hospitality while at the same time acting like evil pieces of shit: they will just make the rules sound like everything is fine.

[Edited on February 7, 2013 at 12:36 AM. Reason : s]

2/7/2013 12:34:50 AM

There's also some severe ignorance involved in that e-mail...

The problem with mixing up "l" and "r" is AFAIK restricted to the Japanese, because it (unlike most languages, including Mandarin and Korean) has only one sound that is both similar to an approximant (a sound like our semivowels y and w, our ordinary approximant r, and our lateral approximant l, sounded without turbulence and usually required to be next to a vowel) and alveolar (articulated on that ridge just behind the teeth, like our t, d, s, z, n, l, and r); this sound (alveolar flap) is a bit like "one trill" of the "trilled r" of most European languages, and it actually also exists in English as a sort of "lazy d or t" like how most people say the ts in "butter" or the ds in "ladder."

When native speakers of Japanese who don't know much of any other language borrow foreign words (usually from English), they map the phonology of the original language as well as possible into their own, like adding vowel sounds to "break" to make "bureki" because the only consonant sound that can end a syllable is "n"; similarly, their closest sound to our "r" and "l" is that alveolar flap, rendered in romaji (a system of writing Japanese with English letters) as "r" (in short, our "r" and "l" are spoken as "their r").

A problem shows up when people who only know Japanese write things for the outside world using those borrowed foreign words: Sometimes they can't remember whether a particular use of "r" originally came from an "l" or actually was an "r" to start with.
Usually IIRC they err on the side of using "r" when it was originally "l" as in the prototype PS3 controller saying "SERECT" or some old video games saying "CONGRATURATION" but sometimes they overcorrect and use an "l" as in the enemy "Mr. Flosty" from Kirby & the Amazing Mirror.
The strange thing about the "HERRO" stereotype is that the way in which "hello" would sound in Japanese phonology is more like "heddo" rather than "swapping r for l"...
(Also we probably sound weird to them too, like their "u" is unrounded while ours is rounded, and we use all those strange central vowels that they don't, like the short i, the schwa, and the "ur" sound.)


Anyway, both Chinese and Korean character-sets (respectively hanzi and hangeul) have (inaccurate) romanizations that include "r" for some characters and "l" for others; this indicates that when they import words from European languages with "r" and "l" in them, there won't be any confusion when they use those words in writings for the outside world, so associating things like "herro" and "ronery" with non-Japanese East Asians (even our old enemy Kim Jong-Il) smacks of extreme ignorance (and Team America: World Police showed even more ignorance by having the character use English rs there, so even if the character were Japanese, the sound would be wrong...and you'd think that Trey Parker of all people would know better).

There are plenty of other oddities that don't normally get picked up by the bigots, like Chinese uses vowel tone to distinguish different types of vowels, and English doesn't (in short, denotation vs. connotation), so when Chinese immigrants speak English, AFAIK they think "Why bother changing tone now?" and therefore speak in a monotone; also it has no voiced plosives (like b, d, and g) and considers aspiration following a plosive to be important, so most English speakers, even in the media, probably sound like idiots to the Chinese when they mangle the name of their capital city (whether written in the old Wade-Giles way as "Peking" or the new Hanyu Pinyin way as "Beijing" you will get it wrong in subtle ways if you try to say it as an English word...and it's really hard to get right).

[Edited on February 7, 2013 at 1:19 AM. Reason : BanjoMan wins this thread.

2/7/2013 1:18:41 AM

Quote :

"are Hawaiians offended by luau parties?"

Probably, yes.

Quote :

"are Greeks offended by toga parties?"

The toga is traditionally Roman, not Greek.

Quote :

"are Irish offended by keg parties?"

Only the ones they're not invited to.

2/7/2013 1:36:39 AM

you internet fucks are so funny. I must create one of you to have in my house at all times.

2/7/2013 1:42:54 AM

Quote :

"so what's the line between racially-insensitive and racist?"

Quote :

"That line is called a hyphen."

lol, that was good.

2/7/2013 9:27:22 AM

racism wouldn't be an issue if people would just stop complaining about racism.

2/7/2013 9:30:20 AM

the only people who are racists are people who call other people racists. if they quit calling people racists, nobody would be racists.

2/7/2013 9:31:32 AM

There's sure to be some great comments on the issue here:

http://www.wral.com/share/page/1896337/?id=12072299

2/7/2013 10:46:02 AM

i'll sort of take the opposite approach.

I think it certainly was a bit racist, but not all that offensive.


My opinion is that comparing this or other slightly racist humor with racism against black people is horribly illogical in the context of history.

The magnitude of racism, interpersonal, legal, and institutional, directed at black people for centuries is so far beyond what other races/ethnicities have endured that it's a silly comparison.

Trying to compare a blackface/minstrel themed party to one that makes fun of asian accents is stupid.

Is it in bad taste? sure. Is it funny? possibly.

should asians get all butthurt about this? According to Asian expert, High Expectations Father,

"NO. GO BACK TO RIBRARY TO STUDY FOR MCAT"

2/7/2013 11:14:44 AM

in before jews laugh at you.

2/7/2013 11:24:16 AM

that's not even related to the discussion. this isn't a "what race has been shit on the most" discussion. it was a very specific counterpoint.

2/7/2013 11:26:55 AM

2/7/2013 11:51:36 AM

Lol at this thread. And I'm not surprised at all this happened at Duke. Guido kids probably never saw an Asian person IRL before leaving their gated community in Jersey.

2/7/2013 12:12:23 PM

Chapter just got reinstated on campus too. LOL.

http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/kappa-sigma-return-campus

2/7/2013 2:24:42 PM

The issue here is that people today are raised to be thin skinned cry babies that can't handle someone making light of ethnic stereotypes. I swear some people would shit themselves if they operated outside of their insulated PC lifestyles.

2/7/2013 2:54:49 PM

Quote :

"My opinion is that comparing this or other slightly racist humor with racism against black people is horribly illogical in the context of history. The magnitude of racism, interpersonal, legal, and institutional, directed at black people for centuries is so far beyond what other races/ethnicities have endured that it's a silly comparison. Trying to compare a blackface/minstrel themed party to one that makes fun of asian accents is stupid."

2/7/2013 2:56:41 PM

A non-frat house should throw a frat-themed party, and the invitation should focus on the fact that most frat brothers homosexually experiment with each other while they're in college

[Edited on February 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM. Reason : ]

2/7/2013 3:05:22 PM

ass play FTW

2/7/2013 3:18:25 PM

It makes sense that a TKE criticizes people for not having a thick skin. If you can stick it out in TKE with everyone laughing at your cargo shorts and tank tops, you're gonna have a pretty thick skin yourself. I mean, everyone makes fun of TKE's.

2/7/2013 3:22:52 PM

bingo

2/7/2013 4:52:20 PM

Quote :

"The issue here is that people today are raised to be thin skinned cry babies that can't handle someone making light of ethnic stereotypes. I swear some people would shit themselves if they operated outside of their insulated PC lifestyles. "

LOL

So you think you have a good feeling for what these asians DID let slide before complaining about this party?

You're ignorant if you think this was the first incident of prejudice they faced before complaining to the powers that be.

2/7/2013 4:58:21 PM

I don't think the party was racist. Maybe moreso perpetuating a stereotype.

2/7/2013 5:17:09 PM

Back in summer 08, there's a Chinese female student supporting Tibet got attack by other Chineses. And she applied refugee protection.

2/7/2013 5:57:42 PM

ok so let me get one last clarification.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Os89iN0cQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH4ivOyO0PQ

neither of these are racist because there's no theme of superiority (other than the Yosimite/Bugs scene), only honest stereotypes.

2/7/2013 6:06:18 PM

I thought it was only racist if white people made fun of black people.

2/9/2013 9:46:48 AM