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LET'S PUMP SOME LIFE BACK INTO THIS BEACHBODY THREAD AND KICKSTART LOSING SOME WEIGHT

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4/3/2013 1:41:53 PM

Let's get some nutritional facts straight

sugar is the enemy and will wreck your weight loss goals faster than calories, fat or carbs

There is no Reccommended Daily serving of sugar, you don't need it

Sugar from fruits in their natural state (not concentrate) is okay, in small portions



Not all carbs are bad

try to get your carbs from fresh fruits and vegetables, mainly those containing fiber

the best time to eat carbs is after a workout



Protein

get it from lean cuts of meat, fish and nuts



Fats

Not all fats are bad

the fat ice cream is different from the fats in fish and nuts

your body needs fat to survive




The quality of your food is more important than the quantity

eat good quality foods and you don't have to worry about counting calories


correct me if I'm wrong, or add to it, please.

thx

4/3/2013 1:52:14 PM

Just a little clarification... Sugar = carbs.

Carbs are not what make you fat. Fat makes you fat, when it's accompanied by carbs. This only happens when you are in a caloric surplus.

Cutting out sugary (carb based foods, e.g. grains, starches) will dramatically limit food choices. Narrowing selection down to more calorically sparse foods, this is a good thing. However, you can still get fat or stop weightloss by eating too much 'good' food.

If you are planning on being very active, some carb intake is critical. Especially if you want to put on some muscle mass.

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^^ That diet game seems like it could be easily gamed... especially if you know how to manipulate water retention.

[Edited on April 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ;]

4/3/2013 2:37:30 PM

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From what I've read, if something looks odd to them in the first pic, like obvious water retention vs the 2nd pic they will call it out

Of course, if someone on TWW has such sad values that they will lie or cheat for a diet game then that's just sad

I'm hoping they won't and will want to join me for this 4 week challenge!

4/3/2013 2:53:23 PM

Yeah one of the biggest misconceptions is simple carbs like bread or pasta don't count as "sugar". I run a good bit and have been able to get plenty of carbs from sweet potatos, lots of squash, and plenty of vegetables and some fruits. One of the biggest misconceptions is that carbs <> vegetables. You can still get plenty of carbs from root vegetables and fruits. If you were on a true "low carb" diet you would have to cut out of good bit of vegetables (sweet potatoes, squash, etc) and fruits (bananas, mangos, grapes, etc).

4/3/2013 2:57:41 PM

So how do you get into fat burning mode and not give into cravings?

I already strength train 4 times a week, mornings before work

But I'm still struggling with nutrition and cravings.

I've been trying to be no carb 3 days, then one day of light carbs, but that only lasted about a month before I just gave into cravings and am like, it will be okay to have just a little.

but that became every afternoon for 4 days straight.

I'm either all protein for 2 meals a day, or I feel like I should not eat for a whole day.

4/3/2013 2:58:32 PM

I'll do a dietbet if face does it.

4/3/2013 3:01:33 PM

oh and the pictures you use to verify stay between you and the dietbet verification team. No wolfwebbers see them unless you choose to share.

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"Who sees my photos and weight? Your photos are never posted or revealed, not even to other players. They are reviewed confidentially by DietBet's referees and then deleted. You control whether or not other players see your weight. By default your weight is hidden, but you can change this in your Account Settings. "

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4/3/2013 5:00:49 PM

I may be in. Do we PM you an e-mail address or do we create a profile on Dietbet and send you the username?

4/3/2013 5:40:10 PM

I'll probably do it.

4/3/2013 5:57:46 PM

Go ahead and pm me your email. If we're FB friends I can do it through FB too

4/3/2013 6:20:19 PM

Has T-Dub ever had a discussion on Timothy Ferriss' Slow Carb Diet from the 4 Hour Body book? Curious what other users think of it and if anybody has tried it.

Infographic:
http://www.fitnessinfographics.com/images/09_slowcarb.jpg

4/4/2013 10:40:29 AM

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[Edited on April 4, 2013 at 10:58 AM. Reason : got a link to use for an invite!]

4/4/2013 10:46:29 AM

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4/4/2013 10:52:46 AM

[Edited on April 4, 2013 at 10:58 AM. Reason : Join the challenge http://bit.ly/12fIWtq ]

4/4/2013 10:56:12 AM

Skack - I did his slow carb diet for a few months and it gave me great results... and a lot of gas.

I think I talked about it in the original beach body thread.

4/4/2013 1:13:29 PM

I'm on Day 4. My farts last night were literally the worst I've had in years. I got worried that it would soak into the leather on my truck seats and still be there today.
If the old adage is true my heart should be in very good shape at the end of this three month trial that I've committed myself to.

The initial water weight loss that people get with most diets has already passed and I'd be 40% of the way to my dietbet goal if we had started the competition on Sunday. With that in mind, I suppose any weight loss I see during the competition should be mostly actual fat loss as long as I'm not losing muscle. Saturday is my cheat day so any weight I gain on that day will be long gone before we start on Wednesday.

Having never done this diet I really don't know how my body will react to it, but I'm hoping for positive results. I lost a good bit of weight on low carb about 10 years ago, but I found that it wasn't sustainable (for me). I think it resulted in some hormonal changes that made it extremely difficult to maintain the weight loss after it was gone. Of the ~60 lbs that I lost then only about 20 lbs has consistently stayed off. The other 40 lbs have come and gone many times over. I don't want to fall back into that cycle again if I can avoid it.

[Edited on April 4, 2013 at 2:01 PM. Reason : l]

4/4/2013 1:48:08 PM

You really dont wanna be eating fruit when youre trying to lose weight

4/4/2013 5:23:10 PM

^Correction: berries are ok, but, yeah...

4/4/2013 5:35:14 PM

When I was on Paleo, I too had bloating and gas issue. I was also shitting bricks.

That challenge only lasted a week and a half, couldn't take it anymore.

4/4/2013 5:41:23 PM

I would do this if I wasn't taking 3 Summer classes and working. You won't see me at a beach.

Fuck My Life Summer

4/4/2013 6:19:09 PM

Weird most of my gas problems stopped when I went on paleo. Then again that's probably because I'm partially lactose intolerant.

I guess people do experience those symptoms:

http://chriskresser.com/paleo-diet-challenges-solutions-ii-its-all-about-the-gut

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"Before I do that, it’s worth pointing out that in the vast majority of cases, people who have digestive issues on Paleo also had them before. They may have consciously or unconsciously compensated for them by limiting animal proteins (if they have low stomach acid), eating more simple carbohydrates (decreased enzyme production) or limiting intake of fibrous vegetables and fruits (intestinal inflammation). This doesn’t mean the diet they were on before was necessarily more gut-friendly; the symptoms were being managed, but the underlying problems weren’t addressed."

It sounds like if you're having issues after switching to paleo it's because of pre-existing dietary/digestive issues that may have just been disguised before. Hence the need to "fix your gut" if you want to be on a more whole foods diet (that may magnify digestive issues that were hidden/covered up on previous diets).

[Edited on April 4, 2013 at 6:35 PM. Reason : s]

4/4/2013 6:28:40 PM

Yeah.

Diagnosed with IBS (whatever the hell that means these days) a few years ago. Hydrogen breath test, test for Celiacs, etc. Still something I struggle with everyday, but I know if I go back to the GI doc she is just going to Rx me a different drug. I don't want it. It's manageable. But hate the constant pressure, even on a grain-free meal at times.

4/4/2013 6:53:25 PM

^ have you ever looked into fructose malabsorption? i have been reading up on it a lot and it appears that up to 1 in 3 people could have it. a lot of times it's mistaken for IBS because the symptoms are almost identical. i've been looking into it for myself as i find i don't tolerate sugar very well and there's a lot of overlap between foods high in fructose and fructan and foods that are higher in sulfites.

4/4/2013 7:40:02 PM

can we do a FDT bet

4/4/2013 8:58:41 PM

Uncovering the abs is tough! My fat loss program is going well... I can see a visible improvement every 3-4 days. I am probably around 11% body fat, maybe less with some water retention.

Trying to lose a steady 1lb a week on average to minimize muscle loss. My diet strategy is low carb in the morning, high carb in the evening. With calories adjusted for the weight loss rate goal.

My training program has shifted back towards 5/3/1, and I've added an arm/beach muscle day.

4/4/2013 9:42:08 PM

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"You really dont wanna be eating fruit when youre trying to lose weight "

That's not a good advice at all.

Problem is that people are impatient and want to "beat the system" by losing too much weight too fast. You need to eat normal dose of fruits, carbs and fats, including quality saturated fats like that from coconut oil for example. Above all, portion control is the most important thing if goal is healthy weight loss.


On a different and off tanget note...

Being 5'11'' and 230lb with 5% body fat is NOT as healthy as being 5'11" 175lb with 5%.

The size of major organs between these two people is still the same.

Heart, liver, kidneys still have to process extra food to maintain and feed 230lb vs 175lb. That is 55lb more weight to feed and that much more food oxidation that causes free radicals to float around and age your cells. Extra weight (even if it is all muscle) still places stress on body joints. Bones and joints will strengthen over time, but lumbar discs or parts of knee joint for example do not have that ability. Weight is weight. You are still placing 55lb more weight over your body and over your knees and feet.

Extra protein you ingest to maintain 55lb more of muscles taxes your kidneys and liver. It all has to work extra. A lot of people take extra protein by reading google and forums and not understanding fundamentally how body metabolizes protein. My good friend (Harvard MD. Director of nephrology in Boston hospital) constantly sees teenagers/college kids with failed or ruined kidneys from extra protein or creatine. For all of you that take extra protein or creatine I suggest doing a simple blood work to see if you are being affected.

[Edited on April 5, 2013 at 12:15 AM. Reason : g]

4/5/2013 12:13:30 AM

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"Being 5'11'' and 230lb with 5% body fat is NOT as healthy as being 5'11" 175lb with 5%. "

Not anywhere near possible without a lot of drugs. I don't think it's possible for a natural trainee to gain so much muscle mass that it becomes "unhealthy". Depending on genetics, a 5' 11" (shredded, 5% BF) dude is capped at probably 190...and that's being generous.

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"protein or creatine"

Not even once.

[Edited on April 5, 2013 at 12:35 AM. Reason : ]

4/5/2013 12:34:18 AM

So can someone settle the debate once and for all?

Can you have too much protein?

If the body is meant to process 20-30g from a meal, and you feed 60g or more, for example...what happens to the extra protein that the body couldn't break down? How long does it take for the body to break down 20-25g, which is a typical amount for most people during a meal with protein?

PS- And Cass, I'm looking for an endocrine and metabolism specialist. Time to revisit this issue, but not seeing a GI doc.

[Edited on April 5, 2013 at 12:51 AM. Reason : .]

4/5/2013 12:47:43 AM

Was hanging out with friends before work, and drank two vodka sodas. I saw I still had a few hours before work so I went to the gym. Ran 5 hi-intensity miles.

I thought I was dying haha. That'll teach me.

4/5/2013 4:25:35 AM

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"Not anywhere near possible without a lot of drugs. I don't think it's possible for a natural trainee to gain so much muscle mass that it becomes "unhealthy". Depending on genetics, a 5' 11" (shredded, 5% BF) dude is capped at probably 190...and that's being generous."

I just picked a random number. You can take 195lb vs 175lb just for comparison purposes. Banal point is you cannot train your liver and kidneys as you can train your muscles.

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"Can you have too much protein? "

Absolutely!!!

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"If the body is meant to process 20-30g from a meal, and you feed 60g or more, for example...what happens to the extra protein that the body couldn't break down? How long does it take for the body to break down 20-25g, which is a typical amount for most people during a meal with protein?"

in short...


Just like with all excess food intake, unused protein is turned into fat (triglycerides), but much harder than carbs as liver has to work to eliminate amine group from the protein. This excess amine group shows up as ammonia in sweat or as excess urea in your urine. Kidneys cannot filter protein molecules as they are too big to pass through kidney's filtering passageways called nephrons. As kidneys work hard to remove excess urea and other toxic byproducts from protein metabolism they act as barriers to stop protein from going to your urine. Over time they begin to lose their filtering function and fail. Nephrons become damanged and allow protein molecules to go into your urine. That's the beginning of kidneys disease.

4/5/2013 5:00:38 AM

^ You are a little bit right.

You are taking very rare and unlikely situations and then making it sound like it happens easily and frequently.

The body is extremely effective at regulating its self. That is why protein is so satiating... When you start getting anywhere near the upper limits of protein in take, you will not have the hunger to eat any more.

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"I just picked a random number. You can take 195lb vs 175lb just for comparison purposes. Banal point is you cannot train your liver and kidneys as you can train your muscles. "

Actually, I am fairly certain that almost all organs and tissues can adapt, the liver and kidneys can ramp up enzyme productions. And, ligaments in the spine and knee can adapt to new weight bearing loads if they are within the right tolerance and allowed adequate time to adapt.

[Edited on April 5, 2013 at 7:27 AM. Reason : more words]

4/5/2013 7:26:19 AM

Too much protein in my diet was a lot of reason for my kidney stones a few years ago. I now have to be really careful about too much protein.

4/5/2013 7:39:59 AM

Dietary protein intake and renal function
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1262767/

Recent trends in weight loss diets have led to a substantial increase in protein intake by individuals. As a result, the safety of habitually consuming dietary protein in excess of recommended intakes has been questioned. In particular, there is concern that high protein intake may promote renal damage by chronically increasing glomerular pressure and hyperfiltration. There is, however, a serious question as to whether there is significant evidence to support this relationship in healthy individuals. In fact, some studies suggest that hyperfiltration, the purported mechanism for renal damage, is a normal adaptative mechanism that occurs in response to several physiological conditions. This paper reviews the available evidence that increased dietary protein intake is a health concern in terms of the potential to initiate or promote renal disease. While protein restriction may be appropriate for treatment of existing kidney disease, we find no significant evidence for a detrimental effect of high protein intakes on kidney function in healthy persons after centuries of a high protein Western diet.

4/5/2013 8:26:24 AM

In most healthy people, high protein diets will not harm your liver/kidneys and won't necessarily be converted to fat. For instance, if you account for more protein in your daily calorie consumption, then it'll be used normally (body organs, hair, muscles, skin, etc). If you're doing a ketone diet, then it'll be used for energy.

Also, high levels of consumption of animal proteins may increase your risk of kidney stones, so if you're in a vulnerable population you can just eat a more plant-based diet.

4/5/2013 8:44:11 AM

so am I the only one playing the diet bet with minka?

4/5/2013 10:09:25 AM

Im contemplating it, but I probably won't. My weight is coming off but it is coming off nice and slow.

4/5/2013 10:10:23 AM

you only have to lose 4%. but k. I was jw. I am about to TAKE HER MONEY. BOOM.

4/5/2013 10:13:02 AM

Hmmmm. In how long? A month? I could maybe do that.

4/5/2013 10:18:55 AM

yea. i can do that in a week if i really want to. but apparently we are doing it the healthy way

4/5/2013 10:23:46 AM

4 weeks, so yeah about a month

4/5/2013 10:33:34 AM

I'd do it, but I don't want to crush y'all and trot around all smug like with your moneyz

4/5/2013 10:41:35 AM

oh look. someone talking smack who has no real intention of playing.

stfu this isn't chit chat

4/5/2013 10:43:22 AM

i thought about it, but its more weight than i would want to lose right now.

if she repeats it again later in the year i imagine i would reconsider.

but it leads to question how are you verifying the winner?

4/5/2013 10:56:45 AM

the site has judges or something that verify it. you have to send them pictures of you on a scale etc

4/5/2013 10:58:45 AM

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"You are taking very rare and unlikely situations and then making it sound like it happens easily and frequently."

Type 2 Diabetes, cancer from smoking, atherosclerosis, cirrhosis and others common diseases all take time to develop, some 20-30 years. So, yes, you will probably not get renal failure from downing 2lb of lean meat daily for a month. Point I’m trying to make is that people are making changes to their diet without knowing how body breaks down basic food components.

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"The body is extremely effective at regulating its self. That is why protein is so satiating... When you start getting anywhere near the upper limits of protein in take, you will not have the hunger to eat any more. "

Agreed. People should listen to their body and not count cups of whey protein.

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"Actually, I am fairly certain that almost all organs and tissues can adapt, the liver and kidneys can ramp up enzyme productions. And, ligaments in the spine and knee can adapt to new weight bearing loads if they are within the right tolerance and allowed adequate time to adapt. "

Organs adapt by ramping up their functions, but that can only last for a short time. Insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes is your prime example how body cannot adapt to cope with extra sugar. At least not in the long run. Heart disease is another example where body cannot adapt and effectively remove extra fat in the diet that eventually leads to thickening of artery walls which leads to hypertension which leads to heart attacks.

If you have ever done blood work you will see that liver enzymes and basic kidney functions are given in standardized ranges. If you are outside of this range more than likely there is an underlying problem. These values are given in ranges to take into account normal variations between people.

Lumbar discs cannot adapt to extra weight. Muscles around it and bones can, but not discs. Knee is an extremey complex joint and while developing muscles around it will ensure stability and strenght, over time more weight will lead to premature knee wear. Again, I am not saying this will happen overnight, but if you compare two people of different weights, over time heavier person will have knee problems earlier in their life. Overuse injuries in sports are another example of this.

Take it how you want. There are a lot of info out there to sift through and I am not going to post any rebuttal links to counter yours. This is just my 2 cents.

cheers!

4/5/2013 11:38:26 AM

Looks like the debate will continue! lol

For me, I just don't know what to believe. But I'm bored at work today, maybe I'll find some papers.

4/5/2013 11:43:15 AM

I signed up for dietbet!

My motivation has waned the last few weeks. Why are beer and bread so delicious?

4/5/2013 11:57:07 AM

too much protein is often just not enough water

4/5/2013 12:01:47 PM

10 guy might be right though.

For instance, oral corticosteroid like predisone is often prescribed for many conditions. It's a synthetic drug of something the body makes naturally in your adrenals. Long term use( basically pumping way too many steroids in your system) of predisone can crash your adrenal cortex where they lose the ability to make natural corticosteroids.

4/5/2013 12:06:55 PM