I think it's pretty well accepted at this point that Zimmerman will either go to jail, or be murdered by the NRA/Black Panthers in a joint effort.

3/23/2012 11:20:39 PM

Typical response from someone out of options.

3/23/2012 11:21:01 PM

yo, word up...

your mother is a response for someone out of options.

3/23/2012 11:21:35 PM

^^^That wouldn't surprise me at all.

3/23/2012 11:22:18 PM

The fact the pursued the kid, even after a dispatcher told him not to do that, will not make this an easy case of self-defense. There is no way to can twist this fact when he admitted to following the kid in the 911 call.

3/23/2012 11:25:07 PM

Ok, well let me go over this again since some of you are still missing the point.

This is what we know.

George Zimmerman sees someone that HE THINKS is suspicious for whatever reasons. This does not matter legally. HE THINKS the guy is suspicious and calls 911.

While on the phone with 911 and still in his car, this person that George Zimmerman sees takes off running.

Tired of past criminals getting away, and thinking that Trayvon is another one about to get away, based on what he has seen up to this point, Zimmerman decides to follow the person while still on the phone with 911 and at this point, has no clue where Trayvon is. He ends the call as he is walking back to his car to meet the cops still with no clue where Trayvon is. This is all recorded in the 911 call.

At this point NOTHING ILLEGAL HAS OCCURED.

While walking back to his car one of two things PROBABLY happened.

1)Zimmerman sees Trayvon and chases him down, he starts a fight with Trayvon and Trayvon begins to beat his ass. There are wounds on Zimmerman to suggest this. During the fight, and not going to let this black thug get away with kicking his ass, Zimmerman shoots him dead.

2)Trayvon thinking he is also being chased by a criminal, attacks Zimmerman and begins to beat Zimmerman causing the wounds from the police report. Zimmerman gets the slip on him and for whatever reason thinks that Trayvon has become a threat at this point. Reaches for a cell phone and Zimmerman thinks its a gun, whatever we will never know. It only matters if Zimmerman felt he was in danger, so he shoots and kills Trayvon to eliminate what he thinks is a threat to his life by the criminal he thought he was chasing.


There is no tangible evidence at this point to suggest that either one of them happened or didn't happen. There are witnesses saying it was Zimmerman screaming, there are some saying it was Trayvon. Some say Zimmerman was on top, some say it was Trayvon.

All George Zimmerman basically has to do is go with story number 2 and he will more than likely get away with this.


THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCOUNT STORY #2 at this point.

It's basically a he said she said and none of it physically shows that whatever story Zimmerman is telling at this point isn't what happened.



A 911 dispatcher is a glorified phone answerer with no authority to tell anyone what to or what not to do.

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 11:28 PM. Reason : .]

3/23/2012 11:27:17 PM

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 11:29 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2012 11:29:10 PM

I still don't see how anyone would think that guy was white.

3/23/2012 11:30:03 PM

Copying and pasting a post you've already backed away from doesn't help you.

You've described 2 scenarios where Zimmerman murders an innocent kid for minding his own business.

3/23/2012 11:31:25 PM

Quote :

"so the black panther party puts out an official "wanted dead or alive" notice on george zimmerman and what happens? nothing."

I'm pretty sure it's taken as being unintentionally hilarious than an actual threat. They're probably trying to track his movement using Google Earf.

3/23/2012 11:32:18 PM

lol I haven't backed away from anything.

And in scenario 2, in the eyes of Zimmerman at the time, he is not an innocent kid at the point where he starts to attack Zimmerman.


Soooooooo......

let me go over this again since some of you are still missing the point.

This is what we know.

George Zimmerman sees someone that HE THINKS is suspicious for whatever reasons. This does not matter legally. HE THINKS the guy is suspicious and calls 911.

While on the phone with 911 and still in his car, this person that George Zimmerman sees takes off running.

Tired of past criminals getting away, and thinking that Trayvon is another one about to get away, based on what he has seen up to this point, Zimmerman decides to follow the person while still on the phone with 911 and at this point, has no clue where Trayvon is. He ends the call as he is walking back to his car to meet the cops still with no clue where Trayvon is. This is all recorded in the 911 call.

At this point NOTHING ILLEGAL HAS OCCURED.

While walking back to his car one of two things PROBABLY happened.

1)Zimmerman sees Trayvon and chases him down, he starts a fight with Trayvon and Trayvon begins to beat his ass. There are wounds on Zimmerman to suggest this. During the fight, and not going to let this black thug get away with kicking his ass, Zimmerman shoots him dead.

2)Trayvon thinking he is also being chased by a criminal, attacks Zimmerman and begins to beat Zimmerman causing the wounds from the police report. Zimmerman gets the slip on him and for whatever reason thinks that Trayvon has become a threat at this point. Reaches for a cell phone and Zimmerman thinks its a gun, whatever we will never know. It only matters if Zimmerman felt he was in danger, so he shoots and kills Trayvon to eliminate what he thinks is a threat to his life by the criminal he thought he was chasing.


There is no tangible evidence at this point to suggest that either one of them happened or didn't happen. There are witnesses saying it was Zimmerman screaming, there are some saying it was Trayvon. Some say Zimmerman was on top, some say it was Trayvon.

All George Zimmerman basically has to do is go with story number 2 and he will more than likely get away with this.


THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCOUNT STORY #2 at this point.

It's basically a he said she said and none of it physically shows that whatever story Zimmerman is telling at this point isn't what happened.

3/23/2012 11:32:32 PM

So you don't think running is a reasonable action if you think you are being followed? And if Zimmerman caught up with him, you don't think the kid swings for his life was reasonable?

And to think this guy should not did not casue this incident is absurd, when you JUST stated the evidence this will make it VERY HARD for him to claim self-defense when he DID NOT HAVE TO, NOR SHOULD HAVE pursued the kid. Just becasue he did not do any illeagl is not the point. Self-defense wins usually when the facts points to the danger COMING AT YOU and NOT YOU PURSUING the danger.

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 11:34 PM. Reason : /]

3/23/2012 11:33:07 PM

Quote :

"I'm pretty sure it's taken as being unintentionally hilarious than an actual threat. They're probably trying to track his movement using Google Earf. "

If the KKK did this regarding a black man in the news the heads of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would literally explode.

3/23/2012 11:33:26 PM

So you agree that Zimmerman murdered Martin, but you don't care about this injustice because the mighty police haven't done anything?

Is that your position?

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 11:34 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2012 11:34:15 PM

Quote :

"So you don't hink running is a reasonable action if you think you are being followed? And if Zimmerman caught up with him, you don't think the kid swings for his life was reasonable? And to think this guy should not did not casue this incident is absurd, when you JUST statetd the evidence this will make it VERY HARD for him to claim self-defense when he DID NOT HAVE TO, NOR SHOULD HAVE pursued the kid. Just becasue he did not do any illeagl is not the point. Self-defense wins usually when the facts points to the danger COMING AT YOU and NOY YOU PURSUING the danger. "

Jesus, how did some of you get into college.

3/23/2012 11:34:24 PM

3/23/2012 11:35:07 PM

you need to hone your trolling skills.

Theuy weak, and you must really be crazy not to see why this would be hard case for self-defense.

3/23/2012 11:35:23 PM

so after following a suspicious person zimmermans only recourse was to allow his ass to get beat?

3/23/2012 11:35:48 PM

Quote :

"So you agree that Zimmerman murdered Martin, but you don't care about this injustice because the might police haven't done anything? Is that your position?"

No, I think Zimmerman got into an altercation with someone who he thought was a criminal, and when this person started beating his ass he defended himself for whatever reasons and the other person was shot.


Look, thats the reason he has not been arrested at this point.

The fact that he is free to roam the earth just backs up my points even more.

3/23/2012 11:35:50 PM

Quote :

"If the KKK did this regarding a black man in the news the heads of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would literally explode."

A shit tsunami would ensue. If "Rev" Barber and Ben Jealous would explode too that would be great.

3/23/2012 11:36:27 PM

Quote :

"No, I think Zimmerman got into an altercation with someone who he thought was a criminal, and when this person started beating his ass he defended himself for whatever reasons and the other person was shot. "

He shot an innocent person, that he chased down and intended to detain based on plain stupidity.

Is this right, or wrong?

3/23/2012 11:37:42 PM

I... don't think I can post in this thread anymore.

Goodbye.

3/23/2012 11:38:07 PM

HE PURSUED THE KID ... ARE YOU REALLY RETARDED NOT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS LEAD UP TO A POSSIBLE ALTERCATION BETWEEN ZIMMERMAN AND THE KID.

And I forgot kids still post here, haha silly me.

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 11:39 PM. Reason : /]

3/23/2012 11:38:10 PM

Quote :

"No, I think Zimmerman got into an altercation with someone who he thought was a criminal, and when this person started beating his ass he defended himself for whatever reasons and the other person was shot. "

I've suspected the same thing. Kid got the upper hand and Zimmerman honestly thought he could get killed.

3/23/2012 11:39:16 PM

I am asleep in my house in Florida.

I awake to the sounds of someone breaking into my house.

I grab my gun which I have a permit for and go downstairs to investigate.

Someone is coming at me, I tell them to stop or I'll shoot, he doesn't so I shoot and fire fearing for my life and the safety of my family at the time. I kill the intruder.

Only, it turns out it wasn't an intruder like I thought.

It was my neighbor, drunk out of his mind and high on drugs and had lost his keys and thought he was breaking into his own house.



Guess what. I killed an innocent unarmed man, and I wouldn't be arrested or convicted of anything.


This is an example of how fucking mistakes and misunderstandings happen in life and you don't always get charged with something.

3/23/2012 11:40:29 PM

THEY CAME TO YOUR HOUSE, YOUR DWELLING, YOUR PAD MAN

YOU TROLLING OR WHAT BRAH??

3/23/2012 11:41:19 PM

Quote :

"HE PURSUED THE KID ... ARE YOU REALLY RETARDED NOT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS LEAD UP TO A POSSIBLE ALTERCATION BETWEEN ZIMMERMAN AND THE KID. And I forgot kids still post here, haha silly me. "

And all that is perfectly legal.

3/23/2012 11:41:27 PM

^ you are dumb as a brick.

Intruder -> your house

is different than chasing someone down and shooting them.

3/23/2012 11:41:36 PM

Quote :

"YOU TROLLING OR WHAT BRAH?? "

I think he's just stupid.

He think the law excuses stupidity as a reason for murder too.

3/23/2012 11:42:42 PM

Well, so far the state of Florida agrees with me.

So every day George Zimmerman is free is just a little reminder to all of you that I am right.

3/23/2012 11:42:44 PM

Haha, this has turned into a really silly post exchange that I see no reason to continue.

^^ They are investigating, the case is NOT CLOSED.

If the case was CLOSED I would say, oh well self-defense and there you go, but it ain't that easy. Too many questions he has to appropiately answer.

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 11:44 PM. Reason : /]

3/23/2012 11:43:03 PM

Because you just got fucking owned.

Good night

3/23/2012 11:43:45 PM

I only wish I could aspire to agree with the Great State of Florida.

A wonderous land known for being a bastion of great philosophy...

3/23/2012 11:43:55 PM

It's true that following the kid really doesn't mean anything.

This can be reduced to a confrontation between two strangers in a public place. Started out with two, ended with one. Let's be honest, how do such confrontations usually get handled by the law? The guy who showed up with the gun probably gets life.

Just sayin.

3/23/2012 11:44:02 PM

Quote :

"I've suspected the same thing. Kid got the upper hand and Zimmerman honestly thought he could get killed."

Yay, someone finally gets it.


It doesn't matter that he was following the kid which some people seem to be trying to use to discount Zimmerman defending himself once Trayvon started hitting him or whatever happened.

3/23/2012 11:44:55 PM

^^ true, but the whole purpose for juries and trials is that it's never just a narrow slice of an isolated circumstance.

Otherwise all our crimes could be processed via a 1960s era computer.

^ what you're saying is that justice doesn't matter if someone can convince enough people their clearly unjust actions are inside a poorly worded law.

What intelligent people are saying is that it's clear Martin was murdered, and the police should arrest him and let the legal system work its magic.

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 11:47 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2012 11:45:16 PM

^^^ It does mean something when you are on 911 call sounding drunk, and you want to claim self-defense.

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 11:46 PM. Reason : /]

3/23/2012 11:46:07 PM

Quote :

"It's true that following the kid really doesn't mean anything. This can be reduced to a confrontation between two strangers in a public place. Started out with two, ended with one. Let's be honest, how do such confrontations usually get handled by the law? The guy who showed up with the gun probably gets life. Just sayin."

Not in the state of Florida.

Quote :

"Police have said officers were prohibited from arresting Zimmerman because he claimed to have used "justifiable" force. The case has triggered a wave of public outcry to change or repeal Florida's "stand your ground" law. Trayvon Martin was talking on his cellphone when he was shot and killed in February. "You want to know how you can kill somebody legally in Florida?" says Arthur Hayhoe, executive director of the Florida Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. "Make sure you have no witnesses, hunt the person down and then say you feared for your life." Hayhoe says he has about a dozen cases on his desk now similar to Trayvon's case. He says in those cases, gunmen say they were defending themselves and have not been charged, leaving grieving relatives to wonder why the shooters have not been charged."

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 11:46 PM. Reason : ,m]

3/23/2012 11:46:17 PM

Quote :

"It does mean something when you are on 911 call sounding drunk, and you want to claim self-defense."

Nice try

3/23/2012 11:47:26 PM

^ what you're saying is that justice doesn't matter if someone can convince enough people their clearly unjust actions are inside a poorly worded law.

What intelligent people are saying is that it's clear Martin was murdered, and justice exists independent of weasley lawyers.

3/23/2012 11:48:18 PM

He clearly has poor ethics.

3/23/2012 11:49:25 PM

IF Zimmerman thought he was being attacked by a criminal then he had every right to defend himself in his mind.

And legally too.

3/23/2012 11:50:04 PM

Quote :

"once Trayvon started hitting him or whatever happened."

Give me one quote that directly says Trayvon was hitting.

One quote.

3/23/2012 11:51:54 PM

The bloody nose and the busted bleeding head documented in the police report should suffice. Oh, and his wet back covered in grass that shows at some point Zimmerman was on his back.

But I guess you could argue he inflicted all those wounds himself after cornering and executing the kid gang style.

3/23/2012 11:53:29 PM

hey, you cant say wet back.

3/23/2012 11:56:00 PM

Quote :

"IF Zimmerman thought he was being attacked by a criminal then he had every right to defend himself in his mind. And legally too. "

That's the dumbest argument ever.

Casey Anthony had a right to kill her baby in her mind. That soldier had a right to murder Afghanis in his mind.

The law used to say if you didn't own land, you couldn't vote. If you were black, you couldn't go to school.

The facts of this case are that Trayvon was minding his own business, and was shot and killed by zimmerman. This is unjust and wrong.

3/23/2012 11:57:03 PM

Quote :

" hey, you cant say wet back."

Literal lol

3/23/2012 11:59:38 PM

Quote :

"That's the dumbest argument ever. The facts of this case are that Trayvon was minding his own business, and was shot and killed by zimmerman. This is unjust and wrong. "

No, the facts are that at some point Trayvon made Zimmerman feel threatened enough to use deadly force.

And once again, the state of Florida agrees.


You are acting like he just rolled up on him and shot him dead on the sidewalk while eating skittles.

There was a fight, we may never know who threw the first punch, massive confusion, and now a kid is dead.

Zimmerman is claiming self defense, with the wounds to prove it, and there is basically no tangible evidence to disprove his claims.

3/24/2012 12:06:45 AM

So NOW you're saying Trayvon probably deserved to be shot.

Wow.

3/24/2012 12:09:18 AM

No, I am showing what Zimmerman is CLAIMING and why he will probably not be arrested or if he is, found innocent.

Since there is NO EVIDENCE to disprove his story.

EVIDENCE is needed to show that what Zimmerman is claiming "That he pursued what he believed to be a suspect, and when that suspect attacked him, he defended himself" is not what happened.

So far, no evidence has come forward to show that thats now what happened as Zimmerman claims.

[Edited on March 24, 2012 at 12:13 AM. Reason : ,m]

3/24/2012 12:13:02 AM