8/20/2007 7:58:39 PM

More than a year is too much. I guess they are nailing him on the gambling.

8/20/2007 8:06:56 PM

no matter your team, goin to trial with 3 co'ds labeling you the head, and with america is on animal rights

pretty much doa

8/20/2007 8:16:02 PM

Well, that plus the whole actually doing it thing and a lot of evidence and testimony to back it up (at least one would assume since everyone involved took a plea).

Yup, there was no getting out of it. It's pretty fucking appalling to be involved in dog fighting, plus Vick is just a dumbshit who wasn't even smart enough to keep shit like this under wraps. I mean, c'mon... Attn: Rich, successful, recognizable athletes - Don't get involved with disgusting, illegal activities. Really, I mean animal abuse and torture is going to get you assraped by the public and the legal system when they think it'll serve a purpose. This would have been no different had this been Peyton Manning running this ring so I don't want to hear about how it was racially motivated (and I know you haven't, J_hova, but some dumb asses are saying it's a race thing).

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 8:22 PM. Reason : adf]

8/20/2007 8:21:48 PM

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"no matter your team, goin to trial with 3 co'ds labeling you the head, and with america is on animal rights pretty much doa"

you mean like murdering your ex-wife, her boyfriend, and leaving evidence everywhere you could possibly think of?

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 8:31 PM. Reason : not saying he was guilty, but he was def DOA before his trial]

8/20/2007 8:31:17 PM

vick sucks

8/20/2007 8:33:54 PM

yea, how fucked up is it you can get off easier from murder/assault than hurting an animal

you can argue the "defenseless" "we have to speak for em" shit if you want, but give me a break

I dont even get the appeal of dogfighting if you have money, like do you make that much fucking loot on the shit?

When i get rich, I'm buying land and playing golf. Dogfighting, smoking weed, shooting up strip clubs, etc is ridiculous. Only reason I do dumb shit now is cause I can't afford to do some of the more lavish things in life, haha

8/20/2007 8:36:11 PM

If OJ had been in Federal Court he'd have gotten the needle by now.

Personally I think the reason that the local DA didn't really go after this is because he knew they didn't have the budget to compete with Vick. Vick would have had the better attorney's and the jury pool would have been sympathetic. Same case as OJ (who c'mon, everyone knows was guilty as sin). The richer and more famous the guy the harder to convict, unless you have the feds unlimited resources to back you up.

8/20/2007 8:39:08 PM

course also this is the federal government we're talking about...not orange county or the city of los angeles or the state of california or whatever...he happened to be clearly the most famous ringleader of the 12 dog fighting rings the feds busted after surveilling them the last 6 years...the feds dont fuck around

8/20/2007 8:43:46 PM

8/20/2007 9:03:51 PM

LOL

The pug should be Luke

Or Yoda

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 9:12 PM. Reason : 2]

8/20/2007 9:12:03 PM

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"what happen to innocent until proven?"

nah...he plead guilty today so admitting guilt seems to trump the "innocent until.." angle

he had probably the best trial defense attorney team in the country... how can you not think if they didnt have a ton of evidence on him linking him to the ring that they wouldnt go to trial? seems he knew he was guilty and they had enough evidence/testimony to prove it...and you better believe his attorneys could knock holes in any questionable testimony by his codefendants...oh well i guess vick isnt mr. bigg or shyheim

8/20/2007 9:21:06 PM

can someone explain this? i saw the pic posted in other threads and i took me seeing it 3 times before i figured out what it was

8/20/2007 9:23:23 PM

^^ What he said. Vick could afford the best attorneys that money can buy, and the fact that he's pleaded guilty speaks volumes about his involvement.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 9:24 PM. Reason : carrots]

8/20/2007 9:24:20 PM

just like was said before, feds don't fuck around, i dont know if any legal eagles could stand up to that

and before somebody gets on that line, i'm not defending Vick at all, but the whole hanging/drowning shit is what i'm weary of unless he flat out admits it.

I've seen my friends get thrown under the bus before by other "friends", and it was no where near as big as this

8/20/2007 9:28:59 PM

^your friends been fucked with like that by the feds though?

8/20/2007 9:34:38 PM

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"can someone explain this? i saw the pic posted in other threads and i took me seeing it 3 times before i figured out what it was"

It's a pit bull that got tangled up with a porcupine.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 9:37 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2007 9:36:42 PM

^yeah nothing to do with dogfighting...he had a run in with a hedgehog or porcupine, not a dickhead dogfight ringleader

8/20/2007 9:42:54 PM

^^damn did the people make him fight one?

8/20/2007 10:03:57 PM

all the pitbull had to do was get a spatula, flip the porcupine, and bite its stomach

8/20/2007 10:37:27 PM

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"Do you mean The Longest Yard or is Mike Vick gonna some how be Bruce Willis?"

Yeah, you got me. But come on, the whole nine yards seems like it could be the title of a movie about football.

8/20/2007 11:43:45 PM

How many people honestly think you should go to jail for 5 years for fighting dogs?

Inhumane, yes
Cruel, yes

5 years....eh

8/21/2007 8:31:44 AM

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"Just fine him a couple million, put him on probation with a ridiculous amount of jail time if he violates it, and let him go. There are no real victims here, it's going to cost a lot to incarcerate him, and no one or animal will gain anything from his incarceration. "

8/21/2007 9:23:00 AM

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"There are no real victims here"

he electrocuted and drowned dogs but there are no victims

8/21/2007 10:02:55 AM

i wish they had gotten him with the gambling charges first.

either way, he will never play again

8/21/2007 10:46:31 AM

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"How many people honestly think you should go to jail for 5 years for fighting dogs?"

It's one thing if you're fighting dogs on your local street corner or out in an alley somewhere with your local buddies. The Federal indictment though states that he organized a massive dog fighting network and breeding program and was particularly brutal with the animals. If they link it with the gambling charges, he could go away for a very long time...

8/21/2007 2:04:47 PM

8/21/2007 4:58:18 PM

5 years???

It all depends on what he plead guilty to. If he's guilty of leading and financing a underground leage of extraodinary dog fighters then 5 years would be logical. If he's guilty of just fighting some dogs and killing a few then I wouldn't put him in for 5 years. I mean, come on, men abuse their wives and beat their children and get put away for less.

8/21/2007 5:24:51 PM

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"men abuse their wives and beat their children and get put away for less"

but do they orchestrate woman and child fighting rings where they force women and children to fight each other to the death?

i get the point you're making and I certainly value human life more than the life of any animal...but this wasn't some one time mistake

8/21/2007 5:26:31 PM

max 2 years, probably more like 8-12 months

8/21/2007 6:06:14 PM

lol this thread is hilarity. he's going to be a golden "take it in the ass BOYEEE" in prison.

8/21/2007 7:32:14 PM

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"Breaking news, Mike Vick was not, and will never be, a top 10 NFL QB."

8/22/2007 10:05:50 AM

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"but do they orchestrate woman and child fighting rings where they force women and children to fight each other to the death?"

no, but that would be awesome.

8/22/2007 10:46:06 AM

This type of shit makes me sick.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/22/vick/index.html

8/22/2007 12:52:20 PM

Imus should be banned from CBS

8/22/2007 12:54:06 PM

^^ that is equivalent to the senate hearings on steroids in baseball, when they should've been dealign with war funding.

and yes, it all makes me sick.

8/22/2007 2:13:01 PM

they should bring back OZ on HBO with Vick as the new main character named Vicky

8/22/2007 2:26:02 PM

Panthro, that is great news. It shows just how worthless a once proud and much needed group has fallen. Soon any press release from them will carry as much water as a press release from the KKK.

Both groups are clearly out of touch with reality.

8/22/2007 2:27:54 PM

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"R.L. White, president of the Atlanta chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said his organization does not condone dogfighting or any other illegal activity, but he told reporters that Vick should be given a chance to redeem himself. White also said he didn't understand the uproar over dogfighting, when hunting deer and other animals is perfectly acceptable"

8/22/2007 2:36:19 PM

Black people.....where are you at in condemning the NAACP chapter of Atlanta for being idiots? HELLO....HELLo.....hello...hel

anybody

8/22/2007 2:46:26 PM

THe real sad thing is that the NAACP would rather address dog fighting and micheal vick than try to address something of some worth, like I dunno, the fact that their are more blacks in prison than in college. Keep up the good fight.

They remind me of that commercial for monster jobs. "Its clear that investing in lottery tickets is not a sound business strategy." LOL

8/22/2007 3:21:21 PM

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" White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick's decision to accept a plea bargain if it's in his best interest, but he questioned the credibility of Vick's co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt might be more about cutting losses than the truth. "At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty. "You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a plea.' But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for his future, then I think he made the correct choice." White said he regretted that the plea deal will mean all the facts of the case might never be known. "Some have said things to save their own necks," White said. "Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed a human being." White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it as bad as hunting. "His crime is, it was a dog," White said."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2986382

*Sigh* NAACP, just shut the fuck up. We aren't talking about innocence or guilt now... blah, blah, blah. I'm sure he's only "cutting his losses." The NAACP has gotten to the point that they're doing as much harm as good for black people in America.

8/22/2007 4:03:39 PM

yeah, the NAACP is officially saying that he shouldn't lose his career over this

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/22/vick/index.html

8/22/2007 4:18:42 PM

^^When you might be facing up to 40years for racketeering, etc, and the US government has some good looking evidence, and 3 guys who might be lying to save their own asses, you take the fucking plea for a year or so whether you are guilty or not. Not saying Vick is totally innocent, but he was involved, and I doubt he wanted to risk that much time. Afterall, he was going to be found guilty at trail anyway. Its kind of like this...someone frames you for murder, they do a really really good job. You are looking at a life sentence if you go to trial, or 2 years if you plead guilty. Now whether I did it or not, I am gonna take that 2 years.

8/22/2007 4:21:49 PM

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"At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty. "You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a plea"

so you hire probably the best defense attorney team in the entire United States with your basically infinitely deep pockets...but those lawyers can't shoot holes in the testimonies of three cats with criminal records? give me a fucking break...he's guilty as shit...how can people be so naive

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"Afterall, he was going to be found guilty at trail anyway"

Quote :

"You are looking at a life sentence if you go to trial"

What orifice are you pulling this speculation out of?

OJ killed two PEOPLE and was found not guilty in the criminal trial...but Vick was definitely going to be found guilty at this trial? ps: there are no families of the deceased dogs to file a civil suit

you dont hire the best lawyers in the united states...lawyers who by the way are known for winning TRIALS....and then decide to plead guilty to felonies unless you're guilty

[Edited on August 22, 2007 at 4:28 PM. Reason : .]

8/22/2007 4:25:46 PM

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"White also said he didn't understand the uproar over dogfighting, when hunting deer and other animals is perfectly acceptable."

Well Mr. White, maybe I should explain the difference between a domesticated animal and a WILD ONE THAT HAS THE CHANCE AND INSTINCT TO ESCAPE A HUNTER IN ITS OWN NATURAL HABITAT.

For christ's sake, even a wild squirrel can put you in the ER.


AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY HANG AND ELECTROCUTE DEER?

8/22/2007 4:30:43 PM

Defenders of Vick went from saying

"You're all nailing his ass to the wall, at least let him have a fair trial before you say he's guilty!"

to

"You can't blame him for taking a plea, everybody knows they were gonna find him guilty anyway"

8/22/2007 4:31:58 PM

i hope a white quarterback commits a bunch of crimes and goes on trial just so all the idiots dont play the race card for once

8/22/2007 4:33:07 PM

Stephon "Starbury" Marbury is now defending Vick.

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"Stephon Marbury defends Michael Vick, calls dogfighting a sport August 22, 2007 NEW YORK (AP) -- New York Knicks guard Stephon Marbury defended Michael Vick, calling dogfighting a sport and comparing it to hunting. Marbury spoke Monday about the federal dogfighting conspiracy charges against Vick while promoting his basketball shoe in Albany, N.Y. "I think it's tough," Marbury said, according to Albany TV station Capital News 9. "I think, you know, we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals. You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors." On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He also faces possible prosecution in Virginia. "I think it's tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down," Marbury said. "I think he's one of the superb athletes, and he's a good human being. I just think that he fell into a bad situation.""

At this point, I am not suprised. When will these stupid fucking atheletes realize that they essentially drag their own name through the mud when they stick up for him like this!?!

Quote :

"You know, from what I hear..."

LOL, Marbury is a dogfighter too.

8/22/2007 4:33:49 PM

Dog Fighting is illegal because enough people thought it was immoral.



While you can argue against the masses, it's much harder against a judge.

8/22/2007 4:40:19 PM