Attention T-Dub Shoppers: Salisburyboy has left the building.

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and it only took two pages.


either he's starting to realize how indefensible his bullshit is...

or his rhetoric coach over at AryanNation.com is on vacation and can't send him cut and paste answers for our recent challenges.

7/9/2007 6:43:52 PM

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"or his rhetoric coach over at AryanNation.com is on vacation and can't send him cut and paste answers for our recent challenges."

I've never been so proud of someone in my entire life.

7/9/2007 7:05:30 PM

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"either he's starting to realize how indefensible his bullshit is... or his rhetoric coach over at AryanNation.com is on vacation and can't send him cut and paste answers for our recent challenges."

Or I haven't had the time in the last few days to respond to your post.

You guys are hilarious. You think that just because someone hasn't yet responded to your post or that because you posted last that you've "won" the argument?

lmao

7/10/2007 5:28:51 PM

^ How about posting a valid counter-argument?

7/10/2007 5:30:17 PM

salisburyboy, full of words that mean nothing.

7/10/2007 5:35:48 PM

Short History of Israel
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Short_History_of_Israel.htm

Where Is Israel Today?
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Where_Is_Israel_Today.htm

Jews admit that they are not the descendants of the ancient Israelites in their writings
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Jews_Are_Not_Israelites.htm

Who Are The True Tribes Of Israel?
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Identity.htm

Historic Proof of Israel’s Migrations
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Historic_Proof_of_Israel's_Migrations.htm

Israel's Migrations
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Israel's_Migrations.htm

Lost Israel Found
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Lost_Israel_Found.htm

7/10/2007 6:01:45 PM

Reposting the same articles is not a counter argument. Please debunk the valid historical evidence that joe_schmoe laid out on the previous page (which included genetic data and historical fact, something that you have never provided). In fact please go back and address the various posts that shot holes in your idea while you were occupied trying to be a victim.

Unlike you, rational people cannot simply repeat rhetoric to make it true.

7/10/2007 6:26:46 PM

salisburybot, I'd think that with a 3 day lead time, your rhetoric coach over at AryanNations could come up with a better job than a half dozen bare links from one single, unknown blog called "israel elect"

so let me repost it for you here near the top of the page. I've used credible citations. some of them a bit too simplisitc (wikipedia), but this is simple stuff here. i don't need complex conspiracies to explain the obvious.

please, take as much time as you need to come back with a similarly-reasoned and credibly-cited response. not just some a handful of links from some revisionist blogger.


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okay salisburyboy, forgive me for not posting supporting evidence with my earlier refutation of your silly "European Israelite" claims. most of what i used to discredit your baseless rants is common knowledge. Since I was at work, I didn't feel it necessary to take time to explain the obvious to you

But since you insist on defending your Aryan Nation propaganda by repeatedly squawking, "JEWISH LIES", I'll take a moment to spell it out for you


joe_schmoe: the Northern tribes of Israel (as distinct from the Southern tribes of Judah) were conquered by Shalmaneser of Assyria c.722 BCE. these peoples were regionally dispersed, and many of them were taken to Assyria and their descendants are still found there.

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"Shalmaneser V invaded Israel in the days of Hoshea, and reduced it to vassalage. He laid siege to Samaria (723 BCE), which held out for three years, and was at length captured by Sargon II, who completed the conquest Shalmaneser had begun (2 Kings 18:9-12; 17:3), and removed vast numbers of the tribes into captivity. --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaria --2 Kings 18:9-12 http://net.bible.org/passage.php?passage=2Ki+18:9-12 Under [Sargon II's] rule, the Assyrians completed the defeat of the Kingdom of Israel, capturing Samaria after a siege of three years and exiling the inhabitants. This became the basis of the legends of the Lost Ten Tribes. --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargon_II --Isaiah 20:1 http://biblebrowser.com/isaiah/20-1.htm The Basalt Victory Stele of Sargon II c.700 BCE, and Relief of King Sargon II "I besieged and conquered Samaria, led away as booty 27,290 inhabitants of it. I formed from among them a contingent of 50 chariots and made remaining (inhabitants) assume their (social) positions. I installed over them an officer of mine and imposed upon them the tribute of the former king" --http://www.bible-history.com/assyria_archaeology/ --Ancient Near Eastern Texts (ANET), 284-85 "

joe_schmoe: unique genetic markers are reproducibly located as evidence linking several minority ethnic groups of the middle east, afghanistan, iraq, and africa, to those European Jews descended from the Aaronid line of priests (the "Kohanim" or modern-day "Cohen"s) ... also known as the Northern tribe of Levi (aka, the Levites).

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"In the first study, as reported in the prestigious British science journal, Nature (January 2, 1997), 188 Jewish males were asked to contribute some cheek cells from which their DNA was extracted for study. Participants from Israel, England and North America were asked to identify whether they were a Kohen, Levi or Israelite, and to identify their family background. The results of the analysis of the Y chromosome markers of the Kohanim and non-Kohanim were indeed significant. A particular marker, (YAP-) was detected in 98.5 percent of the Kohanim, and in a significantly lower percentage on non-Kohanim. In a second study, Dr. Skorecki and associates gathered more DNA samples and expanded their selection of Y chromosome markers. Solidifying their hypothesis of the Kohens' common ancestor, they found that a particular array of six chromosomal markers were found in 97 of the 106 Kohens tested. This collection of markers has come to be known as the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH)--the standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family. The chances of these findings happening at random is greater than one in 10,000. The finding of a common set of genetic markers in both Ashkenazi and Sefardi Kohanim worldwide clearly indicates an origin pre-dating the separate development of the two communities around 1000 C.E. Date calculation based on the variation of the mutations among Kohanim today yields a time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of the line, some 3,300 years, the approximate time of the Exodus from Egypt, the lifetime of Aharon HaKohen. ... Wider genetic studies of diverse present day Jewish communities show a remarkable genetic cohesiveness. Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa and European Ashkenazim all cluster together with other Semitic groups, with their origin in the Middle East. A common geographical origin can be seen for all mainstream Jewish groups studied. -- http://www.cohen-levi.org/jewish_genes_and_genealogy/the_dna_chain_of_tradition.htm -- Journal of Human Mutation 24 (2004) -- http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Shen2004.pdf "

and let's not forgot India:

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"Extensive DNA testing has found the Bene Israelis, clustered in and around the western city of Bombay, are direct descendants of a hereditary Israelite priesthood that can be traced back 3,000 years to Moses' brother, Aaron." -- Developing World Bioethics 3:2 (December 2003) "Of the Indian datasets, only the Bene Israel carry the Cohen Modal Haplotype..." -- Wall Street Journal (May 11, 1998) -- from http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-cohen-levite.html "

joe_schmoe: You'll recall that Aaron was the brother of Moses and the High Priest of the Israelites during their escape from bondage in Israel, c.1350 BCE.

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"The name of Amram's wife was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, who was born to Levi in Egypt; and she bore to Amram: Aaron and Moses and their sister Miriam.... Aaron was consecrated as High Priest of all Israel, representing the priestly tribe of Levi --http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/aaron.html --Exodus 6:20, Leviticus 8-9, Numbers 17, etc. "

joe_schmoe:at which time, your glorious British/Germanic ancestors were living in mud hovels and spending their days caked in their own feces, alternately gnawing on bones and picking berries or worshiping the moon and sun.

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" a Bronze Age culture in Scandinavian pre-history, ca 1800 BC - 500 BC, with sites that reached as far east as Estonia ... is generally considered to be the direct predecessor and origin of Germanic [and later Anglo-Saxon] culture. --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Bronze_Age in the Ancient Near East, the Bronze Age ended and the Iron Age started ca 1200 BC --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age "

so the Semitic peoples were technologically ~700 years advanced relative to the Europeans.

but I will admit: our proto-Saxon forebears weren't caked in their own shit after all. They were perfecting the fine art of rock carving, and learning how to bury their dead in individual graves rather than mass pits. not too bad for illiterate barbarians, eh?

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7/10/2007 6:38:08 PM

Iron Age/Bronze Age is a false distinction and has little to do with technological advancement. Iron was known and used in Northern Europe pre-1000 BC. (Bronze was usually BETTER than iron produced at this time.)

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"gnawing on bones and picking berries"

Sorry, they were sedentary farmers/fishers just like people in the near east.

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"or worshiping the moon and sun."

So? The Romans worship the moon and sun (represented by deities, much like the proto-germans). Is there something inherently wrong with nature worship as opposed to monotheism? In fact, pantheistic religions usually prove to be far more tolerant than monotheistic(read judeo) religions.

7/11/2007 1:35:10 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenthau_Plan

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"Implementation Some of the Morgenthau Plan was implemented, and some came very close to being implemented. The Morgenthau Plan spawned the JCS-1067[4], which contained the ideas of making Germany a "Pastoral State". This concept's name was later changed to become "level of industry", where Germany's production was to be severely limited but not completely eliminated. No new locomotives were to be built until 1949, most industries were to have their production halved. Automobile production was to be set at 10% of its [pre-war] 1936 level, etc."

And I wonder what influenced the decision to intentionally starve to death 3 million Germans, including 2 million German civilians?

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"The US Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were genocidal Nazi-like schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of what was left of the bombed-out cities."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/04/15/bomac14.xml

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"Morgenthau had written a book outlining the full Morgenthau Plan, Germany is Our Problem. In November 1945 General Eisenhower, Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation Zone, approved the distribution of one thousand free copies of the book to American military officials in Germany.[47] By February 28, 1947 it was estimated that 4,160,000 German former prisoners of war, by General Eisenhower relabeled as Disarmed Enemy Forces in order to negate the Geneva Convention, were used as forced labor in work camps outside Germany: 3,000,000 in Russia, 750,000 in France, 400,000 in Britain and 10,000 in Belgium. [6] (see also Eisenhower and German POWs#American forced labor policy in Germany shortly after the war) Meanwhile in Germany large parts of the population were starving at a time when according to a study done by former US President Herbert Hoover the nutritional condition in Germany's neighboring countries was nearly pre-war normal"."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenthau_Plan

So U.S. military officials in occupied Germany were encouraged to read Morgenthau's FULL plan & propaganda about how Germany needed to be destroyed....and then 3 million Germans are deliberately starved to death. Interesting.

8/3/2007 6:08:17 PM