^never been to a church that the pastor says GD anything, much less GD america.

3/17/2008 4:05:18 PM

only times i went to church were when i'd stay with my grandparents and i thought saying GD was taking the lord's name in vain and something you're not supposed to do

but i'm not exactly the most qualified person to talk about church

3/17/2008 4:06:15 PM

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"Un-fucking-believable! How in hell do you take these hate-filled comments "out of context"? "U.S. of KKKA!" Which Americans are in the Klan again? Well, Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) was-- I mean, we know that. And there's this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=0FIBJt-c2o0"

LOL

Your defense for someone claiming KKKA is to post a youtube video of a currently sitting senator, and former member of the KKK, saying something racist? Haha thanks for that

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""Black men turning on black men is fighting the wrong enemy![" Who is the "right" enemy? And what would "turning on" mean for the "right" enemy?"

Seriously, do you even know what the word "context" means?

It's hard to tell from the 3 seconds fox posted (not really, it's clear he didn't mean they should kill whitey), but the context of that statement seemed to be that blacks should stay away from gangs, and instead work to better themselves in the face of society that is tilted against them.

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""If they don't find them some weapons of mass destruction, they going to do just like the LAPD and plant them some weapons of mass destruction!" Who is "they"?"

The US gov.. This seemed to be a facetious statement though, and partially meant to be humourous. But since there is no context in the video it's hard to say.

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"http://en.sevenload.com/videos/ZDZWP5z/wright2 Why don't you put them in context for us, okay? [Edited on March 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]"

Obviously since you don't have the capacity to do it yourself, i'm happy to oblige.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 4:26 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2008 4:07:07 PM

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"only times i went to church were when i'd stay with my grandparents and i thought saying GD was taking the lord's name in vain and something you're not supposed to do "

Wright wasn't saying "god-damn" as in goddammit he was saying "god damn" as in god condemn. Preachers, IME, routinely use damn and hell and god in various contexts. If you take issue with wright's cursing though, there's supposedly a video of him saying "shit" somewhere if you want to get your panties in a wad.

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" never been to a church that the pastor says GD anything, much less GD america."

Pat Roberston made even more harsh "anti-american" statements on 2 different occasions (that I know of) and people on the right didn't flip out then. IF your issue is with his diction, there's nothing I can do to help that.

3/17/2008 4:11:26 PM

^^ You've obliged nothing. It's just more of your typical far-left stupidity.

Byrd--a Democrat--is an admitted "former" Klan member and current geriatric buffoon. You punted the rest. Is that all you've got? Weak.

^ What about the "Reverend" Wright humping the pulpit and accusing Bill Clinton of "ridin' dirty" like he did Monica concerning Clinton's treatment of Blacks? Where's your outrage? If that had been a conservative, you would have swooped in on foam-covered moonbat wings to defend him and denounce the "evil-Bush-neocon-Exxon dummyhead" that said it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=enMWfQl_Qeg

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 4:13:51 PM

^ Considering that lack of substance in your response, I take it you realize you're wrong?

3/17/2008 4:15:45 PM

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"^ Considering that lack of substance in your response, I take it you realize you're wrong?"

3/17/2008 4:24:53 PM

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"^ What about the "Reverend" Wright humping the pulpit and accusing Bill Clinton of "ridin' dirty" like he did Monica concerning Clinton's treatment of Blacks? Where's your outrage? If that had been a conservative, you would have swooped in on foam-covered moonbat wings to defend him and denounce the "evil-Bush-neocon-Exxon dummyhead" that said it. "

When have I ever defending Clinton's blow job? When has ANYONE ever defended it?

You need to get past your Clinton derangement syndrome

3/17/2008 4:27:52 PM

^ It wasn't primarily about Clinton, dumbass; that was a secondary point. Try to focus:

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"What about the 'Reverend' Wright humping the pulpit and accusing Bill Clinton of 'ridin' dirty' like he did Monica concerning Clinton's treatment of Blacks? Where's your outrage? If that had been a conservative, you would have swooped in on foam-covered moonbat wings to defend him and denounce the 'evil-Bush-neocon-Exxon dummyhead' that said it."

Does your pastor hump the pulpit? If so, tell me what church it is so I'll know never to go there.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 4:50:27 PM

^ What does it matter if my pastor, your pastor, and anyone else's pastor humps a pulpit?

And it's hilarious that you get indignant about the blow job only to be more concerned about a pastor humping a pulpit.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 5:48 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2008 5:47:17 PM

its a matter of judgement. BO has shown none in is association with this nutball and he has very little to fall back on in his short career to show good stuff....which is why this is going to kill his campaign.

3/17/2008 8:12:37 PM

^nailed it.

3/17/2008 8:14:45 PM

^^ You're basing your judgment of Obama's judgement of Wright based on a few out of context clips, that weren't that bad considering the supposed craziness/time scale ratio they are painting of wright.

Obama is far from sunk as well. You are grossly neglecting his charisma and ability to appease reporters, considering he'll be giving a very high profile speech tomorrow relating to this issue. And on top of that, Wright does seem to be conscious and opinionated on many social issues, which makes me think there are likely some video clips of him saying things that most people would agree with (and considering the lame pickings Fox dug up against him, i'd guess there are MANY such clips).

You're looking at this through the lens that the media has created for you, and there is far from enough information to make a final judgment about wright. Of course, people have already done this, which is why I predict that Obama is going to further distance himself from Wright's STATEMENTS while not saying much or perhaps being positive about Wright's character. I also predict that the Obama camp (or someone) might even dig up some reasonable clips of Wright preaching, or show the full context of already released clips.

3/17/2008 8:56:39 PM

^yeah, you keep telling yourself they're out of context. And we have the "derangement syndrome". Hah.

3/17/2008 9:12:44 PM

^ huh? derangement syndrome is hooksaw's term for the left.

You are honestly telling me you think there's enough of the videos to determine context though? You feel confident in saying that?

3/17/2008 9:22:48 PM

It certainly could nail his campaign.

As has been repeatedly pointed out, we're not electing the pastor.

I think a lot will weigh on Obama's speech tomorrow. A lot of damage is already done, however.

I'd seen a video of this pastor long ago, but had no idea he was Barack Obama's pastor until yesterday. Mind you, I'm not particularly offended by any of his comments. Religious institutions swear no oath to our country. Whether we realize it or not, most of them tell us that gods do not either.

No, this is striking me as another manufactured scandal. Like former Pres. Clinton's comments in South Carolina. It makes for great television, but the substance doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Consider the facts on the pastor's side:

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"Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people."

All true.

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"Hillary can never know that."

Nope. She knows what it's like to have her husband get his dick sucked in office and then have the whole nation laugh at her for it, though. That's pretty tough.

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"Hillary ain't never been called a ......"

I'm not sure on this one. Perhaps by mistake. I know she's been called a bull-dyke, a reptilian alien, and a few other nasty things, but probably never a racial epithet.

UNTIL NOW

Hillary Clinton is a wetback.

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"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America. No. No. No. Not God Bless America. God damn America! That's in the Bible, for killing innocent people."

1. Uh check, check, and check (3 Strikes was more culturally relevant then), and damn if the government didn't want everyone to sing God Bless America. Why wouldn't a firebrand pastor be upset about these things? We can make a thread for each topic (drugs, prisons, and three strikes) if you're up to it.

2. He's entitled to his opinions besides.

3. I'm no Bible scholar, but I'm pretty sure the Bible gives the clear impression that killing innocent people incurs God's wrath. As a self-proclaimed "messenger of God" wouldn't a pastor be fulfilling his role in making such statements?

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"God damn America for treating your citizens as less than human."

Interesting point.

The government just engaged in a multi-billion dollar handout big enough to fund a year in Iraq War to an entity legally indistinct from you and I. Why? Unless equal protection and corporate personhood wandered into the realm of legal anachronisms without my knowledge, the government's message is clear:

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Dispute it all you want, but the double standard isn't even hiding. Imagine if it'd come down to race...

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"We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon. And we never batted an eye."

OMG MOSTLY CONTROVERSIAL FACTS

I'M SO INDIGNANT! I'VE TOTALLY BATTED MY EYES OVER THIS!!!1 :MAD:

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"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans. And now we are indignant! Because the stuff we have done overseas has been brought right back into our own front yard!"

All true. And we continue to fund and arm Sunnis who used to shoot at us in Iraq.

Conclusion?

An effective smear, but no more.

This entire campaign to weave this into a scandal relies on one thing: a short attention span.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 9:53 PM. Reason : code vomit]

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 9:57 PM. Reason : ...]

3/17/2008 9:52:06 PM

Well damn, I think I need to start contracting out my post-writing to Gamecat.

3/17/2008 10:00:47 PM

^^ (Does not necessarily correspond to your numbering.)

1. Wow, I guess you found a new church, huh? Good for you.

2. BTW--hypothetically speaking--some "Reverend" is giving David Duke a "lifetime achievement award" tomorrow. It just so happens that this same "Reverend" has been the spiritual advisor to a Republican presidential frontrunner for about twenty years--the association is totally cool, though, right?

3.

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"Religious institutions swear no oath to our country."

Yeah, but those institutions do receive 501(c)(3) tax exemptions and are prohibited from conducting political campaign activities to influence elections to public office. Whether such has happened at Trinity United Church of Christ remains an open question.

4. Then there's the "Black Value System"--just where is the good "Reverend" to defend all this, BTW? The hell out of Dodge, I'd say!

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

5. As an aside, why did Rolling Stone magazine change the title of a 2007 piece about Obama from "The Radical Roots of Barack Obama" to "Destiny's Child"? I mean, the media couldn't possibly be in the tank for Obama, could they? Nah.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13390609/campaign_08_the_radical_roots_of_barack_obama

6. Bottom line: Obama claimed he was at none of the offensive speeches in question. If someone can put him at just one, it'll show he lied and he's finished--believe it. Well, so much for a "post-racial" candidacy--a candidate sure as hell won't move beyond race as long as he or she clings to '60s-style radical propaganda, that's for sure.

3/17/2008 11:11:01 PM

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"1. Wow, I guess you found a new church, huh? Good for you."

Fuck that.

Bitches don't know 'bout my thetans.

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"2. BTW--hypothetically speaking--some "Reverend" is giving David Duke a "lifetime achievement award" tomorrow. It just so happens that this same "Reverend" has been the spiritual advisor to a Republican presidential frontrunner for about twenty years--the association is totally cool, though, right?"

Guilt by association doesn't stand up in a court of law, and it shouldn't stand up in the court of public opinion.

Period.

We're not electing the pastor.

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"Yeah, but those institutions do receive 501(c)(3) tax exemptions and are prohibited from conducting political campaign activities to influence elections to public office. Whether such has happened at Trinity United Church of Christ remains an open question."

Their receipt of tax exemption still doesn't obligate any allegiance. Sorry. You fail at conservatism.

And argument. You respond to the fact that no religion owes the United States government its blessing or allegiance with the tax exemption statute and an unfounded, totally baseless allegation about an unrelated topic.

Did I mention that we're not electing the pastor?

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"4. Then there's the "Black Value System"--just where is the good "Reverend" to defend all this, BTW? The hell out of Dodge, I'd say!"

Anyone can post a link and hysterical rhetoric.

Let's see you rebut anything on that link you posted. Just what the hell's so scary or wrong about it?

I think I might've covered this, too. Ah:

"This entire campaign to weave this into a scandal relies on one thing: a short attention span."

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"5. As an aside, why did Rolling Stone magazine change the title of a 2007 piece about Obama from "The Radical Roots of Barack Obama" to "Destiny's Child"? I mean, the media couldn't possibly be in the tank for Obama, could they? Nah."

LOL

Headlines.

You are just too damned easy.

"This entire campaign to weave this into a scandal relies on one thing: a short attention span."

Nevermind that the media simply exploits the short attention span for maximum profit.

So what if they are in the tank for him?

Why do you think that is?

It sells papers. It keeps you on their news channel.

You're the most anti-capitalist conservative I've ever encountered on this messageboard...

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"6. Bottom line: Obama claimed he was at none of the offensive speeches in question. If someone can put him at just one, it'll show he lied and he's finished--believe it. Well, so much for a "post-racial" candidacy--a candidate sure as hell won't move beyond race as long as he or she clings to '60s-style radical propaganda, that's for sure."

And if a photo (JUST ONE! OMFG) surfaces of John McCain fucking a panda while simultaneously jerking off George W. Bush onto Condoleeza Rice's face while Dick Cheney and Ben Bernanke watch, his candidacy is THROUGH!

The IF game is so much fun...

So is Clue.

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"hooksaw: It was Barack Obama, in the church, with the firebrand reverend!!!1"

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"internets: OMG YOU WON!!1"

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 11:58 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 11:45:52 PM

^

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"Guilt by association doesn't stand up in a court of law, and it shouldn't stand up in the court of public opinion."

The public is not logical and, as I've indicated, neither is politics

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"Their receipt of tax exemption still doesn't obligate any allegiance."

You brought up allegiance. In any event, the church is still required to abide by the law.

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"So what if they are in the tank for him? . . .You're the most anti-capitalist conservative I've ever encountered on this messageboard..."

Anti-capitalist? Me? You're an idiot! I never said Rolling Stone didn't have the right to change a year-old headline, I asked why they did. Have you ever heard of any publication doing such a thing--right in the middle of a political scandal?

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"It was Barack Obama, in the church, with the firebrand reverend!!!1"

Obama said he wasn't there--he's pinned himself down. This matters--trust me, I don't expect you to comprehend this.

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 12:14 AM. Reason : .]

3/18/2008 12:13:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNTGRL0OJWQ
Wright on Fox

^ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13390609/campaign_08_the_radical_roots_of_barack_obama It's still "the radical roots of obama" on their site.

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"6. Bottom line: Obama claimed he was at none of the offensive speeches in question. If someone can put him at just one, it'll show he lied and he's finished--believe it. Well, so much for a "post-racial" candidacy--a candidate sure as hell won't move beyond race as long as he or she clings to '60s-style radical propaganda, that's for sure. "

You do realize don't you that the clips they've been showing only come from 1 or 2 sermons? Considering how few clips they've been able to dredge up, it's easy to see how Obama could claim he wasn't at one of the ones they've been showing.

If they COULD put him at one, you're right, he's screwed. But Obama hasn't screwed up yet, and lying about something to simple would be really dumb for him, considering he openly admitted to doing coke.

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 12:27 AM. Reason : ]

3/18/2008 12:17:17 AM

^ From early 2007. FYI.

^ No, it's not. It's like herding cats with you idiots.

The link still shows the old title, but the title of the article itself has been changed to "Destiny's Child." Confirmation of the change from Jake Tapper, reporter with ABC News:

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"In a phone call with Wright, Obama cited a Rolling Stone story, 'The Radical Roots of Barack Obama,' (the name of which has curiously been changed on the RS website) and told him, according to Wright, 'You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we've decided is that it's best for you not to be out there in public.'"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/just-what-did-o.html

^ Are you serious with the "1 or 2"? Then how many times does the guy change clothes in one sermon? I've seen him in several shirts and suits and even a dashiki or two, I think.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH: I have absolutely no fear whatsoever of a Black president and would vote for one of either gender in a second--if he or she held sociopolitical positions somewhere in the ballpark of my own. My objection to Obama is based on his positions on the issues and to a lesser degree this messianic business that has become attached to him and that he has seemed to revel in.

Well, it's hardball time now. We'll see what happens.

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 12:36 AM. Reason : .]

3/18/2008 12:23:11 AM

^ it's also in the title of the page.

you're making a big deal out of it, considering the exact phrase STILL exists in the TITLE OF THE WEBPAGE and the URL. I realized at your age the internet is still relative new to you, but being the web page title is as good as being the article name.

Also, I haven't seen any conclusive proof that the page was changed, it seems everyone is repeating the same info from a single blog, but considering that the article still has the phrase in question, you're an idiot if you think it's meaningful in anyway.

And it's ludicrous to claim that it's evidence of the media being soft on obama no considering how they're misrepresenting the whole wright thing.

3/18/2008 12:32:47 AM

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"I've seen him in several shirts and suits and even a dashiki or two, I think. "

Oh my god black people are terrifying.

3/18/2008 12:33:26 AM

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jeremiah+wright&search_type=

judging by the clips there, it looks like 3 instances, unless he wears the same clothes lots of times.

3/18/2008 12:36:44 AM

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"FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH: I have absolutely no fear whatsoever of a Black president and would vote for one of either gender in a second--if he or she held sociopolitical positions somewhere in the ballpark of my own. My objection to Obama is based on his positions on the issues and to a lesser degree this messianic business that has become attached to him and that he has seemed to revel in."

Haha "I would vote for a black that votes against his own rational self interest."

Brilliant!

3/18/2008 12:37:09 AM

^^^^

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"you're an idiot if you think it's not meaningful in anyway [sic]."

Fixed. You see how that works?

And you're lying about the RS Web page--and you know it. The main title has been changed--stop with your fucking stupid sophistry.

^^^ I don't give a damn about the man's wardrobe, buffoon. I was simply pointing out that if the videos were actually from "1 or 2" sermons, he sure as hell changed clothes more than a Vegas showgirl.

Yeah, that logic only works if you believe in the entitlement model rather than the entrepreneurial model as a means of helping people to lift themselves out of poverty. The entitlement model, of course, doesn't do that and is simply a vicious circle. FYI.

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 12:45 AM. Reason : .]

3/18/2008 12:42:43 AM

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"Yeah, that logic only works if you believe in the entitlement model rather than the entrepreneurial model as a means of helping people to lift themselves out of poverty. The entitlement model, of course, doesn't do that and is simply a vicious circle. FYI. "

Yeah dude fuck black people. Affirmative action is just a government handout designed to "get back" at the white man. It's as racist as Nazi Germany!

Look at me -- I'm an oppressed white man. Oh my fucking God the minorities are gaining equality they are winning

3/18/2008 12:44:50 AM

^ Stupid and meaningless.

3/18/2008 12:47:24 AM

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"I don't give a damn about the man's wardrobe, buffoon. I was simply pointing out that if the videos were actually from "1 or 2" sermons, he sure as hell changed clothes more than a Vegas showgirl. "

You sure do love insulting other people. If that makes you feel better, then so be it, but you should really get some help with your self-esteem issues.

I wasn't talking about his clothes either, but it's clear that there are very few different sermons with wright making these controversial statements, and EASILY few enough that Obama, who wasn't a regular attender, could not have been there.

have you seen this? It's obama talking about this on Fox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmoScodDCcM

3/18/2008 12:47:26 AM

^ You can count these ^, yes? Clearly, I was referring to the other guy. Go count the ^s and report back.

Are you actually this stupid or are you just trying to be obtuse?

Fine if Obama wasn't there--I mean, it's hard to believe that in about twenty years he never heard any of this unless he just didn't go to church. My point was that if Obama could be placed in the church during one of these sermons that he said he never attended, he would have trouble. Stop being purposely thick, man.

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 12:53 AM. Reason : .]

3/18/2008 12:49:33 AM

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"^ Stupid and meaningless. "

Old, white, and increasingly irrelevant. It must be scary to live in a world where you're losing your perceived ascendancy.

3/18/2008 12:50:34 AM

^


I'll bet my life is a shitload better than yours--but think what you like, youngling. It matters not.

3/18/2008 12:55:23 AM

I'm not the one crying. You're the one terrified that the foreigners are taking over your country. Guess what, peckerwood? We are. Better learn to deal with it. America has been a nation of immigrants and it continues to be. Meanwhile white people, who have always controlled this country and continue to control this country, cry their eyes out over it.

Your life, better than mine? That's a tough point to argue -- aren't you a liberal studies MA student in your forties? That sounds like a solid failure to me; weren't you good enough for industry, or do you fail even at the conservative ideal of work ethic and contribution to industry/society that you judge others by?

3/18/2008 12:59:25 AM

^ Ha-ha! What a fucking douche bag! It's the old LS major bullshit again.

Do you even understand the program? No, of course you don't. For your edification, one is free to build any concentration one desires--I understand that this outside-the-box thinking is frightening to you. You mock what you don't understand--how pathetic.

3/18/2008 1:04:57 AM

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"My point was that if Obama could be placed in the church during one of these sermons that he said he never attended, he would have trouble. Stop being purposely thick, man. "

I'm not being obtuse, you apparently don't read my posts because I said "If they COULD put him at one, you're right, he's screwed. But Obama hasn't screwed up yet, and lying about something to simple would be really dumb for him, considering he openly admitted to doing coke." It's extremely unlikely they're going to be able to put him at one of the ones they've been showing video of.

But, a little about the UCC. A historically left leaning church that accepts gay marriage, and is predominantly white, but has the Wright's church as the single largest congregation with a supposed 8000 members including Oprah (according to some guy on Fox, I haven't been able to confirm this).
http://www.ucc.org/news/thomas-denounces-smear-1.html

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""Trinity UCC is rooted in and proud of its Afrocentric heritage," Thomas [the UCC's general minister and president] said. "This is no different than the hundreds of UCC churches from the German Evangelical and Reformed stream that continue to own and celebrate their German heritage, insisting on annual sausage and sauerkraut dinners and singing Stille Nacht on Christmas Eve. Recognizing and celebrating our distinctive racial-ethnic heritages, cultures, languages and customs are what make us unique as a united and uniting denomination." ... The Rev. Jane Fisler-Hoffman, Illinois Conference Minister, who is white, has been a member of the congregation for years. "Trinity is a destination church for many members of the UCC, a multi-racial, multi-cultural denomination that is largely Caucasian," Thomas pointed out...Contrary to the claims made in these hateful emails, UCC members know Trinity to be one of the most welcoming, hospitable and generous congregations in our denomination." "

Howard Dean was also a UCC member too.

Considering the apparent popularity of this church, the characterization of the preaching there by the media is most likely way off base.

3/18/2008 1:07:57 AM

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"Do you even understand the program?"

Why don't you enlighten us? What does it involve other than the bullshit humanities course you took on global warming (with no technical component)?

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"For your edification, one is free to build any concentration one desires--I understand that this outside-the-box thinking is frightening to you."

Haha so let's get this straight -- it lacks the rigor of having a defined curriculum. So what classes have you taken, and what is your thesis topic? Have you published in any reputable journals since being in graduate school? Have you produced any works of academic merit?

By the way, even saying "outside the box thinking" betrays a mind that is hilariously "inside the box." You're stuck on rails, and judging by the hilarity and uselessness of your academic pursuits, these are rails leading nowhere.

3/18/2008 1:09:18 AM

^


I'll bet my life is a shitload better than yours--but think what you like, youngling. It matters not.

Yeah, why don't you put it in State's complaint box that CHASS should be done away with. I'm sure they'll get right on it. Ha-ha!

3/18/2008 1:13:45 AM

There are plenty of things studied in CHASS that are valuable. I just doubt you're involved in any of it.

It's pretty funny that you keep posting the baby crying when it depicts you much better -- white, fussy, immature beyond belief, and shrill as fuck. Not to mention the baby doesn't know a goddamn thing and neither do you.

3/18/2008 1:17:19 AM

^ Assumption: The mother of all fuckups. Now piss off, LostClues, you annoy me.

Back on topic.

3/18/2008 1:26:06 AM

Yes back on topic -- the topic of your all-but-overt racism.

3/18/2008 1:27:45 AM

Back on topic.

3/18/2008 1:29:33 AM

Yes let's hear a bunch of racist peckerwoods like yourself talk about the black community and what it is justified and unjustified in believing.

This topic of conversation is sure to be highly in-touch with reality and wholly reasonable!

3/18/2008 1:31:41 AM

I just looked up peckerwood on wikipedia and it has ruined Woody the Woodpecker forever for me

It also makes the movie American History X make a tad more sense.

3/18/2008 1:37:13 AM

^^ haha

3/18/2008 1:39:25 AM

^ Ha-ha!

3/18/2008 2:01:23 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/18/ST2008031800062.html

Here's another well reasoned article on this issue.

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""The world is only seeing this tiny piece of him," Moss [Wright's protege] said. "Right now, we are all being vilified. This isn't just about Trinity, isn't just about [Wright]. This is an attack on the African American church tradition, and that's the way we see it. This is an attempt to silence our voice." ... Wright attracted a congregation that colleagues herald as the most diverse of any black church in the United States. Obama, Oprah Winfrey, gangsters, bankers, destitute women in ratty sweatshirts -- all cram into Trinity's pews, and Wright demanded that they all hold hands. When other black churches moved out of Chicago in the 1990s and relocated in the suburbs, Wright insisted that Trinity build a new church right next to its old one, half a block from the train tracks. ... "Things that might mean one thing in the church take on a new meaning when you don't see the full sermon, or understand the full context," said Dwight Howard, a theologian and a longtime Trinity member. ... Said Cone [writer about black liberation theology]: "There are moments for [Wright] when the anger, when the rage about what's happened to poor black people in the ghetto is so tough, so deeply painful, that he says things most whites would find off the charts and unpatriotic. But you don't preach in sound bites." ... Wright's portrayal has been typical of the misunderstanding of the black church, his peers said. The fact that Wright worked to empower one people, Atlanta theologian Jacquelyn Grant said, hardly qualifies him as racist. If he were racist, Wright's friends ask, why would he arrange bus trips for predominantly white congregations to visit Trinity each Sunday? If he were racist, why would he have steadfastly maintained Trinity's relationship with the United Church of Christ, a denomination with only a handful of black churches? "He's been a wonderful friend to white pastors, and he's gifted the organization financially," said UCC President John H. Thomas. "That charge is false." ... "

3/18/2008 2:04:53 AM

who cares if it is just a tiny piece? its a very ugly piece. for the life of me, I dont understand how anyone can sit here and try to justify those clips. context is irrelevant. he said what he said. he is a liar and is misleading his congregation to believe ridiculous allegations. BO shouldve known better and is going to pay for the nutball's words.

3/18/2008 8:36:30 AM

^ I doubt "BO" needs your support. He usually gets the more "educated" and "smart" vote... you know, people who don't draw conclusions and make sweeping judgements from 5 second fox news media clips. I'm pretty sure you're completely ignorant of black christian churches like this one (as am I) and of black culture as a whole.

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"context is irrelevant"

sums up how closed-minded and dense you are.

3/18/2008 8:56:17 AM

I'm not sure I've ever posted in here, so fuck it.

3/18/2008 9:26:18 AM