^^^^

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"um no. i know this is the lounge but how did this slide? please see the civil rights movement re: title 7 thats all."

No clue what you are talking about:

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" Protected class is a term used in United States anti-discrimination law. The term describes characteristics or factors which can not be targeted for discrimination and harassment. The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" and persons cannot be discriminated against based on these characteristics: * Race - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Civil Rights Act of 1866 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class "

Just what I said -- race is a protected class


[Edited on August 4, 2011 at 11:51 PM. Reason : p.s. Nice tits]

8/4/2011 11:48:48 PM

He must've read it "can." Otherwise his post makes no sense.

8/5/2011 12:07:11 AM

skokiaan, you said that race is a protected class as per the constitution, which is incorrect. then you went on the cite the act that i mentioned, way to go

and yes i do have very nice tits, this is already a widely known & accepted fact. again, good job!!!! its like saying, the sky is blue or today is friday. it's something everyone already knows...durrrr

anyway, this is off topic. back to the no-kids allowed movement

[Edited on August 5, 2011 at 8:57 AM. Reason : sdjf]

8/5/2011 8:49:44 AM

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"No clue what you are talking about"

The Civil Rights Act has nothing to do with Constitutional amendments.

8/5/2011 9:01:46 AM

Ah, so my argument doesn't actually change in anyway. She was just being pedantic.

8/5/2011 9:11:15 AM

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"The Civil Rights Act has nothing to do with Constitutional amendments."

It has everything to do with enforcing the 14th Amendment.

8/5/2011 11:44:22 AM

Is someone really arguing that race isn't a protected class?? I feel like 1st graders know that.

8/5/2011 12:02:07 PM

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[Edited on August 5, 2011 at 5:34 PM. Reason : derp, I'm an idiot]

8/5/2011 5:33:32 PM

^^ Naw, it's just an argument of semantics it looks like.


Yesterday my husband and I went to Lynnwood Grill for lunch. There was a toddler at the table next to us that was not screaming and obnoxious. Just chilled eating Cheerios and playing with crayons. Parents cleaned up after their kid and wiped up the Cheerios as they were leaving too. It was a refreshing change from the last two times we've sat next to children in restaurants

8/7/2011 11:17:55 AM

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"the majority of kids, who are well-behaved, are going to suffer because restaurant owners want to make sure that absolutely no kids cause any kind of disruption."

Ahh yes, I remember all of those times as a 7 year old when I was infinitely thankful that my parents let me come out to a nice restaurant where I had to stare at food I couldn't identify and joyfully sit quietly while I was told repeatedly not to squirm / scratch / talk. Man, thank GOD they saved me from an evening full of TV dinners and cartoons. That would've been torture!

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"it shouldn't mean that your kids always prevent you from doing normal, family activities."

Agreed, and your kids shouldn't prevent me from doing normal, adult, activities without having to listen to your children.

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"Kids have just as much right to go out and enjoy a restaurant as anyone else."

I was unaware that anyone had declared enjoying a restaurant as a human right. Also there is plenty of precedent with denying children privileges afforded to adults.

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"Just because I don't agree with your opinions on restaurants banning children, or when you should or should not remove a child from restaurant, doesn't make me a bad person."

Yes it does.

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"Some of you argue that parents should either be able to afford or a babysitter or not go out to eat.... why? Why should you be the one to determine what they should do?"

Good point. Fuck, why do we discriminate against people who can't afford to go out at all! Free meals for everyone! Who are you to be the one to determine that just because someone cannot afford something they should be denied it.

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"Maybe you should go to restaurants where people don't take kids."

That is exactly what these restaurants are trying to do.

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"If I take a kid to a restaurant, and the people behind me are constantly saying "fuck," or talking about anal sex with double-headed dildos, I'm not going to tell them to change their topic of conversation."

Yes, you would be perfectly within your rights in a restaurant to ask people to keep their voices down if they were discussing topics you felt inappropriate. I daresay that the majority of people would politely do so. If they persisted it would be perfectly appropriate to ask the management and allow them to decided since it is their establishment. If they decided against you then you've got the option of taking your kids elsewhere or sitting and listening to the conversation.

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"The amount of time my coworkers' skip in order to take their kid to the doctor, or to stay home with them, or to see one of their plays/graduations is ridiculous. I wonder how things would go if I were to take off-the-books vacation time to pursue one of my chosen life pursuits?"

Bingo.

8/8/2011 4:28:19 AM

the last one just sounds more like shitty management than a problem with children. we don't get magical time off for shit like that no matter who you are.

8/8/2011 12:00:59 PM

We do. It's pretty sweet, even though I have no kids.

8/8/2011 12:03:19 PM

We get time off for that sort of stuff too. Hell, if I wanted I could get time off to go with my husband to the doctor or to help out my parents. Maybe your employer sucks

8/8/2011 1:48:23 PM

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"Either way, the majority of kids, who are well-behaved, are going to suffer because restaurant owners want to make sure that absolutely no kids cause any kind of disruption."

The kids aren't going to suffer. What do you think the parents are going to say "Well they won't let us into Second Empire with you kids, we're just going to have to go hungry tonight"

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"Maybe you should go to restaurants where people don't take kids."

That's what this whole movement is about...

8/8/2011 3:00:49 PM

got behind a woman at subway today who had a rabble of four running around

Instead of just ordering for them she had to round up each one at a time to figure out what to put on the sandwich. Took me 20 minutes to get a sandwich.

8/8/2011 3:19:54 PM

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"Ahh yes, I remember all of those times as a 7 year old when I was infinitely thankful that my parents let me come out to a nice restaurant where I had to stare at food I couldn't identify and joyfully sit quietly while I was told repeatedly not to squirm / scratch / talk. Man, thank GOD they saved me from an evening full of TV dinners and cartoons. That would've been torture!"

Again, we're arguing for two different things. I certainly knew what a Happy Meal was when I was 7. I knew what I liked to eat on the buffet at Quincy's or Western Steer when I was 7. My parents didn't take me to fancy restaurants and I never once argued that doing so was a good idea.

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"I was unaware that anyone had declared enjoying a restaurant as a human right. Also there is plenty of precedent with denying children privileges afforded to adults."

I've already stated that I had no problem with restaurants banning children. I wouldn't ban them from a restaurant that I owned. There's plenty of precedent with protecting children as well.

8/9/2011 5:50:18 AM

If you can't afford a babysitter, maybe your broke ass doesn't need to be going out.

8/9/2011 6:56:15 AM

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"I've already stated that I had no problem with restaurants banning children. I wouldn't ban them from a restaurant that I owned. There's plenty of precedent with protecting children as well."

But I would be protecting children! By not allowing kids into my restaurant, I would definitely be protecting them from the furious wrath of the angry guests they annoy.

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"If you can't afford a babysitter, maybe your broke ass doesn't need to be going out."

that's the truth truth

[Edited on August 9, 2011 at 8:22 AM. Reason : .]

8/9/2011 8:21:39 AM

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"We get time off for that sort of stuff too. Hell, if I wanted I could get time off to go with my husband to the doctor or to help out my parents."

i leave early or work from home plenty, though not to the point it would be considered sickening. either the company has shit management (oh sure just do whatever) or you work more than i do. this really is a topic for another day though.

much of this thread IS pretty hateful though. i can understand the point of the policy for some places, but not the arguments anti-children people come up with. perhaps i was just blessed with patience.

[Edited on August 9, 2011 at 9:24 AM. Reason : eh]

8/9/2011 9:07:18 AM

^5

If you don't have a problem with it why did you write a 5 page essay about how much of a problem you have with it? You also called it "Dangerous" so I assume that's another problem you have with it.

[Edited on August 9, 2011 at 10:37 AM. Reason : ]

8/9/2011 10:37:01 AM

taking my 20th month old to Ruth Chris tonight for my mother in laws bday.

8/12/2011 12:18:34 PM

^ Make sure you're not a dick and set an example for people

8/12/2011 12:40:43 PM

the world would be a much better place if everyone started thinking of the things they do as privileges, and not declaring everything a right.

8/12/2011 12:58:10 PM

11/7/2011 1:17:10 AM

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"the world would be a much better place if everyone started thinking of the things they do as privileges, and not declaring everything a right."

+1 (with one minor exception... )

I have no problems with kids in an environment such as a restaurant. However, if as the gaurdian/adult/parent in charge you cannot contain a child's behavior to a respectable level, the business should reserve the right to evict the party from the premise. That should be a private business' right.



[Edited on November 7, 2011 at 5:51 AM. Reason : .]

11/7/2011 5:44:47 AM

^ That would create a big scene. Odds are a parent who can't control their kid isn't simply going to say 'Aw Shucks, I guess you're right, time to go kids. Here is my payment for my half eaten meal'

11/7/2011 5:56:38 AM

I was at the Angus Barn last night with my wife and her family, and some family brought a kid and it started crying... I was about to get pissed, but as soon as it started crying once we never heard it again... not sure if they took it out or just quieted it down.

11/7/2011 7:18:00 AM

^Hope you didn't order the veal that night.

11/7/2011 8:38:17 AM

^^

I was there, too on the other side of the family. The father took his steak knife and cut the kid's vocal cords out.

11/7/2011 10:41:38 AM

good for him! see, this is the type of parenting we need in restaurants!

11/7/2011 10:51:45 AM

I dont see why its so hard for parents to just not take thier kids to restaurants until they are old enough to appreciate it and behave there.

Guess what, you had kids, you can't do all the things you used to do.

11/7/2011 11:07:10 AM

How dare anyone that bothers me show their face in public?

11/7/2011 11:34:53 AM

^Because that is a perfect description of what we are talking about here...

11/7/2011 11:36:19 AM

I was at Costco the other day and someone's caterwauling toddler was acting up. A Grandma type figure came
over and said something to the kid (couldn't hear),and the kid was like and shut right up. Better yet, it was quiet when I saw it about 20 minutes later.

That elderly woman needs a gold medal for parenting, and probably has 15 grandkids.

11/7/2011 5:49:39 PM

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"About time. Maybe it's just me, but it seems as though parents are unable and unwilling to stop their kids from being nuisances to others when in public. Back in my day, you'd get your ass beat for acting like a jackass."

agree

11/7/2011 6:35:23 PM

You just remember the bad ones, generally.

11/7/2011 11:06:43 PM

pretty much. I love good kids, but I want to punch bad kids in the grundle. Bad kids are the aids.

11/7/2011 11:46:50 PM

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""The amount of time my coworkers' skip in order to take their kid to the doctor, or to stay home with them, or to see one of their plays/graduations is ridiculous. I wonder how things would go if I were to take off-the-books vacation time to pursue one of my chosen life pursuits?""

Man I wish this was true. I have to use vacation if I do ANYTHING involving my son. Lately I have been going back to work after my husband comes home to make up the time (or going in on the weekend).

Before I had kids, I was fine seeing kids out at the table next to me; however, I have seen kids at a bar and then I was quite weary as I wouldn't expect that.

My husband and I do take our son out with us and then go for a family walk. We deem this as family time. We wouldn't go to the Angus Barn (well I personally haven't had anything there I liked) with him. We do tend to go to more family oriented places and stay away from typical date times. I don't mind a restaurant banning kids. I probably would never frequent it even if I had a babysitter. I know my siblings have also stated this and they do not have kids.

11/8/2011 6:54:46 AM

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"I have to use vacation if I do ANYTHING involving my son."

as it should be

11/8/2011 7:06:57 AM

lol if only Tommy Lee Jones gave parenting classes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PavXczeV5JM

11/8/2011 9:32:35 PM

I see a lot of posts from many w/o kids. Your tune will change when you have your own. My kids only go to restaurants with a order counter, a kids meal, or get crayons when we are seated.

11/8/2011 9:44:04 PM

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"Your tune will change when you have your own. "

I love this sentiment. "You too will be an asshole in public with your kids. You'll seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"

That certainly wasn't the case even as recent as 10 years ago. And I sure as hell can't imagine the sort of behavior you see in public happening in our grandparents' generation.

11/8/2011 9:47:53 PM

Hey, my kids have had their asses spanked in parking lots. In this age, that may be looked on as abuse.

11/8/2011 9:57:08 PM

One thing wrong about parenting these days; no one teaches patience. Adults use distractions to help their children behave (ie: Nintendo DS, Ipods, portable DVD players, etc). Nothing wrong with having those devices, however, there are appropriate times and places for those things.

11/8/2011 10:21:07 PM

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"Hey, my kids have had their asses spanked in parking lots. In this age, that may be looked on as abuse."

never had to have my ass kicked in public. i wonder what you're doing wrong at home if your child acts out in public to the point where you have to beat them

11/9/2011 8:03:22 AM

This is Lounge man, stop with the trolling already

11/9/2011 8:31:41 AM

It's not trolling just because it makes you uncomfortable. The topic of this thread is closely tied to how children behave in public so it seems on topic to me.

I agree with McDanger. You don't have to hit your children to discipline them (even in public) and it really doesn't help in the long run. Use the car as time out or just take them home if they're not willing to cooperate. Worked for us.

11/9/2011 9:05:05 AM

I never got hit in public. What I feared worse was my mom's pinches on my butt. They hurt like hell and I knew that if I made a sound, I would get a second helping and then some... I learned real quick; don't act up and I don't get pinched... Easy enough.

So to some degree, I agree with McDanger

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 9:59 AM. Reason : ..]

11/9/2011 9:58:43 AM

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"Your tune will change when you have your own. My kids only go to restaurants with a order counter, a kids meal, or get crayons when we are seated."

So basically you agree, in your actions, with all of us that parents shouldn't be bringing kids to nicer restaurants where they will bother people, but you think we're all going to change how we think?

What am I missing here?

11/9/2011 10:13:59 AM

spanking /= beating

11/9/2011 10:18:14 AM