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moron
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^ It should be harder to find people willing to say that to a news reporter in front of a TV camera.

10/15/2008 4:22:22 PM

wilso
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"“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?

“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not going to discover that. That’s why I say that some of that may have to happen after the election, when they get to know you.”"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Obama_Fox_worth_23_points.html?showall

10/15/2008 4:48:41 PM

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"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0"


that's some scary shit

10/15/2008 5:29:58 PM

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from Daniel Primack's private equity newsletter:

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"*** Did Barack Obama just propose to eliminate capital gains taxes on venture capitalists? The same Barack Obama who most VCs believe will increase their tax burdens?
The answer seems to be yes, upon my first reading of a new economic stimulus plan released yesterday, called the Small Business Emergency Rescue Plan.

Here’s a snippet:

"Barack Obama believes that we need to encourage investment in small businesses to help create jobs and turn our economy around. That’s why Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on investments made in small and start-up businesses. Unlike John McCain, who wants to give $200 billion in new tax cuts to America’s largest and most profitable businesses, Barack Obama wants to cut taxes for the small businesses that create jobs but struggling with restricted access to credit alongside skyrocketing health care and energy costs."

That would seem to cover venture capitalists, or at least those who still engage in early-stage investing. I’ve put in a call to Obama’s campaign to see if there’s any fine print that would exclude institutional investment, but have not yet gotten a call back. At the very least, angel investors would seem to be covered.

The only caveat (today’s secret word), and it’s a big one, is that Obama favors a change in the tax treatment of carried interest — from capital gains to ordinary income. That means the new proposal would be irrelevant for most institutional VCs, since they would no longer be paying the capital gains tax that Obama now vows to eliminate. If this new plan were enacted absent the carried interest change, however, it could not only spur angel investment, but also prompt VC firms to increase their early-stage activities…

Obama’s new plan also includes an emergency lending facility for small businesses, which would be run through the SBA. You can download the full plan here, and also read some reaction from the NVCA. "

10/15/2008 6:10:34 PM

Ytsejam
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Doesn't Obama want to place a "sales tax" on stock purchases? I mean, I saw a clip of him talking yesterday where he said this, though I don't know the details.

10/15/2008 6:13:53 PM

aaronburro
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so tell me, under Obama's plan, if Wal-mart hires new employees, do they get those tax credits? If so, then doesn't that equate to tax cuts for "big corporations" as well? Gotta love the spin-job by Obama and the media, though.

10/15/2008 6:22:30 PM

ssjamind
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yup - definitely a lot of spinning going on.

furthermore, i think Obama's been doing a lot of pandering to the base - no way in hell he will be as much of a socialist as he sounds. he's too smart, and surrounded by U of Chicago economics guys..

10/15/2008 6:24:44 PM

Novicane
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his plan is better than the status quo.

10/15/2008 6:27:11 PM

aaronburro
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is it? As far as I can tell, his only real plan is to say he isn't George W. Bush.

And, after perusing Obama's website and then taking a shower to feel cleaner, I see that he doesn't say which companies will get that tax-credit. So, if Wal-mart goes out and hires a bunch of people, then I don't really see how it is any different than McCain's "200billion to big corporations." Who will most be able to hire new workers? The largest companies.

10/15/2008 6:35:41 PM

jwb9984
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so long as they're increasing the size of the american workforce, what's the problem?

10/15/2008 6:58:30 PM

nutsmackr
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^^He does too, he says small businesses.

on the side stride too, small businesses account for the majority of employment in this country.

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 7:11 PM. Reason : .]

10/15/2008 7:01:44 PM

skokiaan
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expectations are now so low for mccain, he will probably "win" this debate.

10/15/2008 7:22:13 PM

TKEshultz
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you serious

mccain will not win this debate

not even come close

10/15/2008 7:37:36 PM

aaronburro
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^^^ I see nowhere on his website where he says "small businesses." In fact, with all of his lip-service to small-business, it is surprising that nowhere in the bullet point where he proposes the credit does he use the term "small business." Instead, he says "companies," which, frankly, includes Wal-mart and Microsoft.

And, when I hear him speak, he usually doesn't say it is for "small-businesses." He almost always says "companies."

10/15/2008 9:12:36 PM

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McCain = desperate. How much rehearsal did he have about the Ayers topic? It's a really really sad tactic to say Obama started his political career in Ayers campaign when that has already been proven false.

10/15/2008 10:03:38 PM

aaronburro
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McCain looked far from desperate tonight.

10/15/2008 10:41:41 PM

Panthro
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^ if by
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you mean, far beyond, then yes...you are correct.

He was absolutely desperate. Not a bad thing. It made him sharper.

But the desperation fueled the fight tonight.

10/15/2008 10:50:45 PM

skokiaan
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"expectations are now so low for mccain, he will probably "win" this debate."


Sounds like I was right

10/15/2008 10:56:22 PM

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i'll again repeat that the moderator tonight did a much better job than power-hungry lehrer and brokaw did in the first two debates...he really let the candidates talk back and forth much more than the previous two debates...i wish we couldve seen that in the first 2 debates

10/15/2008 10:58:00 PM

Panthro
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for the first time in weeks, Twista.

I agree with you.

10/15/2008 10:59:49 PM

TreeTwista10
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shut up fool, you agree with 99% of my fantasy football assessments

10/15/2008 11:00:15 PM

aaronburro
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"Sounds like I was right"

no. McCain won the debate by actually kicking ass. I'm sorry that your messiah blinders don't allow you to see this

10/15/2008 11:01:51 PM

Shrike
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I feel bad for you burro, all this false hope is going to make November 4 so hard for you.

10/15/2008 11:07:05 PM

aaronburro
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nope. Nov. 4th is gonna suck no matter who wins.

10/15/2008 11:08:14 PM

EarthDogg
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^... as we trade the failed policies of one administration for the failed policies of another.

10/15/2008 11:12:36 PM

EarthDogg
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^... as we trade the failed policies of one administration for the failed policies of another.

10/15/2008 11:12:36 PM

skokiaan
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Does anyone ever think about Cindy McCain fucking John McCain? It must be awkward.

10/15/2008 11:28:26 PM

aaronburro
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maybe, but I don't ever picture john mccain in it. why the fuck would i?

10/15/2008 11:33:54 PM

TreeTwista10
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I'm glad both candidates could briefly come together, as Bears fans and Cardinals fans...for their mutual loathing of the Dallas Cowboys

10/15/2008 11:36:02 PM

hooksaw
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^x3 It's an inappropriate question, but I'm sure they were more active in that department when they were younger.





(Yes, I know the chronology of the photos doesn't exactly jibe.)

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 11:41 PM. Reason : .]

10/15/2008 11:41:04 PM

nutsmackr
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not as inappropriate as you fucking 12 year olds.

10/15/2008 11:50:46 PM

TreeTwista10
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suspend?

10/15/2008 11:53:21 PM

Supplanter
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"no. McCain won the debate by actually kicking ass. I'm sorry that your messiah blinders don't allow you to see this"


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"CBS poll of undecided voters:

Who won the debate?

McCain (R) 22
Obama (D) 53"

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"CNN poll of voters who watched debate:

Who won the debate?

McCain (R) 31
Obama (D) 58"


I'm not quite sure there is anyway to fit over half the undecided voters polled under a partisan blinders umbrella.

I thought it was a great line when Obama said we need to focus on the economy, & all of the other issues, instead of focusing on whose feelings are hurt.

10/16/2008 12:16:16 AM

wilso
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10/16/2008 12:22:57 AM

carzak
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Palin: 'I'm not doing negative campaigning at all.'

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/14614

The audacity it takes to say this is incomprehensible to me.

10/16/2008 1:11:46 AM

skokiaan
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Palin is insignificant. The only people who care about her are men that want to bang her (95%).

10/16/2008 1:34:11 AM

moron
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^ Palin is completely insane, I think.

She's definitely closer to Bush's personality and style than McCain, by a very wide margin.

10/16/2008 1:34:57 AM

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^^^thats the thing...in her opinion she probably isnt...she probably truly believes that

10/16/2008 1:36:36 AM

moron
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^ no, she knows she's full of it. She's just a better liar than McCain.

10/16/2008 1:45:36 AM

God
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http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/90-percent_ad

It's over. Call it.

10/16/2008 8:55:18 AM

skokiaan
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Obama is hoping that the economy gets worse and Mccain is hoping for a terrorist attack.

10/16/2008 9:11:54 AM

Shrike
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If the economy gets any worse Obama is just going to concede to McCain and be like "You know what? Fuck it. Fix your own damn mess."

10/16/2008 9:34:44 AM

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10/16/2008 9:51:50 AM

LunaK
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damn it was already posted.....

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 10:15 AM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 10:15:06 AM

eyedrb
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tax breaks for coorporations? Oh no

When was the last time a poor person gave someone a job?

10/16/2008 10:50:26 AM

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"If the economy gets any worse Obama is just going to concede to McCain and be like "You know what? Fuck it. Fix your own damn mess."


Let's not re-write history. Both parties are to blame for this mess. The democrats pushed through the legislation that forced banks to write bad loans, and the republicans failed to reform the legislation when they were in control.

A pres. Obama will try all sorts of socialist "solutions" to fix the economy without success...then the even worse mess will truly be his to own.

10/16/2008 10:52:03 AM

eyedrb
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^right but harder to recover from. You have to remember it was govt intervention that first started this mess... more of it isnt the answer.

10/16/2008 10:53:43 AM

God
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"more of it isnt the answer."


I guess that's why your candidate is calling for more government regulation. Oh, and he also wants the government to purchase everyone's house who is foreclosing.

10/16/2008 10:55:57 AM

eyedrb
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU

funny stuff. IF palin did this it would be the first story on every news tonight.

10/16/2008 10:56:02 AM

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poor people give people jobs by buying stuff

without poor people walmart wouldnt exist

10/16/2008 11:14:56 AM

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