How fucked is the GOP going into the 2006 elections?

A. Completely and totally fucked
B. Moderately fucked
C. Possibly fucked, but possibly not fucked
D. Generally not fucked
E. Two words: Karl Rove
F. I blame Bush

Prompted by the WAPO article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/10/AR2005091001016.html

9/12/2005 7:15:37 AM

G. Will not be fucked until the DNC gets tired of fucking itself.

9/12/2005 7:51:24 AM

G

9/12/2005 8:14:42 AM

G.

i mean... the DNC couldn't capitalize on what happened in the first 4 years, what makes anyone think they'll be capable of capitalizing on what's happened so far in these 4 years?

9/12/2005 8:15:40 AM

G. Everyone else is choosing it.

9/12/2005 9:04:32 AM

E.

9/12/2005 9:13:09 AM

E

9/12/2005 9:21:35 AM

Quote :

"If Congressional Elections were held today, who do you lean toward voting for: Democrats 50% Republicans 38%"

9/12/2005 10:15:54 AM

see, thats why you gotta choose G

even with all the shit going on right now
dems can still only muster 50%
and since pryderi posted it, you have to consider the source has at least some liberal slant, so the poll probably did too...

9/12/2005 10:18:08 AM

^^
OK so are you voting A or F?

9/12/2005 10:19:59 AM

Quote :

"G. Will not be fucked until the DNC gets tired of fucking itself."

9/12/2005 10:20:03 AM

oh, and dont forget that its not like there are any districts in real jeopardy of becoming a battleground...

9/12/2005 10:22:55 AM

The GOP will probably gain even more seats in Congress in '06. I have faith in the american people.

9/12/2005 10:23:21 AM

The GOP is going down!!1

9/12/2005 10:23:53 AM

honestly, E. Lets find a republican from Arkansaw next time

9/12/2005 10:30:23 AM

Quote :

"G. Will not be fucked until the DNC gets tired of fucking itself."

We are between "miserable group of idiots" and "miserable group of idiots".

9/12/2005 11:01:22 AM

^ Sums it up

9/12/2005 11:16:15 AM

Dude, I've lost faith in the American public being able to dig deeper into issues.

Because of this, I fully believe in Karl Rove's ability to spin any disadvantage either to irrelevance or turn it around into an asset.

The man is better then Microsoft's marketing machine.

E

9/12/2005 11:50:46 AM

G.

A lot can happen between this year and November '06. Besides, Congressional Republicans can just point fingers at Bush, and he might just take it since he's not facing reelection in the near future.

9/12/2005 11:52:23 AM

E

9/12/2005 12:59:56 PM

G.

9/12/2005 1:12:08 PM

9/12/2005 7:12:24 PM

39%:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll

38%:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9280375/site/newsweek/

9/12/2005 10:53:25 PM

B

9/12/2005 10:54:25 PM

You should check tradesports. They have it 50/50 on the next election. And that's a free market where people put their money where their mouths are...

9/12/2005 11:06:16 PM

How can the GOP be fucked when they have no credible opposition?

9/12/2005 11:08:38 PM

If the GOP is fucked, then what is the opposition? perhaps raped?

9/12/2005 11:10:09 PM

boonedocks -

46%:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-12-katrina-poll_x.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/12/katrina.race.poll/index.html

[Edited on September 12, 2005 at 11:14 PM. Reason : ---]

9/12/2005 11:13:40 PM

G

9/12/2005 11:40:32 PM

B. Moderately fucked

9/12/2005 11:50:22 PM

You had to see this coming, but I'll go with:

Quote :

"C. Possibly fucked, but possibly not fucked"

Incumbents are going to suffer in some of the few districts that are still competitive. A few here and there will be surprisingly close. Naturally this will impact the GOP more than the Democrats, that's just the numbers, but I'd say they're far from being "fucked."

9/12/2005 11:59:07 PM

D.

9/13/2005 1:09:32 AM

All Bush had to do is cause the price of gas to plummet back to even about 2/gallon, and it would set the GOP straight again.

With Iraq getting itself together, and maybe focusing on their oil production some, I wouldn't be surprised if Bush could swing this.

9/13/2005 1:39:31 AM

We don't even have the road to the airport secured at this point. I'm not counting on Iraqi oil anytime soon.

But yeah, the price of gas going down below $2.50 buys the GOP some time. People will forget about Katrina soon enough.

Although I really buy into this tipping point idea. I've heard more folks the last couple of weeks that have voted for Bush to blow off steam than ever before. Interesting times.

9/13/2005 1:47:23 AM

[Edited on September 13, 2005 at 10:01 AM. Reason : -]

9/13/2005 9:33:44 AM

If Iraq's constitution doesn't get passed by the general vote, that doesn't bode well for things. The smart money says civil war in 3 years regardless.

The dems do need someone credible, and Hillary it ain't. She's probably the most devisive candidate they can offer. Go with a moderate vanilla guy with good presence - I'd say go with Bayh.

9/13/2005 9:45:07 AM

Yes.

I hope that they can come up with a non-controversial candidate that would be a strong leader but be "middle of the road."

9/13/2005 9:52:25 AM

G

9/13/2005 9:57:10 AM

Quote :

"Johnny Swank: The dems do need someone credible, and Hillary it ain't."

Which is sad, b/c I'd actually work on Hillary's campaign (assuming she's not running against George Allen or Condi).

I'll take a flaming neo-Communist with hawk tendencies and a spine over some John McCain-esque Republicrat / Demopublican any day...

9/13/2005 1:51:38 PM

Quote :

"I'll take a flaming neo-Communist with hawk tendencies and a spine over some John McCain-esque Republicrat / Demopublican any day..."

You would rather an extremist than a moderate?

9/13/2005 2:14:14 PM

I'm afraid I'm with Shadowrunner on this one. It's definitely D. Fucking shame.

9/13/2005 2:40:45 PM

^^
I would rather someone with conviction over someone going off polls and focus groups making decisions based on how they think it will benefit them politically, [yes]

9/13/2005 3:38:00 PM

^YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. GEORGE BUSH, OR ANY OTHER PRESIDENT, SHOULD NEVER WONDER WHAT HIS CITIZENRY NEEDS. HE HAS CONVICTIONS!

[Edited on September 13, 2005 at 4:10 PM. Reason : sss]

9/13/2005 4:09:13 PM

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

[Edited on September 13, 2005 at 4:30 PM. Reason : stfu kkthxbye]

9/13/2005 4:30:16 PM

So you're arguing that you would prefer a president with convictions over one who polls to find out where he can benefit politically?

Okay, are you aware that all politicians poll? Are you aware that a sector of the economy would be greatly diminished if political polling stopped?

9/13/2005 4:53:25 PM

Also, a president can have convictions AND take polls to see where political gain is to be made.

Evidence: Bill Clinton and the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

Popular in the polls? No. Poltical benefits for Clinton? None.

Yet he still went ahead and pushed it. It was part of his convictions.

9/13/2005 4:58:43 PM

Seems to me, TGD, that you have a problem with folks when their convictions don't match yours.

9/13/2005 4:59:34 PM

I really don't know where to begin, between the "OMF pollsters will go out of business!!1" and the use of Bill Clinton as an example of principled leadership...

So I guess I'll just respond to this one here:

Quote :

"BridgetSPK: Seems to me, TGD, that you have a problem with folks when their convictions don't match yours."

Did you not read the thread?


[Edited on September 13, 2005 at 5:08 PM. Reason : ]

9/13/2005 5:07:20 PM

g

9/13/2005 5:11:15 PM

Seems to me, BridgetSPK, that you have a problem keeping all your current thoughts in a single post.

I believe you missed the point on TGD's comments. Polling is fine for getting a feel for what the public wants and possible backlash, etc. Its normal. Where TGD is saying he has a problem is when someone's platform is derived, in essence, completely from these polls and not on convictions. It leads to them being too wishy-washy and unable to count on. The right decision isn't always going to be what the polls indicate (what the public wants) but someone sanding by their convictions will do it regardless because they feel it is in the best interest of the country. If there is a Democratic president, I want to know how they are going to respond and what their general philosphy on key issues are. I don't want it to be a flavor of the day mentality. I might disagree with a Democratic President on things but at least I know where he/she is going and what their intentions are.

9/13/2005 5:13:49 PM