Okay, so there were these flyers on campus today, and they were accusing some campus police officer of corruption. Anyway, there was a "Learn More" line that directed me to a website for more information, but I can't remember the website.

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

If we can find the website, we can post and talk about it and stuff...

3/17/2006 1:05:14 PM

whoever did those forgot a good piece of advice

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"don't fuck with them. they're COPS man."

3/17/2006 1:11:39 PM

We already know which officer this is going to be about.

3/17/2006 1:47:03 PM

Yea.

I wouldn't mess with cops.

3/17/2006 2:24:52 PM

http://www.abuseofpoweratncstate.com/

EDIT: Looks like someone's still pissed about a grade.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 2:28 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2006 2:27:17 PM

ahaha what a tool
if you dont like the questions just lie about the answer

god damn uppity kids

3/17/2006 2:56:16 PM

i just read through all of that.

it's disturbing.

3/17/2006 5:19:10 PM

I'm reading through it now... it seems like a very legitimate complaint.

This is the only picture of the woman in question (Tracy Robinson) that I could find on NCSU's website:


But maybe she is at Northeastern University now? This looks like the same chick and she has the same name:




[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 6:07 PM. Reason : A visual]

3/17/2006 6:01:42 PM

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"30thAnnZ: i just read through all of that. it's disturbing."

haha [no] -- the fact you read through all of that is what's disturbing

3/17/2006 6:15:13 PM

summary plz

3/17/2006 6:15:58 PM

I'm on Part Three, and to use 30thAnnZ's word, this is disturbing.

^We can give you a summary, but this is so ridiculous on the part of the University, that you won't believe it. You gotta read it, man.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 6:23 PM. Reason : sss]

3/17/2006 6:22:01 PM

So, whats the corruption about?

3/17/2006 6:27:49 PM

oh i don't know

how about the university making a bunch of shit up, lying about it, and covering up illegal activity

3/17/2006 6:35:54 PM

^I assumed that much.

3/17/2006 6:49:09 PM

Having read the entire thing, I must admit that, for a second, I was slightly nervous about the fact that I brought this matter to TWW. These people could ruin me if they felt like it. I can't wait until I graduate so I can send out e-mails to remind these fucks to be ashamed of themselves.

JohnHGuth and Kodiak, you didn't even get into it. If you read it all the way through, you would not call this kid a tool or assume he's bitching about a grade.

Also I hope he gets a civil suit and wins big on the punitive damages. If I had experienced this type of injustice, I would have lost it.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 7:51 PM. Reason : Oh well, time to watch the game! ]

3/17/2006 7:36:34 PM

I just read the whole thing and in short, I am disgusted

Sadly it reminds me of all the times I've applied for in-state tutition and turned down on a BS basis
If only I had 1/2 the tenacity this guy did

3/17/2006 7:40:30 PM

he keeps talking about it being unfair that they had to wait for the professor to come back to school

but it would be unfair to the professor to do anything without the professor being there...even if she did something wrong

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 7:55 PM. Reason : xc]

3/17/2006 7:55:02 PM

^She was in town. Running workshops and teaching a class at the McKimmon Center. Yet he was told she was "out of the country."

Also, Chancellor Fox suggested that Dr. Robinson was not required to appear anyway because her employment with the University had changed from the College of Education (where he filed his grievance) to the McKimmon Center.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 8:01 PM. Reason : sss]

3/17/2006 7:55:53 PM

i just got to that page

but he still had no basis for that complaint...until he found out she was on campus


and i'm guess this is where everything starts to hit the fan

3/17/2006 8:01:46 PM

yeah basically he was lied to at every step of the way the moment he filed a grievance

then they had the nerve to give him a trespassing issue and said they had witnesses who were scared of him...although he had been in the building he was alleged to have trespassed maybe 3 times over a year, and that was only to obtain copies of reports and letters he needed for his case


also they put down the wrong GPA in his grad school application, acknowledged they did, and then said "well you wouldnt have gotten in anway"

3/17/2006 8:20:23 PM

there's no such thing as "fair" when it comes to university procedure

either you comply with it or you don't

the stuff the lawyer sent him about not making himself available for the grievance procedure holds up because of the way the system was created...fair or not

3/17/2006 8:26:11 PM

This reminds me of the multi-page treatises I used to get working at the North Carolina State Bar from inmates who had spent a little too much time in the prison law library...

"My attorney wronged me. Pursuant to ___________, Section _________, Paragraph _______, of ___________, and case _____________, I admit I killed the first 3 people but never should have been convicted of killing the fourth. Pursuant to the Amendment VIII of the United States Constitution I demand to be released immediately."

3/17/2006 8:35:02 PM

the thing with her revising the assignment for the next semester is the exact reason i don't fill out in depth end of semester evaluations with tips for improvement

it won't help me...

3/17/2006 8:46:30 PM

It kind of started out from his being a bitch about it (I mean, damn, just fucking bullshit if you don't want to spill your personal history), but, yeah, seems like they fucked him over.

3/17/2006 9:01:37 PM

TGD, did you read the whole thing?

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"It kind of started out from his being a bitch about it (I mean, damn, just fucking bullshit if you don't want to spill your personal history), but, yeah, seems like they fucked him over."

No, you shouldn't have to spill your sexual orientation and gender identity in the first place.

Furthermore, it seems like they fucked him over???

No, they did fuck him over.

3/17/2006 9:17:26 PM

^
No, he says they fucked him over. The only actual evidence of it is that he says so. I agree with his position on the assignment, but everything from that point on requires a tremendous leap of faith on this guy's trustworthiness...which, frankly, is difficult considering he has just as much motive to misrepresent events as those he claims wronged him.

And yes, I read every single page and all the attachments. Hence my commentary to 30thAnnZ.

3/17/2006 9:33:49 PM

Don't know if this matters to you, but he did have most of the letters available to look at. You looked at them, I guess. General critical thinking skills lead me to believe he is telling the truth...why would he have wasted his time with those letters in the first place? And then the website?

Leap of faith?

NOT AT ALL.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:53 PM. Reason : NOT AT ALL!!!]

3/17/2006 9:43:47 PM

personally, i probably would've just put something down (perhaps fictional) on that narrative. a few white lies wouldn't have hurt the professor any. and then i'd've just written scathing comments at the end of the semester to vent.

i can see how some plain old incompetence could have factored into the incorrect grade and whatnot...people screw up all the time, so it [i]might[/] not have been deliberate.

but i have to say that the whole trespassing part makes the campus police look pretty bad

3/17/2006 10:09:47 PM

i honestly don't really know what to think

obviously we are hearing just one side of the story with facts from supporting documents

BUT

the Univeristy has had every opportunity to address this issue and seem to have failed.


I think my biggest issue with the whole thing is this:

why hasn't a lawyer taken this case. huge potential for a nice chunk of change and some nice publicity, he says he had a lawyer write a letter, but why does he not have a lawyer, a lawyer could make this end quickly

the grade issue is the most concerning part of it to me. who or what is to say it can't accidentally happen to others.

a formal investigation SHOULD definitely be raised regarding that issue.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 10:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2006 10:11:18 PM

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"No, you shouldn't have to spill your sexual orientation and gender identity in the first place."

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"just fucking bullshit if you don't want to spill your personal history"

I'm not saying the question was inappropriate. I'm saying the best thing to do, if he was uncomfortable being honest, would be to just bullshit it. Unless he'd ever fucked the teacher, I don't think she'd know the difference. Then, if he was so genuinely concerned, he could have gone to the teacher and said "You know, this might make some people really uncomfortable." If she didn't give a shit and it still bothered him, he could have then gone to her superiors.

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"why would he have wasted his time with those letters in the first place?"

It's clear that it is INCREDIBLY important to him that he get into this grad school program. I'm not saying he's making it up, but it seems that he might, given the circumstances, be the type of person who would do whatever he can to lawyer his way into the program.

3/17/2006 10:35:23 PM

well, it seems that in his first meeting he could have basically asked to be admitted and they would have done it

your first point is the pussy way to do it. someone has to take the lead to get injustices corrected

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 10:38 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2006 10:37:30 PM

You know what's a bad idea?

Being asked if you want to be admitted into somebody's graduate program

and answering "Not if she's running it."

3/17/2006 10:38:38 PM

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"I'm not saying the question was inappropriate. I'm saying the best thing to do, if he was uncomfortable being honest, would be to just bullshit it."

No, that's the EASIEST thing to do.

3/17/2006 10:43:07 PM

I guess it comes down to whether or not one offensive question is or isn't worth going to grad school over.

3/17/2006 10:47:18 PM

^No. That's not what it comes down to, and you know it. Please edit that post.

3/17/2006 10:49:25 PM

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"Please edit that post."

Every time you say that to someone, whether I agree with them or not, it reminds me (as if I needed reminding) that you are one of the worst fucking posters ever to grace the soap box.

3/17/2006 10:50:51 PM

agree with you but do you truly believe your statement above?

3/17/2006 10:53:25 PM

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"BridgetSPK: why would he have wasted his time with those letters in the first place? And then the website?"

You are entirely too trusting of people. After you graduate I hope you take a job in the public sector, even if it's just briefly for the experience...you will be amazed at the volume of, shall we say, "zealous" people that write multi-page treatises on miscellaneous wrongs perpetrated against them...

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 11:02 PM. Reason : write, ack]

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 11:03 PM. Reason : perpetrated, double ack -- fuck TWW and its erosion of my typing skills...]

3/17/2006 10:56:57 PM

I believe my statement above in the hypothetical situation posited by Bridget.

As in, if one were to be presented with this situation, what would one do? I am not saying the university handled this at all in a remotely reasonable way (after a point), based on this person's account. I'm saying that, with the benefit of hindsight, it would have been so much better for this person's life if he had just sucked it up and lied on one single homework question.

3/17/2006 10:57:16 PM

the only things that should be learned from this are:

1. The University is always right

2. If in doubt...see #1

3/17/2006 11:00:20 PM

^^I'm sorry, but where did I present you with a hypothetical situation?

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"Every time you say that to someone, whether I agree with them or not, it reminds me (as if I needed reminding) that you are one of the worst fucking posters ever to grace the soap box."

I say things like "Please edit that post" because I'm not gonna lay it out for you when I know that you know you're full of shit. And, oh yeah, with regards to this "worst fucking poster" nonsense, I still can't tell what makes someone a good poster, and I'm pretty fucking sure that I don't give a fuck.

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"You are entirely too trusting of people. After you graduate I hope you take a job in the public sector, even if it's just briefly for the experience...you will be amazed at the volume of, shall we say, "zealous" people that write multi-page treatises on miscellaneous wrongs perpetrated against them..."

I agree that I am too trusting. But in this case, I can't imagine why anyone, without evidence, would automatically assume he's lying.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 11:16 PM. Reason : sss]

3/17/2006 11:02:15 PM

I never said I assumed he was lying, I'm saying I'm not going to buy the argument "OMG teh NCSU fux0r3d him!!1" hook/line/sinker without evidence.

3/17/2006 11:17:59 PM

You're right, you didn't explicity put forth a hypothetical. But when you're talking about an existing situation, and what is best, or easiest, or right, or whatever, the discussion will probably include what people think SHOULD have happened.

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"I say things like "Please edit that post" because I'm not gonna lay it out for you when I know that you know you're full of shit."

YOU KNOW ME TOO WELL, BRIDGET. I ACTUALLY THINK IT WAS TOTALLY AWESOME THAT THIS GUY ACTED LIKE A BITCH AND GOT IN A HISSY FIT ABOUT ANSWERING AN INAPPROPRIATE QUESTION.

What was stopping him from answering the question honestly and without disclosing his sexual orientation?

What is your gender? What is your sexual orientation? Who have you told about your sexual orientation?
I am a male, but I am uncomfortable in this setting discussing my sexual orientation. The people I have discussed this with include close friends and family, as I find it inappropriate to discuss such matters in other company.

3/17/2006 11:19:19 PM

^^Okay, say that then. Don't compare him to convicted murderers.

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"You're right, you didn't explicity put forth a hypothetical. But when you're talking about an existing situation, and what is best, or easiest, or right, or whatever, the discussion will probably include what people think SHOULD have happened."

You brought in the "best thing to do" bullshit first. I CALLED YOU ON IT AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ME POSING HYPOTHETICALS?!?!?!

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"YOU KNOW ME TOO WELL, BRIDGET. I ACTUALLY THINK IT WAS TOTALLY AWESOME THAT THIS GUY ACTED LIKE A BITCH AND GOT IN A HISSY FIT ABOUT ANSWERING AN INAPPROPRIATE QUESTION."

You're being absurd. "ACTED LIKE A BITCH AND GOT IN A HISSY FIT?" WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

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" What was stopping him from answering the question honestly and without disclosing his sexual orientation? What is your gender? What is your sexual orientation? Who have you told about your sexual orientation? I am a male, but I am uncomfortable in this setting discussing my sexual orientation. The people I have discussed this with include close friends and family, as I find it inappropriate to discuss such matters in other company."

YOU CLEARLY DID NOT READ THE WHOLE THING. FOR STARTERS, THE PAPER HAD TO BE SEVEN PAGES, AND SHE SAID SHE WAS GRADING THE PAPER ON THE FULLNESS OF THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS YOU SAY HE SHOULD HAVE DECLINED TO ANSWER. HE SET UP A MEETING TO DISCUSS HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE ASSIGNMENT, AND SHE DIDN'T CONCEDE ONE INCH. (BY THE WAY, ALL THESE STATEMENTS SHOULD BE PREFACED WITH "ACCORDING TO HIM.")

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 11:27 PM. Reason : sss]

3/17/2006 11:19:50 PM

his writing:convicted murderers' writing !:: him:convicted murderers

3/17/2006 11:21:38 PM

^^ I don't even understand what you are trying to say. Maybe you should ask me to edit my post!

3/17/2006 11:22:39 PM

^My bad. I was grabbing a place. I've edited it. Basically, you were the one to say that the "best" thing to do would be just to bullshit. I pointed out that that option was not the "best" thing to do but rather the "easiest." AND THEN YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT ME POSING HYPOTHETICALS.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ THE WHOLE THING.

FUCK OFF.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 11:30 PM. Reason : FUCK OFF]

3/17/2006 11:29:20 PM

I genuinely think that, for a person in this person's situation who is uncomfortable with the question, the best option is to just bullshit. You clearly disagree with this. Whatever. I would recommend getting that sandy vagina of yours looked at.

3/17/2006 11:33:15 PM

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 11:35 PM. Reason : That's me laughing, by the way.]

3/17/2006 11:35:23 PM

I think that he was being kind of unreasonable about the assignment and I also felt that he went through so much trouble for nothing. So I started out thinking that he was just bitching.

However, when it gets into the falsified GPAs and the trespass order, I realized how fucked up the situation is. Damn.

3/17/2006 11:42:12 PM