than actually governing the country. Going on the fourth day now of news reports about the switch over from "stay the course". I'm just wondering when we are going to see a real bona fide plan of action, whatever it is.

10/25/2006 11:25:25 AM

hahah you expect the dems to have a plan of action??


I'm not expecting either side to

10/25/2006 11:34:48 AM

wow...........talk about gaying up a thread at record speed

10/25/2006 11:38:08 AM

wow................talk about a gay pointless thread

10/25/2006 11:39:39 AM

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"hahah you expect the dems to have a plan of action?? I'm not expecting either side to"

It's funny, you whine about me complaining, but you do a much better job of it.

And why did you even mention democrats you dip shit? Get the fuck out of TSB. I want to see a plan from the GOP.

10/25/2006 11:41:49 AM

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"I'm just wondering when we are going to see a real bona fide plan of action, whatever it is."

This sounds like you are saying the Rep. aren't doing a good job with providing a plan of action, implying that another party could do a better job. Hence, the 2nd post.

10/25/2006 12:31:04 PM

It clearly does not imply that another party could do better. It simply doesn't. Do you understand logic?

10/25/2006 12:48:15 PM

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"Going on the fourth day now of news reports about the switch over from "stay the course""

This admin. media is more interested in language manip.

10/25/2006 12:50:25 PM

He wouldn't spend so much time responding to the change in language use if people like you didn't focus so heavily on it.

You know, making thread and constantly bitching.

10/25/2006 12:50:44 PM

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"He wouldn't spend so much time responding to the change in language use if people like you didn't focus so heavily on it. "

So you're saying we the people shouldn't question a government more focused on warping public perception with language than they are of actually governing the country?

10/25/2006 12:52:18 PM

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"a government more focused on warping public perception with language than they are of actually governing the country?"

do you have any evidence to back up this ludicrous claim?

10/25/2006 12:56:17 PM

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"Get the fuck out of TSB."

lets count how many times State409 can tell someone to get the f$%^ out of soapbox per day...i would wager that every 6th post contains something related to this phrase and also coincides with a PM to the Duke...

but i would agree somewhat with the point of this thread...screw the language of this whole thing...the problem is...the dems are going to slam him on the language that he uses so he has to play thier game....sooo...more power to him

10/25/2006 12:56:24 PM

^^^Way to prove ^^^^ his point.

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 12:56 PM. Reason : ^^]

10/25/2006 12:56:29 PM

nm

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 12:57 PM. Reason : g]

10/25/2006 12:57:01 PM

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"It's funny, you whine about me complaining, but you do a much better job of it. And why did you even mention democrats you dip shit? Get the fuck out of TSB. I want to see a plan from the GOP."

it's utter bullshit like this that gays up a thread

I made a reasonable response that pretty much summed up my view and you start up with your holier than thou bullshit
I don't know what your goddamned problem is with me, but it's pretty homo how you follow me around and make comment after comment when I say something

so how about YOu shut the fuck up and get out of TSB you whiny little bitch

10/25/2006 1:04:10 PM

^ You're starting to sound like tree twista with how stupid your posts are, and that isn't a good thing.

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"I made a reasonable response that pretty much summed up my view and you start up with your holier than thou bullshit"

A reasonable response? I just want to have a discussion about what it will take to get this current administration to show the American people a plan for some sort of real progress in Iraq. It used to be the "when the Iraqi's stand up for themselves, we can start pulling out, and this should happen in a matter of years" plan. Now they don't mention it because the trend isn't even in the positive direction. If they started talking about Iraqi battalions and how many of them are coming online, and what the Iraqis are doing to defend themselves, it would be a joke and the public outcry would be even louder. And they can't request more troops to go in, which is what it's going to take. I know it, you know it, the president knows it, but he can't tell the public that right before an election or his party will be proper fucked. Instead, we have delay tactics where they are playing word games to deflect the focus away. Now, it seems like the admin is bending, because they are changing the language. They aren't doing shit, they are stalling.

Instead, they delay. They don't show any real plan. They are interested in a word games more than anything, because if Bush actually came out and discussed frankly the reality, and the expected timeline (which is probably in terms of decades at the moment), then he would be royally fucked.



Now


IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE, THAT NEEDS A PARTISAN INTERJECTION?

IS THERE ANY NEED AT ALL WITH THE FIRST POST OF THE THREAD

TO TURN THIS INTO SOME BULLSHIT BICKERING THAT WE HAVE BEEN REHASHING OVER AND OVER IN EVERY OTHER THREAD THAT YOU PARTISAN HACKS POST IN?


I didn't say shit about the Democrats. I'm not interested in their plan. I'm not talking about the house or the senate going back to them. I'm not fucking talking about that. Wake the fuck up and quite being a retarded bumbling douche bag about this shit.

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 1:18 PM. Reason : a]

10/25/2006 1:16:13 PM

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"do you have any evidence to back up this ludicrous claim?"

10/25/2006 1:16:42 PM

^^ jeez

pot = kettle

10/25/2006 1:22:34 PM

^^^ for real, you must like seeing your keystrokes appear on a monitor, I for one don't care about reading all of your bullshit

you follow me around talking shit when I do nothing to provoke you

for you to be such a troll I sure get on your nerves

anyways... I'm sick of reading your ranting bullshit, when somone has a difference you're all like "GTFO you're an idiot"

you post and spend all day on here like anyone else here, quit acting like you're some kind of god damn diety on here, you fucking toolbag

so how about you, STFU, if you can't respond to someone elses comments without telling them to STFU, or GTFO, or calling them names, you don't need to be on the internet

I don't know how you function in daily life

10/25/2006 1:28:20 PM

hahah you're a fucking joke. I can't help it you don't add anything to this section and need to be told to get out.

You've already stated numerous times you don't expect anyone in government to do anything for you. Why are you still here?

10/25/2006 1:40:35 PM

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"a government more focused on warping public perception with language than they are of actually governing the country?"

do you have any evidence to back up this ludicrous claim?

10/25/2006 1:41:04 PM

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"hahah you're a fucking joke. I can't help it you don't add anything to this section and need to be told to get out. You've already stated numerous times you don't expect anyone in government to do anything for you. Why are you still here?"

are you even capable of piecing together an argument in here without personally attacking someone?


I do find it humorous that someone on the internet bothers you that much... loser

10/25/2006 1:45:26 PM

it really is comical...

i just want to know who started all this language manipulation

10/25/2006 1:46:52 PM

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"are you even capable of piecing together an argument in here without personally attacking someone?"

I don't attack any of the folks that aren't idiots.
Btw : /message_topic.aspx?topic=440682

Some people just know how to form arguments, and stay on topic. Some don't. You are in the latter.

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"I do find it humorous that someone on the internet bothers you that much... loser"

Large spaced text != bothered
I'm doing you a favor because you have trouble with reading comprehension I think.



[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 1:48 PM. Reason : a]

10/25/2006 1:48:24 PM

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" I don't attack any of the folks that aren't idiots."

case in point...

10/25/2006 1:51:14 PM

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"i just want to know who started all this language manipulation"

10/25/2006 1:53:47 PM

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"Btw : /message_topic.aspx?topic=440682"

are you bragging about how you made such a shitty thread it was immediately locked?

btw speaking of staying on topic, why havent you answered my question yet?

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"a government more focused on warping public perception with language than they are of actually governing the country?"

do you have any evidence to back up this ludicrous claim?

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 2:03 PM. Reason : .]

10/25/2006 2:02:37 PM

^^HA...sooo true

10/25/2006 2:05:25 PM

maybe this is the forum you are looking for

but you'll probably get mad and call them names too

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums



[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 2:08 PM. Reason : ..]

10/25/2006 2:07:06 PM

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"but you'll probably get mad and call them names too"

As long as they aren't idiots, I'm sure they'll be fine.

10/25/2006 2:21:35 PM

there you go again


what if the rest of tww thinks you're not only an idiot, but a toolbag also?


if you can't act right on the internet where can you act right?

10/25/2006 2:24:17 PM

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" As long as they aren't idiots, I'm sure they'll be fine."

case in point...

10/25/2006 2:27:27 PM

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"what if the rest of tww thinks you're not only an idiot, but a toolbag also?"

I'm not too interested in what the rest of tdub thinks, but regardless, plenty of folks engage my comments on here in a respectful and thought out manner. I'm not worried at all about my contributions to this site.

Back to the thread topic.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/25/stay.course/index.html?eref=rss_politics

Is this the first sign of any progress, or is this a last minute effort to save his parties ass in 2 weeks?

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"The president flatly rejected the idea that troops should be withdrawn on a fixed timetable and said benchmarks were a better way to manage troop levels."

How long does it take to define benchmarks? Why weren't those benchmarks communicated with this message? Are these so called benchmarks going to be created by hand waving and made up as we go? Are they purposefully not communicated in a clear and concise manner so the public can't be outraged when we (and the Iraqis) fail to meet them time and time again?

10/25/2006 2:32:02 PM

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"I'm not worried at all about my contributions to this site. "

we understand this...please respect the fact that most of us are not worried about our contributions to this site either...hence...we will not do what you keep profainly telling us to do and gtfo of the tsb...also...please understand that just because we disagree with you...you should cuss us all out and tell us to leave...that only makes you look worse than you already do...however...in spite of this fact you will note that those of us who have been in TSB longer than a few weeks do not go around telling everyone who we dont like to get out and sending the duke pm's saying that they should be suspended...please learn from this experience, grow up and contribute to TSB

10/25/2006 2:43:06 PM

I see you quoted a comment of mine. I just wanted to tell you that you shouldn't bother, because I don't read anything you type anymore. Sorry.

So does anyone think the American people are going to get to see a real, bona fide plan of action in Iraq?

Something to actually, you know, measure progress against?

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 2:58 PM. Reason : a]

10/25/2006 2:54:12 PM

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"So does anyone think the American people are going to get to see a real, bona fide plan of action in Iraq? Something to actually, you know, measure progress against?"

Not under this administration. I don't see how any of Bush's most ardent supporters can think that we will. At this point there is really nothing that either side would be capable of definitively sticking to.

What do you want? A plan of exit? A timetable? I'm sick of hearing the 'stay the course' crap too but I don't see what else they can realistically be telling us since it's obvious they have no clue either.

10/25/2006 3:01:43 PM

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"Sorry."

no...your not

and you read that...admit it...i know you did...haha

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 3:08 PM. Reason : asdf]

10/25/2006 3:07:55 PM

So is this thread now about a plan of war in Iraq? Cause I thought it was about State409c being much more obsessed with language than whats actually going on as far as running the country

10/25/2006 3:19:03 PM

haha...i can see why you would think that...however...its a fook who looks for logic in the chambers of the mind of state409c

10/25/2006 3:20:20 PM

Actually, I think this is the thread where we ignore anything that might be relevant to the topic and flame each other.

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 3:21 PM. Reason : in other words a typical TSB thread]

10/25/2006 3:21:27 PM

I've asked him about 4 times what evidence if any he has to support his claim that the administration is more interested in language and terminology than actually running the country

still waiting...

10/25/2006 3:24:02 PM

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"Quote "a government more focused on warping public perception with language than they are of actually governing the country?" TreeTwista10 "do you have any evidence to back up this ludicrous claim?""

Yes actually.

The Bush Adm. warped public perception by naming their education reform No Child Left Behind." This policy is both underfunded and not supported by the majority of teachers forced to work with it. The language and public perception says that we're dealing the problems with education when we aren't. We're making them worse. Don't believe me? Ask any public school teacher...

The Patriot Act is another example. The term "patriot" is defined by dictionary.com as:

1) a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2) a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

Funny how the Patriot Act makes it OK to infringe upon the freedoms that the Founding Fathers, also known as patriots, fought to give us with our current constitution.


How about that "turning the corner business" in 2004? What policies, laws, or decisions led to that conclusion? I don't recall hearing that part...


2002-present: Bush Adm. maintains that Saddam has WMDs, nuclear capabilities, and biological agents. When that turned out to be false Bush simply started saying "He was a threat, and we're now safer." Words, no actions. You can say we're safer, but to date no investigations or studies back that claim up.

I also could have sworn Bush said he had a "plan to win the war on terror." I think it's fair to say it was either poorly executed or never existed. They also claimed the war would be relatively inexpensive:

http://www.webprowire.com/summaries/244422.html

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"Sept 18 [2002] (Reuters) - Estimates that a possible U.S. war against Iraq could cost $100 billion to $200 billion are likely to be "very, very high," White House budget director Mitch Daniels told reporters on Wednesday."

Again, the administration puts forth words without results.


You can say what you want about deliberate manipulation, but there's a long laundry list of events demonstrated words without results. This is not a new concept, but this current administration seems to be using it with frightening precision. Eventually you have to pony up and show results, and I honestly believe that history will remember Bush and Co. as extreme, manipulative, and above all... incompetent.

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 3:30 PM. Reason : edit]

10/25/2006 3:28:14 PM

^all of that = perception

10/25/2006 3:33:04 PM

^^I asked for evidence of State409c's claim in his initial post, and Erios you didnt post any evidence of that

Do they have slogans and layman catch phrases for their policies? Of course just like any administration

But claiming they care more about those phrases than the actual substance seems absurd to me and the information you posted did not address their focus on words vs. running the country...it just pointed out some of their slogans

you might as well have just posted this http://www.presidentsusa.net/campaignslogans.html


ps Blaine and Cleveland were really duking it out haha

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 3:36 PM. Reason : ..]

10/25/2006 3:34:09 PM

is this really new in politics?

10/25/2006 3:34:14 PM

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"Not under this administration. I don't see how any of Bush's most ardent supporters can think that we will. At this point there is really nothing that either side would be capable of definitively sticking to. What do you want? A plan of exit? A timetable? I'm sick of hearing the 'stay the course' crap too but I don't see what else they can realistically be telling us since it's obvious they have no clue either. "

Well, we went in there under the guise of stamping out terrorism, and the only way that going in there and overthrowing Saddam is going to bear that fruit, is if the Iraqis establish a democracy, and act as a stabilizing presence in an unstable Middle East, and that isn't going to happen for a long fucking time.

Is it really prudent to think that the US taxpayer has to bear the brunt of the cost of buying a democracy in the Middle East, assuming it works (and failures all over the globe and in history by our government doesn't give me a warm fuzzy)? How much is that gonna cost when it is all said and done? 5 trillion?

We aren't doing anything to slow the insurgency at the current rate (will more troops actually fix this?), the Iraqis aren't going to be able to control it, not in a decade. The 3 sides in Iraq all hate each other and are getting massive influence from the outside. At this point, I'm wondering if it is realistically possible to do this. If it isn't, then pull out, and let the cards fall how they may. If some crazy comes to power, then go in and take him out - kinda like how we are doing with the N Korea situation.

10/25/2006 3:49:44 PM

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"and that isn't going to happen for a long fucking time."

so that means we shouldnt do it? and i think it will happen sooner than you think. as soon as we canget out of there and iraqis are actually in control....things will calm down

10/25/2006 3:52:33 PM

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"He wouldn't spend so much time responding to the change in language use if people like you didn't focus so heavily on it. "

we weren't focusing on the language till we realized it was being manipulated

we were focusing on what the language MEANT

if he says stay the course, he MEANS stay the course

now, suddenly close to an election in which they stand the chance to loose both houses, he suddenly says it means something else

that is what upsets people like us

10/25/2006 4:02:01 PM

the course leads to victory in Iraq

how has the administration changed their direction?

would you prefer they remain hardheaded and dont make any adjustments based on new intelligence?

10/25/2006 4:19:36 PM

the thing is...he is in a corner...any time he mentions changing anything in iraq...(which clearly has been happening all along) ...he is going to get railed for going back on his word and not "staying the course"

10/25/2006 4:29:01 PM