If you believe the Jewish lamestream media propaganda about WWII, you may be led to believe that the only people who suffered or died during WWII were "6 million" Jews. The reality is that around 50 million people died during WWII, the vast majority being non-Jewish "gentiles." In reality, only around 200k-300k Jews died during WWII. Furthermore, while there was no actual plan to "exterminate the Jews", there was a REAL plan of genocide against Germans (orchestrated by powerful Jewish elites who controlled the U.S. and other Western powers).

And estimated 3 million Germans were starved to death by the Allies (including 2 million German civilians) in the brutal occupation and subjugation of Germany after the war under the "Morgenthau Plan." Hundreds of thousands more German civilians were killed in the Allied bombing raids of Germany, including the infamous fire-bombing of Dresden. Millions of Germans were driven from their ancestral lands in Prussia & Eastern Europe by the Soviets and others, and millions of german women were raped by the Red Army & others in the Soviet occupied areas.

WWII, like WWI and the other major wars of the past several centuries, were orchestrated by powerful Jewish elites tied to international banking for the specific purpose of killing off vast numbers of non-Jewish "gentiles" (and especially white Christians)...as well as bankrupting the nations involved, drowning them in debt, and making a fortune for the Jewish bankers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/04/15/bomac14.xml

Quote :

"How three million Germans died after VE Day 18/04/2007 Giles MacDonogh is a bon viveur and a historian of wine and gastronomy, but in this book, pursuing his other consuming interest - German history - he serves a dish to turn the strongest of stomachs. It makes particularly uncomfortable reading for those who compare the disastrous occupation of Iraq unfavourably to the post-war settlement of Germany and Austria. MacDonogh argues that the months that followed May 1945 brought no peace to the shattered skeleton of Hitler's Reich, but suffering even worse than the destruction wrought by the war. After the atrocities that the Nazis had visited on Europe, some degree of justified vengeance by their victims was inevitable, but the appalling bestialities that MacDonogh documents so soberly went far beyond that. The first 200 pages of his brave book are an almost unbearable chronicle of human suffering. His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities. A million soldiers vanished before they could creep back to the holes that had been their homes. The majority of them died in Soviet captivity (of the 90,000 who surrendered at Stalingrad, only 5,000 eventually came home) but, shamingly, many thousands perished as prisoners of the Anglo-Americans. Herded into cages along the Rhine, with no shelter and very little food, they dropped like flies. Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave labour in a score of Allied countries, often for years. Incredibly, some Germans were still being held in Russia as late as 1979. The two million German civilians who died were largely the old, women and children: victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide - and mass murder. Apart from the well-known repeated rape of virtually every girl and woman unlucky enough to be in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh - for the first time in English - is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful Czech compatriots. The survivors of this ethnic cleansing, naked and shivering, were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes. Similar scenes were seen across Poland, Silesia and East Prussia as age-old German communities were brutally expunged. Given that what amounted to a lesser Holocaust was unfolding under their noses, it may be asked why the western Allies did not stop this venting of long-dammed-up rage on the (mainly) innocent. MacDonogh's answer is that it could all have been even worse. The US Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were genocidal Nazi-like schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of what was left of the bombed-out cities."

Henry Morgenthau, of course, was a Zionist Jew.


How about a literal "holocaust" (destruction by fire)?...ie, the bombing of the city of Dresden, which was not in any way a military or industrial target, but was bombed for the specific purpose of inflicting mass civilian causualties.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/12/wdres12.xml

Quote :

"German ruling says Dresden was a holocaust By Hannah Cleaver in Berlin 12/04/2005 [...] Attitudes towards the Allied bombing campaign, which killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, are changing. Estimates of the death toll in Dresden in February 1945 hover at about 35,000. All the same, some historians claim that as many as 500,000 people were killed in the raids. Strictly speaking, the word "holocaust," which comes from the ancient Greek for "burnt", might seem apt for Dresden, much of it immolated by the fires started by the RAF's incendiary bombs."

http://www.rense.com/general75/dres.htm

Quote :

"Dresden Holocaust: Slaughter Of 500,000 German Civilians http://www.canadianfreespeech.com 2-16-7 [...] There is one such Holocaust, however, which we in particular should remember: it was unforgivable and should never be forgotten - and it was one in which the blood was, at least partly, on Britain's hands. The Dresden Holocaust was committed not by the awful Nazis, nor even by brutal Reds but by the so-called democratic freedom-loving allies, Britain and the USA. So, the next time you are faced with the accusation of 'Holocaust Denial', just mention the Dresden Holocaust. An Act Of Terrorism Sixty-Two years ago, on the evening of February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide and barbarism began against a defenceless German city, one of the greatest cultural centres of Europe. Within less than 14 hours, not only was this city reduced to flaming ruins but an estimated quarter of its inhabitants, possibly as many as a quarter of a million, had perished in what was one of the worst massacres of all time. Toward the end of World War II, as Allied planes rained death and destruction over Germany, the old Saxon city of Dresden lay like an island of tranquillity amid an ocean of desolation. Famous mainly for its art and Baroque architecture and possessing no military value, Dresden had been spared the terror that descended from the skies over the rest of the country."

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2328815.ece

Quote :

"German TV breaks taboo with story of refugees By Tony Paterson in Berlin Published: 05 March 2007 German viewers tuned in to a taboo-breaking television drama last night that for the first time tackled the plight of millions of their countrymen who were driven out of what is now eastern Europe by Russia's Red Army after the Second World War. [...] An estimated 14 million Germans were expelled from the former eastern territories of East Prussia, Pomerania, Silesia and Sudetenland at the end of the Second World War. The areas were annexed to Russia, Poland and Czechoslovakia after 1945 and the overwhelming majority of those expelled lost their property and homes for good."

6/30/2007 1:54:57 PM

you never hear about these things. everything is biased by the media. And to thinkg,ww2 lead to the creation of the most evil state the world has ever seen.

6/30/2007 1:58:02 PM

Quote :

"And estimated 3 million Germans were starved to death by the Allies (including 2 million German civilians) in the brutal occupation and subjugation of Germany after the war under the "Morgenthau Plan.""

The Morgenthau Plan was never implemented. However, the Marshall Plan was - this is what turned the west german economy into the "miracle of eastern Europe" by the 1960s, a period when most European economies were struggling.

And yes, countries in eastern Europe that had been subjugated under Nazi expansion kicked out the German settlers that had moved in during occupation. This is evidence of the anti-German sentiment created by 6 years of expansion and ethnic cleansing. There was never any plan to exterminate the Germans. While there was talk of destroying German industry and turning the nation into an agrarian paradise, these plans were obviously not used.

Why are the rants on Rense.com any more credible than the mountains of evidence regarding the Holocaust that you choose to ignore?

And for the love of God, please provide some proof that WWII was caused by Jews. Once again you've stated one of your dubious fantasies as fact without a single shred of evidence.

Soviet atrocities against the Germans are well known (and are on par with German atrocities against the Soviets). Why have you made no mention of the unpublicized fact that 9 million Chinese civilians were killed during the war? Was that a part of the jewish plot against white Christians as well?

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to prove the authenticity of the Protocols of Zion.

6/30/2007 4:04:59 PM

I just can't believe that someone would waste soooo much time on so much bullshit. Get the fuck away from your keyboard man. Go get some sun. I think the lack of vitamin D has fucked you up severely.

6/30/2007 4:08:29 PM

asfd

[Edited on July 2, 2007 at 2:41 PM. Reason : asfd]

6/30/2007 5:24:27 PM

Quote :

"lamestream"

lolz

6/30/2007 9:26:37 PM

makes you wonder why the soviets were so brutal when they invaded germany, its as though they were seeking revenge for similar brutalities inflicted on them or something. but of course we know, thanks to salisburyboy, that the germans weren't really killing anyone in WW2, they were justing walking into other parts of europe with daisies and lollipops and asking if they could be friends

6/30/2007 10:54:36 PM

Its been my idea that we take holocaust deniers, lock them in auschwitz, hook up the HCN and then we will see just how fake the holocaust was.

6/30/2007 11:03:18 PM

i got some relatives that can tell you just how fucking real the holocaust was

7/1/2007 1:45:44 AM

Quote :

"There was never any plan to exterminate the Germans."

Probably not, but around two million of them died as a result of the expulsion. That's a tragedy by any standard.

7/1/2007 2:01:08 AM

sex is the real problem here... that's what caused this shit. both germans and jews are at fault!

7/1/2007 8:43:48 PM

this is the biggest case of penis envy ever.

7/1/2007 11:05:11 PM

can you be ANY more anti-semitic?

[Edited on July 2, 2007 at 1:52 AM. Reason : .]

7/2/2007 1:51:59 AM

Re-post of initial post...

If you believe the Jewish lamestream media propaganda about WWII, you may be led to believe
that the only people who suffered or died during WWII were "6 million" Jews. The reality is that
around 50 million people died during WWII, the vast majority being non-Jewish "gentiles." In
reality, only around 200k-300k Jews died during WWII. Furthermore, while there was no actual
plan to "exterminate the Jews", there was a REAL plan of genocide against Germans (orchestrated
by powerful Jewish elites who controlled the U.S. and other Western powers).

And estimated 3 million Germans were starved to death by the Allies (including 2 million German
civilians) in the brutal occupation and subjugation of Germany after the war under
the "Morgenthau Plan." Hundreds of thousands more German civilians were killed in the Allied
bombing raids of Germany, including the infamous fire-bombing of Dresden. Millions of Germans
were driven from their ancestral lands in Prussia & Eastern Europe by the Soviets and others, and
millions of german women were raped by the Red Army & others in the Soviet occupied areas.

WWII, like WWI and the other major wars of the past several centuries, were orchestrated by
powerful Jewish elites tied to international banking for the specific purpose of killing off vast
numbers of non-Jewish "gentiles" (and especially white Christians)...as well as bankrupting the
nations involved, drowning them in debt, and making a fortune for the Jewish bankers.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/04/15/bomac14.xml

How three million Germans died after VE Day

18/04/2007

Giles MacDonogh is a bon viveur and a historian of wine and gastronomy, but in this book, pursuing
his other consuming interest - German history - he serves a dish to turn the strongest of
stomachs. It makes particularly uncomfortable reading for those who compare the disastrous
occupation of Iraq unfavourably to the post-war settlement of Germany and Austria.

MacDonogh argues that the months that followed May 1945 brought no peace to the shattered
skeleton of Hitler's Reich, but suffering even worse than the destruction wrought by the war. After
the atrocities that the Nazis had visited on Europe, some degree of justified vengeance by their
victims was inevitable, but the appalling bestialities that MacDonogh documents so soberly went
far beyond that. The first 200 pages of his brave book are an almost unbearable chronicle of
human suffering.

His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily after the official end of
hostilities. A million soldiers vanished before they could creep back to the holes that had been
their homes. The majority of them died in Soviet captivity (of the 90,000 who surrendered at
Stalingrad, only 5,000 eventually came home) but, shamingly, many thousands perished as
prisoners of the Anglo-Americans. Herded into cages along the Rhine, with no shelter and very
little food, they dropped like flies. Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave labour in a score of Allied
countries, often for years. Incredibly, some Germans were still being held in Russia as late as 1979.

The two million German civilians who died were largely the old, women and children: victims of
disease, cold, hunger, suicide - and mass murder.

Apart from the well-known repeated rape of virtually every girl and woman unlucky enough to
be in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh -
for the first time in English - is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their
vengeful Czech compatriots. The survivors of this ethnic cleansing, naked and shivering, were
pitched across the border, never to return to their homes. Similar scenes were seen across
Poland, Silesia and East Prussia as age-old German communities were brutally expunged.

Given that what amounted to a lesser Holocaust was unfolding under their noses, it may be asked
why the western Allies did not stop this venting of long-dammed-up rage on the (mainly)
innocent. MacDonogh's answer is that it could all have been even worse. The US Treasury
Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were
genocidal Nazi-like schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of what was left of
the bombed-out cities.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Henry Morgenthau, of course, was a Zionist Jew.


How about a literal "holocaust" (destruction by fire)?...ie, the bombing of the city of
Dresden, which was not in any way a military or industrial target, but was bombed for the specific
purpose of inflicting mass civilian causualties.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/12/wdres12.xml

German ruling says Dresden was a holocaust

By Hannah Cleaver in Berlin
12/04/2005

[...]

Attitudes towards the Allied bombing campaign, which killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, are
changing. Estimates of the death toll in Dresden in February 1945 hover at about 35,000. All the
same, some historians claim that as many as 500,000 people were killed in the raids.

Strictly speaking, the word "holocaust," which comes from the ancient Greek for "burnt", might
seem apt for Dresden, much of it immolated by the fires started by the RAF's incendiary bombs.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.rense.com/general75/dres.htm

Dresden Holocaust: Slaughter Of 500,000 German Civilians

http://www.canadianfreespeech.com
2-16-7

[...]

There is one such Holocaust, however, which we in particular should remember: it was
unforgivable and should never be forgotten - and it was one in which the blood was, at least
partly, on Britain's hands.

The Dresden Holocaust was committed not by the awful Nazis, nor even by brutal Reds but by the
so-called democratic freedom-loving allies, Britain and the USA. So, the next time you are faced
with the accusation of 'Holocaust Denial', just mention the Dresden Holocaust.

An Act Of Terrorism

Sixty-Two years ago, on the evening of February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide and barbarism
began against a defenceless German city, one of the greatest cultural centres of Europe. Within
less than 14 hours, not only was this city reduced to flaming ruins but an estimated quarter of its
inhabitants, possibly as many as a quarter of a million, had perished in what was one of the worst
massacres of all time.

Toward the end of World War II, as Allied planes rained death and destruction over Germany, the
old Saxon city of Dresden lay like an island of tranquillity amid an ocean of desolation. Famous
mainly for its art and Baroque architecture and possessing no military value, Dresden had been
spared the terror that descended from the skies over the rest of the country.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2328815.ece

German TV breaks taboo with story of refugees

By Tony Paterson in Berlin
Published: 05 March 2007

German viewers tuned in to a taboo-breaking television drama last night that for the first time
tackled the plight of millions of their countrymen who were driven out of what is now eastern
Europe by Russia's Red Army after the Second World War.

[...]

An estimated 14 million Germans were expelled from the former eastern territories of East
Prussia, Pomerania, Silesia and Sudetenland at the end of the Second World War. The areas
were annexed to Russia, Poland and Czechoslovakia after 1945 and the overwhelming majority of
those expelled lost their property and homes for good.

7/2/2007 7:48:25 AM

No one will question the fact that atrocities were committed on both sides, it was a large scale war where millions of people died on all sides. I think the problem you're having is that you're trying to make it seem like the germans suffered at the hands of the 'evil jews.'

Sorry, don't buy it. Hitler was a bad guy, regardless of what you might think.

7/2/2007 8:12:55 AM

YOU CAN POST 3X THE AMOUNT OF CRAP AS YOU ALREADY HAVE IN THIS THREAD

AND IT STILL WON'T HAVE A SINGLE OUNCE OF CREDIBLE ANYTHING IN IT

SALISBURYTINHATFAG

7/2/2007 8:17:47 AM

^^^ I like how salisburyboy just reposts the original post and ignores all the pwnage laid down on him

7/2/2007 10:08:07 AM

asfd

[Edited on July 2, 2007 at 2:42 PM. Reason : asfd]

7/2/2007 10:08:39 AM

[Edited on July 2, 2007 at 11:00 AM. Reason : 3]





[Edited on July 2, 2007 at 11:04 AM. Reason : AFDB]

7/2/2007 10:49:51 AM

This thread really hit a nerve.

The SB shills/trolls are going absolutely ape-wild hysterical berserk in the attempt
to sabotage the thread and distract from the information therein.

Why are you guys so afraid of a logical & substantive discussion/debate on the issue
of the WWII atrocities committed against Germany?

Those that have the facts & truth on their side have no need to attempt to silence
their opposition and prevent an examination of the issue.





[Edited on July 2, 2007 at 11:06 AM. Reason : 3]

7/2/2007 10:57:28 AM

^ Really, is that what's happening?

Mr. Joshua has tried to engage you in a rational discussion, presented historical facts, and asked you to present evidence of your own to back up your claims which you have not done in this thread or in any other thread you've ever posted, but you ignored him both in this thread and in every other thread I've seen you post. For the umteenth time, the reason people don't want to have a serious debate with you is because they don't take you seriously, not because they are trying to silence you. And the reason they don't take you seriously is because you don't act like someone who should be taken seriously.

7/2/2007 11:15:53 AM

Quote :

"Why are you guys so afraid of a logical & substantive discussion/debate on the issue of the WWII atrocities committed against Germany?"

as far as i'm concerned, they pretty much had it coming. [/thread]

7/2/2007 11:36:00 AM

"Mr. Joshua has tried to engage you in a rational discussion"

I have to give Mr. Joshua credit for at least not engaging in pic/text-bombing
and trying to sabotage the thread like guth, BobbyDigital, & 1. He's more stealthy
with his trolling, and at least tries to appear like a serious poster. And he did
at least raise some substantive challenges to the information I posted.

"and asked you to present evidence of your own to back up your claims which
you have not done in this thread or in any other thread you've ever posted"

I've never presented evidence to back up my claims? What an absolute crock
of shit. That's completely ridiculous and laughable. What do you call the 3-4
articles I've presented in this thread, for example?

7/2/2007 11:40:25 AM

7/2/2007 11:52:08 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

7/2/2007 11:52:23 AM

Quote :

"What do you call the 3-4 articles I've presented in this thread, for example?"

Lacking.

7/2/2007 11:52:29 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

7/2/2007 11:53:39 AM

I'm stealthy with my trolling? Once again salisburyboy is trying to dismiss legitimate questions with
slander because he is too much of a coward to discuss his ideas. If I raised substantive questions -
which I always do - how is it trolling?

You don't present evidence. You stated that te Morgenthau Plan was implemented. Was that a mistake on your part of just another blatant lie spun to support your ideas?

And for the love of God, please provide proof that WWII was caused by Jews if you're going to continue
spouting it off like its part of the historical record.

There's a psychological phenomenon called confirmation bias. Read up on it and keep it in mind
whenever you type anything.

7/2/2007 12:04:31 PM

7/2/2007 12:14:22 PM

^^i think he is implying that you find reliable sources that cite the same information as what you've just presented. also he is looking for original thought and independent discussion coming from you on that matter as well. that being opposed to your normal of just posting an article and having nothing to back it up.

7/2/2007 12:21:08 PM

?

7/2/2007 12:26:26 PM

??

7/2/2007 1:23:42 PM

Why is this thread so HUGE in dimensions?

7/2/2007 2:20:38 PM

???

7/2/2007 2:43:13 PM

pad

7/2/2007 2:54:18 PM

THIS THREAD IS A GOOD ONE






























FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7/2/2007 2:58:31 PM

????

7/2/2007 3:07:12 PM

pad for page 2

7/2/2007 3:07:30 PM

I disagree with the sentiments described in this thread

7/2/2007 3:13:19 PM

I'm stealthy with my trolling? Once again salisburyboy is trying to dismiss legitimate questions with slander because he is too much of a coward to discuss his ideas. If I raised substantive questions -which I always do - how is it trolling?

You don't present evidence. You stated that the Morgenthau Plan was implemented. Was that a mistake on your part of just another blatant lie spun to support your ideas?

And for the love of God, please provide proof that WWII was caused by Jews if you're going to continue spouting it off like its part of the historical record.

There's a psychological phenomenon called confirmation bias. Read up on it and keep it in mind whenever you type anything.

[Edited on July 2, 2007 at 3:39 PM. Reason : .]

7/2/2007 3:13:49 PM

Jesus christ you hack. Joshua is probably the only one that HASN'T trolled you. The fact that you just dismissed his genuine questions removed that last tiny little glimmer of consideration any of your posts might should have received. I honestly hope no one took the time to read your crap.

7/2/2007 4:07:41 PM

Quote :

"you never hear about these things. everything is biased by the media. And to thinkg,ww2 lead to the creation of the most evil state the world has ever seen."

I thought the US existed before WWII?

7/2/2007 4:13:16 PM

Quote :

"You stated that the Morgenthau Plan was implemented. Was that a mistake on your part of just another blatant lie spun to support your ideas? "

The Morgenthau Plan, as originally drafted, was not implemented. The plan was modified, and the post-war plan for Germany was modeled off the orginial Morgenthau Plan, and included many of its features, including the partitioning of Germany, the weakening of Germany economically and militarily, etc.

7/2/2007 4:31:46 PM

Quote :

"I thought the US existed before WWII?"

maybe he was referring to Kuwait.

7/2/2007 4:37:24 PM

The post-war plan for Germany originated from Morgenthau, and large portions of Morgenthau's original plan for Germany WERE implemented.

It matters not if the final plan was labelled "Morgenthau's plan" or not. That's semantics.

Is that your best "hard-hitting critique" of my position, joshua?

7/2/2007 4:45:34 PM

Quote :

"And for the love of God, please provide proof that WWII was caused by Jews if you're going to continue spouting it off like its part of the historical record."

7/2/2007 4:54:55 PM

Quote :

"And for the love of God, please provide proof that WWII was caused by Jews if you're going to continue spouting it off like its part of the historical record."

It's not like there is a "mainstream" news article out there that admits "elite Jewish interests orchestrated WWII." They're not likely to admit that right out in the open for everyone to see for obvious reasons.

You're going to have to search a little harder in order to find the truth...ie, gather the facts and then begin to connect the dots. The reality that elite Jewish interests (connected to international banking...eg, the Rothschild family) control the governments of Europe & the U.S. (and have for well over a century) is overwhelmingly documented & proven by the historical record (eg, historical writings, accounts, works, etc).

As a recent example of the evidence for elite Jewish control of the U.S. (and other Western governments), look at the recent foreign policy in the Middle East, including the current war in Iraq. If you investigate who pushed for the war in Iraq, you will discover that it was a cabal of (largely Jewish) "neoconservatives" (eg, the PNAC guys). Two of the most pre-eminent political scholars in the U.S. even wrote a paper about how these elite Jewish interests (ie, what they termed the "Israeli Lobby") have a virtual stranglehold on the U.S. Congress and Executive Branch and a vast influence on our foreign policy. And now you here people from these same circles calling for war against Iran.

7/2/2007 5:16:30 PM

Quote :

"Two of the most pre-eminent political scholars in the U.S. even wrote a paper about how these elite Jewish interests (ie, what they termed the "Israeli Lobby") have a virtual stranglehold on the U.S. Congress and Executive Branch and a vast influence on our foreign policy."

You mean to tell me

That these elite interests are controlling world

covered up a holocaust

planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks

started the Iraq war

control world banking

and a host of other super powerful things they do to run the universe

but somehow they are so incompetent that they can't manage to silence two political scholars?

7/2/2007 5:27:04 PM

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/afdbdiagram.pdf

7/2/2007 5:32:07 PM

Quote :

"but somehow they are so incompetent that they can't manage to silence two political scholars?"

Most people don't know anything about the paper. So they did a pretty good job of suppressing the paper...ie, hardly giving it any coverage in their controlled "mainstream" media. In the past, prior to the internet, they wouldn't have to actually silence anyone. All they had to do was ignore you and not give you any coverage in the press & media.

Granted, they don't control the internet (as of now), which is the sole reason many people know about the paper to begin with. But they are working to censor or gain control of the internet as well.

7/2/2007 5:33:45 PM