Brigitte Bardot convicted in race case

PARIS, France (AP) -- A Paris court on Tuesday convicted Brigitte Bardot of provoking discrimination and racial hatred for writing that Muslims are destroying France.

The court also handed down a $23,325 fine against the former screen siren and animal rights campaigner.

A leading French anti-racism group known as MRAP filed a lawsuit last year over a letter she sent to then-Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy. The remarks were published in her foundation's quarterly journal.

In the December 2006 letter to Sarkozy, now the president, Bardot said France is "tired of being led by the nose by this population that is destroying us, destroying our country by imposing its acts."

She was referring to the Muslim feast of Aid el-Kebir, celebrated by slaughtering sheep.

French anti-racism laws prevent inciting hatred and discrimination on racial or religious or racial grounds. Bardot had been convicted four times previously for inciting racial hatred.

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/03/france.bardot.racism.ap/index.html

6/4/2008 11:17:18 AM

What an idiotic thing to be un-PC about.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 11:18 AM. Reason : d]

6/4/2008 11:18:22 AM

^ funny you say that

i'm sure we're not too far behind in the political correctness police

6/4/2008 11:21:19 AM

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"She was referring to the Muslim feast of Aid el-Kebir, celebrated by slaughtering sheep."

really, of all the fucked up shit the French do to animals in the name of haute cuisine she takes offense to this?

^It's called the first amendment. France doesn't have that.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 11:22 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 11:22:16 AM

lol @ no free speech


we're right behind them.

6/4/2008 11:24:50 AM

This is why I love America.

I hope Sarkozy can convince the French populace that civil rights are cool, no matter how meaningless the drivel that racist, bigoted people will spit out. You should let society handle people like that, not the government.

Anyway, calling out fundamentalist groups of nutjobs shouldn't be against the law or have a fine. Think of all the people here that would've been in prison for bitching and moaning and crying foul about the conservative religious power base that the republican party has.

She's got guts for standing up, especially to fines like that. Was there jailtime or just fines equivalent to $french_salary ?

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 11:27 AM. Reason : ^ I dunno, I'd be tempted to take up arms and start shooting at things if they took free speech away]

6/4/2008 11:26:28 AM

^^Does anything stop in your head long enough for you to digest the thought and rationally respond?

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 11:27 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 11:26:35 AM

the reality is that they are destroying france and its illegal to point it out.

6/4/2008 11:29:11 AM

The French take birds.

Gouge out their eyes so they'll eat more.

Keep them alive until they triple in size.

Then drown them in cognac before lightly frying them.



And this guy's going to speak up about this.

6/4/2008 11:29:40 AM

It makes me a little proud to be American reading this and knowing that I can still proclaim proudly

Group xxxxx are destroying America!!!1

6/4/2008 11:33:15 AM

^^Exactly. But it isn't cognac, it's Armagnac

6/4/2008 11:37:56 AM

Please point out to me where this article says how they're destroying France because I guess I missed it

6/4/2008 11:38:05 AM

^learn to read

or get on your precious welfare and buy a few books to start practicing.



[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 11:39:12 AM

Muslims are destroying France (at least the parts the French haven't already destroyed)

I see it as payback for the French destroying Western Civilization. It's been all downhill since the French revolution. At least, that's how I would see it if I believed in collective punishment.

6/4/2008 11:41:02 AM

and this all boils down to the whole PC disease that has infected the world...now we can't do/say/protect/defend anything w/out being called racist

6/4/2008 11:42:27 AM

Yeah you're right I'm illiterate sorry

So the problem here really is only that they're killing sheep? I had some lamb korma not too long ago and I'm pretty sure it was dead when I ate it, am I destroying America?

If you have a problem with the PC thing, that's the French government's fault, not anybody else's

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 11:42:51 AM

^ son, if you don't start reading a little news and learning about wats really going on in the world... you're gonna screw yourself over.

6/4/2008 11:44:57 AM

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"It's been all downhill since the French revolution. At least, that's how I would see it if I believed in collective punishment."

goddamned french, with their overthrowing an autocratic regime. It's their fault for everything.

6/4/2008 11:45:16 AM

But instead of allowing anarchy to reign, they established a legitimate government.

JERKS

6/4/2008 11:47:55 AM

^^^I guess I haven't been following what's going on in France lately, please tell me specifically what you're talking about then

6/4/2008 11:50:40 AM

It's no longer lilly white as African-Muslim immigrants from the old colonies are now moving to France. That is what is being claimed as the destruction of france.

6/4/2008 11:57:56 AM

Man that's what I thought but I just knew that couldn't be it


lol another Rat classic

6/4/2008 11:59:30 AM

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"It's no longer lilly white as African-Muslim immigrants from the old colonies are now moving to France. That is what is being claimed as the destruction of france."

Its not merely the destruction of France. Its the destruction of free society in Western Europe.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=1280843

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1535478/Sharia-law-is-spreading-as-authority-wanes.html

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=5096

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

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"In most interpretations of Sharia, conversion by Muslims to other religions, is strictly forbidden and is termed apostasy. Muslim theology equates apostasy to treason, and in most interpretations of sharia, the penalty for apostasy is death. In many Muslim countries, the accusation of apostasy is even used against non-conventional interpretations of the Quran. The severe persecution of the famous expert in Arabic literature, Prof. Nasr Hamid Abu Zayd, is an example of this. In some countries, Sunni and Shia Muslims often accuse each other of apostasy. The current civil strife in Iraq is explained by many in terms of the extremely harsh religious opposition between Sunnis and Shias in Iraq."

Am I intolerant if I strongly oppose a group that does not tolerate any ideology other than their own?

6/4/2008 12:52:20 PM

^THANK YOU

Hats off to this woman for standing up. It'd be better if she was protesting more than just the killing of sheep, but whatever.

6/4/2008 12:54:06 PM

10 years from now France will be culturally indistinguishable from Iran.

6/4/2008 1:00:08 PM

This is going to happen in the US soon. You are shitting yourself if you think otherwise

6/4/2008 1:26:19 PM

Oh no, our racial purity!






And if you think for a second Sharia will be established in any form in the US you're the one kidding yourself.

6/4/2008 1:30:41 PM

And you are the one shitting yourself.

6/4/2008 1:32:42 PM

I've heard these statements from the Jean-Marie Le Pen crowd for a long time now and nothing has happened.

6/4/2008 1:34:11 PM

so nutsmacker, since i'm the only one who doesn't sit back and think about things b4 i respond.. what do you think about this:

france is considering this a RACIAL remark. so...

racial hatred? Against muslims? Since when is Islam a race? Am I missing something here? I don't mean to be insensitive, but from my perspective Baptists, Episcopalians, FLDS, Mormons, etc., aren't considered a race, why does Islam get that distinction?

6/4/2008 1:37:47 PM

Evangelicals have been trying to insert tiny bits of Christian law into US law for decades.

Evangelicals represent a huge demographic in America.



And you're telling me a tiny minority of people will accomplish what evangelicals haven't?

6/4/2008 1:39:05 PM

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"Oh no, our racial purity! "

Go troll elsewhere.

6/4/2008 1:42:37 PM

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"goddamned french, with their overthrowing an autocratic regime. It's their fault for everything."

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"But instead of allowing anarchy to reign, they established a legitimate government. JERKS"

Are you people seriously arguing that Robespierre and Napoleon were legitimate rulers, or even superior to the Bourbons?

Give me a spoiled, effete, self-indulgent aristocrat any day over a mass murdering megalomaniac like the former two.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 1:48 PM. Reason : ']

6/4/2008 1:45:50 PM

God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural fluids.

God bless you all.


^ I see what you mean. Let me edit that:

"they established a legitimate government... eventually"

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 1:47:10 PM

Rat, I swear I'm not just following you around, it's just that your posts are so hard to even agree to disagree with.

The "dirty Muslims destroying culture" in France are from the Middle East and Africa, mostly. So the racial thing comes from the fact that they're freaking out about a bunch of brown people with accents moving in and doing mostly low-paying, menial jobs and living in the crappiest parts of their cities.

6/4/2008 1:59:42 PM

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"God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural fluids. God bless you all."

So are you too ignorant to create a real argument, or just lazy? Maybe I should try your approach and make fun of the people I disagree with. Why face reality when I can belittle anyone who opposes my high and mighty opinion? Listening to a point, digesting it and responding intelligently is soooooo difficult.

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"The "dirty Muslims destroying culture" in France are from the Middle East and Africa, mostly. So the racial thing comes from the fact that they're freaking out about a bunch of brown people with accents moving in and doing mostly low-paying, menial jobs and living in the crappiest parts of their cities."

Have read any headlines about happenings in Europe in the past 5 years? Did you look at any of the links I posted? This is not about race. It is about a hateful, intolerant ideology possessed by the fastest growing demographic in most European Countries. They live in the crappiest parts of the cities because they refuse to assimilate to the society.

What about the sections of London where the police will not enter? Are you calling them racist?

What about Sharia Law? Am I racist for being appalled by its application in civilized democratic states?

All of you crying racism are unwilling to respond to what I posted earlier about Sharia. How about discussing it instead of screaming "RACIST MUSLIM HATER" at people trying to have an honest discussion. I guess its ironic that those of you defending Islam are against a rational, civil debate of issues. You make me laugh.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 2:01:30 PM

i think the riots of the past couple years might have something to do with that too. but burning up 1000's of cars might not mean much to some people.

6/4/2008 2:01:50 PM

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"So are you too ignorant to create a real argument, or just lazy? Maybe I should try your approach and make fun of the people I disagree with. Why face reality when I can belittle anyone who opposes my high and mighty opinion? Listening to a point, digesting it and responding intelligently is soooooo difficult."

don't worry, one day when he gets down from flying so high in the clouds and gets a job and has reality of life set in a little bit, he'll be begging us to dump a jug of cold water over his head

6/4/2008 2:02:55 PM

Quote :

"So are you too ignorant to create a real argument, or just lazy? Maybe I should try your approach and make fun of the people I disagree with. Why face reality when I can belittle anyone who opposes my high and mighty opinion? Listening to a point, digesting it and responding intelligently is soooooo difficult."

Sorry if my responses have been flippant, but that's what you get when you make dumb arguments.

Rat's trying to argue that America will be under Sharia to some extent "soon."

I rebutted with the comparison to evangelical Christians (haven't heard a counter argument to that-- still waiting), and threw a Dr. Strangelove quote in there just to please the people.

I don't see how that equals "belittle[ing] anyone who opposes my high and mighty opinion."

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"and gets a job and has reality of life set in a little bit"

You don't even know me.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 2:08 PM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 2:06:36 PM

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"Sorry if my responses have been flippant, but that's what you get when you make dumb arguments."

Which of my arguments are dumb? I've yet to see you or anyone else in this thread take on any of my points. The only response you've given is rolleyes, calling people racist, etc.

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"I don't see how that equals "belittle[ing] anyone who opposes my high and mighty opinion." "

Calling people stupid, dumb, racist, etc., making sarcastic remarks rather than intelligent arguments is exactly what you've been doing. You're being a jerk. Man up and admit it and quit acting like you are the only one here with a valid opinion.

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"Rat's trying to argue that America will be under Sharia to some extent "soon." I rebutted with the comparison to evangelical Christians (haven't heard a counter argument to that-- still waiting), and threw a Dr. Strangelove quote in there just to please the people."

Its obvious that Sharia is on the way for Europe, unless something major stops the current population trends & cultural attitudes. This country is NOT threatened with the same danger in the FORSEEABLE future. I won't say that it could never happen, but I am not afraid of Sharia taking over the US in my lifetime. With that said, we do need to keep an eye on Europe. What is happening there will have consequences for us.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 2:33 PM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 2:28:41 PM

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"Which of my arguments are dumb?"

For starters none of my responses were even directed at you. They were directed at Rat

But the argument that any modicum of Sharia will work its way into US law is particularly dumb, for reasons I've already explained.

6/4/2008 2:32:09 PM

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"For starters none of my responses were even directed at you. They were directed at Rat"

I didn't think they were, until you quoted me.

6/4/2008 2:34:11 PM

The Human Events article is a little disconcerting but given that it's from a Conservative site I'm going to assume there's some spin on there that I'm not fully informed enough to recognize without more research. The Telegraph article makes it sound like the sharia courts exist in Britain, but they're certainly not controlling the justice system over there. The ABC News article doesn't mention sharia at all, and makes the riot situation sound more like a class-based thing rather than a religious one, kinda like the LA Riots. It sounds to me like this is becoming an issue but I'm not convinced that it's as drastic as you guys say from those three articles.

6/4/2008 2:35:37 PM

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"The Human Events article is a little disconcerting but given that it's from a Conservative site I'm going to assume there's some spin on there that I'm not fully informed enough to recognize without more research."

Then read up on the issue. If you're that ignorant about it, then quit posting here.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 3:04 PM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 3:03:04 PM

This issue is overly hyped to instill fear. The problem is no where near as big as the chicken littles are making it out to be.

6/4/2008 3:09:44 PM

^^Oh fuck off, I was responding to the article in the first post in the first place. I've been looking up a few more articles and that situation actually sounds pretty bad. I definitely can't see it happening in America in our lifetimes but this must have really set in quick because I was in London only a few years ago and it was pretty much all white people.

It seems like a lot of people are saying that the immigrant population "doesn't relate" to the British legal system... Yeah I guess I'd pretty much have to say tough shit to them on that.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 3:14 PM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 3:14:00 PM

i bet normal french people are all at home saying:

"fucking imports, gtfo"

and wishing they hadn't been so damn socialist and PC

6/4/2008 3:21:54 PM

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"Oh fuck off, I was responding to the article in the first post in the first place. I've been looking up a few more articles and that situation actually sounds pretty bad."

Chill out man. It sounds like you actually agree with me.

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"but given that it's from a Conservative site I'm going to assume there's some spin on there that I'm not fully informed enough to recognize without more research."

This is what I was giving you a hard time about. You make it sound like a news source shouldn't be trusted because it has a conservative slant, when in reality all news sources are biased.

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"...this must have really set in quick because I was in London only a few years ago and it was pretty much all white people."

Thats the impression I got. Right now in the UK, the 5th most common name for newborn boys is Mohammed (in its various spellings). Now think about how many children the average uneducated, unassimilated Muslim family has. Also consider that Europeans aren't really procreating. So you end up with a ton of youth angry at their society's moral decay with no job skills. I can't see this going anywhere good.

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"It seems like a lot of people are saying that the immigrant population "doesn't relate" to the British legal system... Yeah I guess I'd pretty much have to say tough shit to them on that."

Who is "them"? Are you saying the British Courts should deal with it, or the immigrants should deal with it?

I'm glad this is finally turning into an interesting conversation.

6/4/2008 3:39:02 PM

^I'm saying it's unreasonable on the immigrants' part to move into a country without being ready to follow the laws that are already in place in that country. I think we do agree on that point. It still sounds to me a lot like the inner city situation in this country, except in Europe they want to set up their own rule of law, which is definitely a problem. As soon as you get into multiple legal systems, the culture gets even more fractured than it already is.

6/4/2008 3:42:28 PM

^agree

6/4/2008 3:50:06 PM