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they’re going to be responsible for thousands of deaths

4/4/2020 11:49:58 AM

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http://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1247707885536268291

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" Fox News in lockstep tonight: The war against coronavirus is over"

4/8/2020 12:42:25 AM

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Another montage showing the depravity of these fake Christians

https://twitter.com/BetteMidler/status/1247570959688552450

4/8/2020 12:38:22 PM

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Stocks surge after Bernie Sanders suspends presidential campaign

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/us-stocks-april-8-2020

LOL because those two things are definitely tied together

4/8/2020 2:12:36 PM

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https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1258550713627500545?s=21

Comrade Carlson has thoughts.

Wonder if next time Greenwald comes on in between ethnonationalist segments he can find the time to bring this up in between the aCtUaLlY tHe DeMs ArE tHe FaScIsTs butt slapping sessions

5/8/2020 5:24:24 PM

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I guess I've just learned to deal with people who have different opinions out of necessity. That allows me to respectfully disagree with Tucker on a lot of things. He clearly has blindspots due to his own privilege as a straight cis white christian male but that doesn't nullify everything else he says. Everyone has their own blindspots and if you can't respect someone just because they, in your perspective, are horribly wrong about some things, then you are actually intolerant and exacerbating social divide.

And I can also admit Omar is provocative and takes incendiary positions precisely because thats what makes her better than most dems IMO. She's not afraid to come off as repulsive to 30% of the country if thats the consequence of speaking truth. High level dems like Pelosi are the opposite and have had fancy research done on every statement they make to ensure it won't upset many people too much.

[Edited on May 8, 2020 at 5:57 PM. Reason : he clearly doesn't hate omar or aoc because of who they are but what they represent (the real left)]

5/8/2020 5:55:10 PM

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"Don't even bother. horosho's stupidity is a feature designed to waste your time. It's incurable."

5/8/2020 5:58:10 PM

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^^ If we disagreed on which various universal healthcare system is correct or what the tax code should look like it’s one thing.

Tucker makes zero secret of wanting the United States to be an ethno-nationalist state. Every night. He makes it patently clear he’s a remorseless fascist. The rest is concern trolling and manipulation to get people to also believe in his ethnostate wishes.

[Edited on May 8, 2020 at 6:35 PM. Reason : X]

5/8/2020 6:34:51 PM

horosho
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lol they are simultaneously calling hong kong a protests and Minneapolis a riot.

5/27/2020 11:46:06 PM

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The difference right now between CNN and Fox is very stark. Fox News is reporting how many cops have been injured during the protests.

6/2/2020 9:05:22 AM

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why cant you people stop watching both

6/2/2020 9:13:06 AM

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Here we get to see Fox News try to draw a connection between killing black people and a good for the economy:

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1269050348653731840

6/6/2020 3:55:44 AM

horosho
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Its silly (market usually goes up anyway) and poor taste (typical fox news) but that was not the connection implied

She said "Historically there has been a disconnect between what investors focus on and what happens in the rest of the country" which is completely true.

inspired by this
https://fortune.com/2020/06/01/stock-market-protests-civil-unrest-reaction-markets-economy-stocks/

and this
https://www.wsj.com/articles/stocks-are-rallying-despite-nationwide-protests-thats-typical-11591349405

6/6/2020 1:26:35 PM

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Yes, I'm quite sure the average Fox News viewer is going to take it that way. Quite sure.

6/6/2020 1:41:41 PM

rjrumfel
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I don't watch either one. They're both part of the news I check every morning, including WaPo when I can get in, MSNBC, Yahoo, and Drudge, oh and WRAL.

6/6/2020 2:47:14 PM

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Who are you responding to? Either one of what?

And lol at Drudge, very on brand

6/6/2020 4:43:57 PM

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"She said "Historically there has been a disconnect between what investors focus on and what happens in the rest of the country" which is completely true."



....and it's just simple coincidence that every single instance of "what happens in the rest of the country" is a killing of a black man (or related to police brutality of a black man).

No mention of Charlottesville? Yeah, pure coincidence.

No mention of Occupy Wall Street? Yeah, pure coincidence.

No mention of the Branch Davidians? Yeah, just pure fucking coincidence.

Get the fuck outta here with that nonsense you fucking bootlicking moron.

6/6/2020 5:26:14 PM

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That feeling when you believe Don Lemon is a existential threat to democracy but love you some Tucker Carlson and Fox News.

6/6/2020 6:13:44 PM

horosho
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Relax I never said it was fine. Its misplaced blame because fortune wrote the article. Fox just reported it. I hate foxnews more btw. Tucker is the only fox show I find watchable but I watch Burnett, Lemon, Cuomo, and Cooper almost every pandemic night.

[Edited on June 7, 2020 at 2:43 AM. Reason : maddow is as unwatchable as hannity tho]

6/7/2020 2:41:46 AM

horosho
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Tucker Carlson just said that the left runs the Pentagon

6/8/2020 9:52:23 PM

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" “This may be a lot of things, this moment we are living through, but it is definitely not about black lives and remember that when they come for you, and at this rate, they will.""


-Tucker “the only watchable show on Fox” Carlson

6/9/2020 7:35:51 AM

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If you apologize for Tucker based on his one nuanced stance on anti-imperialism (which is actually just thinly veiled ethno-nationalism) I have no choice but to label you as a racism-enabler. At the least.

Like it’s not even every once in a while he dabbles in racism. It is EVERY NIGHT.

[Edited on June 9, 2020 at 8:55 AM. Reason : X]

6/9/2020 8:54:45 AM

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" Burnett, Lemon, Cuomo, and Cooper"


6/10/2020 1:55:12 AM

horosho
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"Like it’s not even every once in a while he dabbles in racism. It is EVERY NIGHT."

Fair point but I think its clear that his intention is not to be racist but he's also intentionally anti-PC. Conservatism is always going to enable racism specifically because it denies its importance in today's society. The fact that most of the full blown racists are also conservative further muddies the waters but can we just call any conservative racist? Its more of a blindspot due to unchecked privileged than it is racism. Its also a slippery slope because the less woke you are, the more of a racist you are going to look like to a person to your left.

For example, Jacob Frey and Joe Biden and Marxist racial justice warriors in the eyes of the far right but to the far left, they are racists hell bent on preserving old institutions. Its all relative. Everything about this country and everyone in it is racist to some degree.

Tucker thinks colorblindness is antiracism and therefore believes that progressives are the actual racists for saying POC need help making it in this country that already has "equal opportunity". He thinks talking about race generates racism via white resentment .

[Edited on June 10, 2020 at 3:44 AM. Reason : also be careful not to conflate religion and nationality with race]

6/10/2020 3:43:25 AM

horosho
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man hannity must lose a lot of sleep over chicago they spent about 10 minutes talking about chicago violence in tonights townhall. wild.

6/26/2020 2:53:43 AM

horosho
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Tucker Carlson is so close to getting "it". He just did a segment on the premise of "why don't we look at what other countries have had success with and duplicate their ideas. Of course this was only based on confirming what he wanted to say anyway, so theres work to do but if someone can buy that thinking from his show, they'll be more likely to buy the same reasoning on healthcare, homelessness, prisons, labor, etc.

7/8/2020 12:40:21 AM

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Please go on with the rest of that quote. It is quite fascinating.

7/8/2020 12:58:17 AM

rwoody
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Tucker close to getting it
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"here's both videos together: https://t.co/F3MsldCxQC "



Tucker close to getting it

7/8/2020 7:54:04 AM

NyM410
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I can’t figure out if Earl (and other self-proclaimed leftists in Brazil who work for the intercept) actually legitimately likes the racism or just tolerates it.

7/8/2020 1:03:56 PM

horosho
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The clip rwoody posted was from a completely different segment that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. One day you will realize its possible for someone you generally disagree with to make a valid point. I have the ability to evaluate arguments based on merit and not the resume of the person making them. What some of you do on here is a neverending ad hominem fallacy. 'Tucker said racist things about Ilhan Omar therefore his take on school reponening is invalid'. 'Horosho said some things that made me mad, therefore he is earl and every point he makes is automatically invalid'.

I've never cosigned a racist segment nor would vote for Tucker Carlson (or any racist) so you can stop with the projecting.

7/8/2020 3:50:29 PM

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You have to point out the whole picture bc you're attempting to imply that some minor perceived good he might impart can outweigh the extreme bad. He's a vile racist that espouses ethnic cleansing and should have NO platform much less a national cable channel. You think when his acolytes commit domestic terrorism to incite a race war, that maybe they'll also advocate for socialism?? Who gives a shit if he says something you agree with every now and then?

7/8/2020 4:01:56 PM

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Hitler said it's important to drink water and stay hydrated

7/8/2020 5:11:36 PM

Bullet
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I mean, Hitler was an advocate for animal conservation, and apparently was a big opponent of tobacco use....

[Edited on July 8, 2020 at 5:25 PM. Reason : ]

7/8/2020 5:24:33 PM

NyM410
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^^^ this.

So he tolerates it. He was praising Tucker in the COVID thread too. Luckily, Earl has no platform but there are absolutely those who signal boost him and the DailyCaller who do have meaningful platforms and it’s a major problem if they actually are leftists (I’m skeptical, tbh).

EVERYONE says things from time to time that you agree with. Even Trump. But the totality of their beliefs make them too toxic to boost. Period. Tucker is as toxic a person who has a wide reaching audience as anyone aside from maybe Rush. Everyone knew Glenn Beck was a freak show but Tucker is more “polished” and far more dangerous.

7/8/2020 6:37:56 PM

horosho
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Well to some degree you have to tolerate racism if you are participating in a country that is inherently racist throughout. Its not that anyone wants to tolerate racism its just that everyone has a different blindspot towards racism. Colorblind people like Tucker aren't actively trying to be racist, they simply have a massive blindspot to what racism is so they don't want to change what they don't think exists. They don't think any colorblind intention can be racist. Racism has to be explicit to them.

I have much smaller blindspot for racism than you so if I canceled everyone who has embraced any racist idea, I'd have about 5 people left to talk to and the entire MSM would be canceled as well. I'd be relegating myself to an echo chamber of the 1% of the country who I see as completely antiracist but then there would be a subgroup of them who have a smaller blindspot than even me and think I'm too racist...

That isn't going to be beneficial because if everyone is just left to their own ideology, nothing changes. I disagree that muting toxic ideas is the way to fight them. They need to be amplified so dialogue between antiracsits and people who hold racist ideas by the default of an upbringing in a racist society can take place. If you're just going to write off 50-75% of the country, nothing will ever change. Agreeing with people on some issues serves as an olive branch. Its how you connect with people on a human level. From there, anything is possible.

Its much more productive to take the Dweck approach and label ideas, actions, and policies as racist rather than people(except people who are explicitly racist). That way people aren't pushed away and can drop the racist ideas without feeling personally attacked.

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"He's a vile racist that espouses ethnic cleansing and should have NO platform much less a national cable channel. You think when his acolytes commit domestic terrorism to incite a race war, that maybe they'll also advocate for socialism??"

Where did he spouse ethnic cleansing? He seems to be completely against a race war so much that he advocates colorblindness and equality under the law which is where I see his veiled racism/racial insensitivity. Maybe I missed something he did long ago but i dont see a bit of overt racism. I haven't studied the guy's past and just watch his show so I could be missing something.

The pic you posted is completely out of context. Did you even watch that segment? He was referring to our heritage of capitalism, and the exceptionalism that is a product of our founders/constitution/declaration of independence. That was made explicitly clear and was response to explicit remarks by those two women. You are reading too far into something that isn't there.

I also want to remind you that capitalism IS "our heritage" and many democrats gave Trump a standing ovation for saying we will never be a socialist nation.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=416898935744430

[Edited on July 8, 2020 at 11:23 PM. Reason : amplify the areas where you agree to boost dialogue. ]

7/8/2020 11:12:42 PM

horosho
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Its analogous to climate change. Everyone does things that have a high carbon footprint but we don't need to label anyone who takes a flight or eats a steak as a "planet killer" because they obviously don't see their actions that way. Instead, there needs to be a dialogue where we help them make the connections and encourage them to be more aware of the effects their everyday actions have on the planet.

Racism, just like carbon footprint is built into everyday life and you have to actually be educated on it and be able to make a series of connections to know how a system is racist. In general, the less information/experiences available for people to be able make these connections, the further right they are on these issues.

7/8/2020 11:20:56 PM

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" One day you will realize its possible for someone you generally disagree with to make a valid point."


You must have a broad ass definition of “generally”

7/9/2020 12:43:09 AM

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"Colorblind people like Tucker aren't actively trying to be racist, they simply have a massive blindspot to what racism is so they don't want to change what they don't think exists."


Lmao you are so full of shit.

7/9/2020 10:59:31 AM

NyM410
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Tucker is essentially a closeted socialist is just bait. I’m done.

7/9/2020 11:20:38 AM

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https://twitter.com/drdavidduke/status/1281259443775320065?s=21

I’m sure David Duke likes him for his defense of capitalism and not any other part of his rhetoric.

(Ignore my last post — I misread Earls)

7/9/2020 12:38:19 PM

horosho
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Its like saying anyone who thinks Israel is on Palestinian land hates jews because if you hold that position, antisemites will support you but its also entirely possible for someone to be against Israel without being an antisemite.

Two people can support some of the same ideas for completely different reasons. You should be able to differentiate between plain ole conservative nationalists and people like david duke or richard spencer. Could someone like Tucker secretly be the same? Of course...but most conservatives and even most people who hold racist views still reject the KKK and nazis.

but you would never know this without talking to them and finding out why they support what they support. Some people don't want the US taking in poor people and the people who don't want the US taking non-white people support them.

and I get that both ends are racist but its plausible that someone who just wants to keep poor people out on a colorblind basis does not recognize how that is racist.

7/9/2020 1:53:07 PM

StTexan
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That last paragraph cracked me up

7/10/2020 3:28:53 AM

thegoodlife3
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/media/tucker-carlson-writer-blake-neff/index.html

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"Tucker Carlson's top writer resigns after secretly posting racist and sexist remarks in online forum"


incredible coincidence that Tucker always seems to be surrounded by people like this

7/10/2020 7:05:54 PM

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/media/tucker-carlson-writer-blake-neff/index.html

Colorblind

7/10/2020 8:09:13 PM

horosho
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^^We all are. Thats what happens when you live in a racist country. Of course, these kinds of people are more attracted to certain professions and ideologies but they are everywhere. Policing, for example, is a covertly racist system so it attracts a lot of overtly racist individuals who get to carry out racist acts simply by doing their job alongside colorblind officers who don't most people would claim are not racist at all. Now thats what you call nuance.

Few people will admit it, but most Americans have family members who say awful, racist things like that in private.

[Edited on July 10, 2020 at 9:22 PM. Reason : stop pretending you're not in a racist country]

7/10/2020 9:20:58 PM

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All you need to know that Fox News is just a garbage lie machine is to read the BLS report (the actual report from the BLS itself) from last Friday and then read the Fox News articles trying to "report" on it. Pretty hilarious how egregious the lies are in the Fox article.

[Edited on July 10, 2020 at 9:24 PM. Reason : a]

7/10/2020 9:23:31 PM

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that's some Eric Stratton shit up there

7/10/2020 9:49:03 PM

NyM410
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What’s the point of defending Tucker Carlson?

There is literally ZERO coalition of leftist but extremely racist in America except Stalin-lite.

Earl needs to shit or get off the pot. Does he have more in common with David Duke or Bernie Sanders. His posts on here sure scream Duke.

7/10/2020 11:13:59 PM

horosho
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Where did I say Tucker was leftist or anything that inspired this last post? He is far right clearly but if you can't see the difference between someone like that and someone like David Duke, then you are lost. The guy spends more airtime disclaiming and denouncing explicit racism than anyone.

Then theres this ongoing theme of you thinking defending a point someone made is "defending that person" and the worst of what they believe. Acknowledging a good point here and there is not an endorsement. I may disagree with Tucker 90% of the time, but he can lay out a helluvan argument and thats absolutely rare on network TV.

Its also impossible to determine if you are responding to what I'm saying since you think I'm someone else and continue to address your posts to Earl. Its also confusing because you usually start posts with conclusions and go from there without explaining the reasoning behind the conclusions. Like, I'd love to see how you make the Jump from me claiming racists were all around us in this country to me being like David Duke.

[Edited on July 11, 2020 at 12:42 AM. Reason : "merit based equality" not inherently a racist idea. only racist in context of existing systemic ra]

7/11/2020 12:28:42 AM

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https://www.wral.com/foxs-carlson-criticizes-ex-writer-self-righteous-critics/19187347/

You ruined a young man's life, you self-righteous holier-than-thou ghouls!

7/14/2020 11:33:15 AM

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