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3/29/2009 12:38:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7upgaUAcjbc

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3/29/2009 12:40:43 PM

haha girls don't want to hear "you're not fat" because if they are then they know it and then you are just a liar. They want to hear that you find them attractive anyways

3/29/2009 12:49:05 PM

but that's what he said.

3/29/2009 12:51:06 PM

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"he said "I could care less," which she probably took as, "you're fat but I want to hit it so whatev." "

I just thought of George Costanza so I laughed.

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"Paula: (seductively) You could drape yourself in velvet, for all I care. George: Velvet..."

3/29/2009 1:00:00 PM

If a girl is naked in your bed and ready to fuck, this is no time for honesty. Save that for after you nut.

3/29/2009 1:01:16 PM

I think this was my favorite part:

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"the nicest (or least mean) most tactful (or least tactless)"

andddd why not go out with both?

3/29/2009 1:23:36 PM

Okay, so I guess what I have learned so far is....

When a woman makes any remark whatsoever about her appearance, en garde! Zoom out of whatever passionate, thoughtless mood you're in, recognize that danger is looming, and frame a suitably diplomatic and flattering reply.

It is rather disappointing that this should be necessary, because I like to be completely honest and not weigh my words at all, especially with lying in bed with a (prospective) significant other; but this is the world we live in, I suppose.

3/29/2009 1:57:35 PM

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"because I like to be completely honest and not weigh my words at all, especially with lying in bed with a (prospective) significant other"

Then do so.
You DO. NOT. want to be paired with a woman who can't handle something you place a lot of value on.

3/29/2009 2:09:28 PM

I hear that...but it seems to me there would be no harm in doing a little compromising. I'd rather make some tiny adjustments in my approach, than shoot myself in the foot for no good reason.

F'rinstance, I went out with this one girl, and after we broke up I heard that she had been really offended because I had never told her she was beautiful. But she wasn't beautiful, and that's why I hadn't told her so. But if I had, it would have cost me nothing and made her happy.

I guess it comes down to this: I'd really love to meet a woman who had no emotional issues, who was frank and candid and secure, and with whom I could shoot straight. But it might be hard to find those qualities in a woman who was also smart and hot. And I'd be okay dealing with a super-cool, smart, pretty chick who was a little sensitive here or there (as most women are); and I wouldn't want to destroy a potentially great relationship, just for the sake of staying true to an idealism which might be hopelessly optimistic.

3/29/2009 2:24:21 PM

hahaha, a woman with no emotional issues is like asking for a monkey that doesn't throw shit.


but think about it, everyone likes a compliment on their looks

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3/29/2009 2:25:59 PM

I've met some, but they do seem to be mighty mighty rare

Regarding compliments on looks: Even if they know it's a lie? That's what I don't get. But come to think of it, it is nice to hear women comment favorably on certain aspects of my appearance, even if I know they're lying...I can half-believe them, and deceive myself

3/29/2009 2:30:48 PM

I mean don't lie to her, but you were dating her right? there had to be something about her looks like that you liked. if you don't like it all compliment what you do like.

3/29/2009 2:33:27 PM

yeah, there were...but I still should've lied...it would've been easier and that was what she wanted

3/29/2009 2:44:19 PM

You don't have to lie. Just give her plenty of compliments on the things you do like.

"I eyes are beautiful when you smile"

I mean she is hearing the word beautiful there. Unless he's gonna pick that apart and be like "why doesn't he say anything else is beautiful.

3/29/2009 2:45:53 PM

that's what she would have done

3/29/2009 2:46:42 PM

Then screw that.

3/29/2009 2:47:11 PM

much safer to lie

3/29/2009 2:48:12 PM

Nope...even if it's just a small simple lie, they will come back and bite you in the ass.

3/29/2009 2:49:11 PM

I could be wrong, but I think most reasonably attractive women would like to be told they are beautiful, even if they are not

there are lies, and lies

3/29/2009 2:50:43 PM

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"I guess it comes down to this: I'd really love to meet a woman who had no emotional issues, who was frank and candid and secure, and with whom I could shoot straight. But it might be hard to find those qualities in a woman who was also smart and hot."

DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

3/29/2009 2:53:23 PM

hit it and quit it

brah

3/29/2009 3:14:11 PM

i used to think like this in like 11th grade

3/29/2009 8:51:54 PM

The fact is.. women like that don't exist Jeff.. and newsflash.. neither do guys. Everyone has some sort of hangup either physically or emotionally even small ones

3/29/2009 9:07:27 PM

Sure they do...I have met them here and there. I mean, yes, everybody gets sad sometimes, and yes, most everybody has some insecurities; but there are women who are confident, secure with themselves, and not emotionally touchy, in addition to being smart and hot. They exist; they're just really, really, really hard to find. And when you find 'em, they usually have boyfriends or (I'm getting old) are engaged or married

3/29/2009 9:26:16 PM

Look, if you're willing to lie to a woman to placate her insecurities, you deserve the women you end up with.

It's totally okay to hold out for someone worth dating. Who doesn't need her ego assuaged by lies.

3/29/2009 9:27:23 PM

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"But she wasn't beautiful"

LOL

3/29/2009 9:31:20 PM

^^

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"lie to a woman to placate her insecurities"

I could be wrong, but I think at least 80% of the in-a-relationship male population (conservatively) does just that

but that doesn't mean that a given person needs to do it, and dammit, you're right...I don't want to marry anyone who requires me to lie to her

however,

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"they exist; they're just really, really, really hard to find. And when you find 'em, they usually have boyfriends or (I'm getting old) are engaged or married "

Holding out for the right person is certainly preferable to getting into a serious relationship with, or marrying, the wrong one; but it does get frustrating. Thanks for the encouragement, certainly.

V that, and also, it makes one lose respect for the person in question

3/29/2009 9:37:25 PM

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"But if I had, it would have cost me nothing and made her happy. "

No, it would have cost you something. Purposefully lying weighs on your conscious.

3/29/2009 9:38:57 PM

on another note, you should get in touch w/ the helpcenter girl and point out that since she no longer comes in for help, you two should go out.

3/29/2009 9:42:34 PM

I actually sent her an e-mail yesterday saying that she should feel welcome to come to the help center when I am there, because I've asked out a million women and wouldn't find it in the least bit awkward to see her, and I'd hate to be depriving her of math help that she needs

she hasn't replied, but maybe she'll be around sometime this week

3/29/2009 9:45:34 PM

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"I could be wrong, but I think at least 80% of the in-a-relationship male population (conservatively) does just that"

See, I would hate being with someone who felt they had to lie to me. I would hate to think that some of the compliments I've gotten are lies.

Don't like the way she goes down on you? Don't lie and say it's the "best you've ever had", tell her what you liked and didn't like.

I'd rather know exactly what the score is, and what I can work to improve, rather than not knowing.

3/29/2009 9:49:47 PM

^ man it always comes down to blowjobs with your way of thinking...

3/29/2009 9:54:13 PM

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"See, I would hate being with someone who felt they had to lie to me"

+1.

Now, when my fiance tells me I'm pretty/beautiful/cute, it's not a lie, because he's biased, and I try to show him the light, but that's gonna take a long time. He truly thinks I am, but this isn't a problem, because I know better.

There's a difference between lying and not knowing any better. The latter is forgivable, and the former is completely unacceptable.

3/29/2009 9:58:54 PM

so apparently zorthage is really good at lying.

3/29/2009 9:59:45 PM

Nah

Just being horrifically wrong. As most men are

3/29/2009 10:03:15 PM

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"You don't have to lie. Just give her plenty of compliments on the things you do like. "

You really don't have to lie. If you really dig her, but don't think she's beautiful, don't say she is. She won't appreciate it.

Actions speak louder than words.

If a guy is really attracted to you, he should not be able to keep his hands off you/want to bwn all the time/want to make you happy, right?

Show her your feelings through actions. Or compliment what you do like about her body if you don't like everything she's got.

3/29/2009 11:15:28 PM

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"so apparently zorthage is really good at lying."

LOL you would say that

3/29/2009 11:18:48 PM

^^
thanks for your encouraging input, Vix, and it is nice to know that such women as you exist...my idealism has survived this thread, I think.

3/30/2009 12:05:10 AM

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"Nope...even if it's just a small simple lie, they will come back and bite you in the ass."

True. I would much rather a guy say, "I love your eyes blah blah blah," than say something like, "You're drop dead gorgeous," because I know he's full of shit at that point.

3/30/2009 12:30:51 AM

^i agree...women know if they're beautiful and what their best features are. If you compliment those features, you get points. if you lie and say she's beautiful, she'll either slap your compliment in the face or she'll blow it off and call you out on being a liar.

isn't dating fun?

3/30/2009 11:14:37 AM