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WARNING: Article not for the faint of heart.

This animal should be tortured to near death in the worst ways possible. And when he has almost recovered after months, the process should be repeated. And over and over again, for the rest of his life (and he should be prevented from taking his own filthy life).

As for the girl's parents and brother (break his knees too), they should be locked up for life. They are animals for selling their daughter, and they don't deserve to have their other children. Their other children should go into foster care under good families who can raise them like humans and not sell them to barbarians. That should be a good enough punishment for the parents; not only will they be in pain from their daughter's torture-rape-murder, but they will also be in pain because they will lose their other children.

I wonder what will happen to this sadistic murderer... I doubt much. Will he get the death penalty as he should? Yemen, the world is watching.

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"‘Yemeni child bride tied up, raped’

By AHMAD AL-HAJ | AP
Published: Apr 11, 2010 00:49 Updated: Apr 11, 2010 00:49

SHUEBA, Yemen: A 13-year-old Yemeni child bride who bled to death shortly after marriage was tied down and forced to have sex by her husband, according to interviews with the child's mother, police and medical reports.

The girl's mother, Nijma Ahmed, 50, said that before her daughter lost consciousness, she said that her husband had tied her up and forced himself on her.

“She looked like she was butchered,” she said about her daughter's injuries.

Elham Assi, 13, bled to death hours after she spoke to her mother and just days after she was married to a 23-year-old man. She died on April 2 in the deeply poor Yemeni village of Shueba, some 200 kilometers northwest of the capital.

Her husband, Abed Al-Hikmi, is in police custody. The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen where a quarter of all females marry before the age of 15, according to a 2009 report by the country's Ministry of Social Affairs. Traditional families prefer young brides because they are seen as more obedient and are expected to have more children.

Legislation to ban child brides has been stalled by opposition from religious leaders. There has been no government comment over the case.

The girl — one of eight siblings — was pushed into marriage after an agreement between her brother and her future-husband to marry each other's sisters to avoid having to pay expensive dowry prices — a common arrangement in Yemen, the poorest country in the Middle East.

According to police notes from the interrogation of the husband, he was upset because he could not consummate their relationship and felt under pressure to prove his manhood. Assi's mother said she also tried to persuade her daughter to have sex with her husband so as not to shame the family.

Al-Hikmi took his young bride to a nearby medical clinic, asking a doctor there to administer her tranquilizers so she would not resist his advances. The clinic said it refused. Al-Hikmi then obtained performance enhancing pills, according to the police interrogation, and that night completed the act while she screamed.

The next day, he returned to the same medical clinic carrying Assi because she could not walk.

“I told him not to go near her for at least ten days,” said Dr. Fathiya Haidar. She said Assi's vaginal canal was ripped.

A forensic report obtained by the AP showed that Assi's injuries were much more extensive, including extensive tearing around the both private parts, suggesting that there might have been additional intercourse after the clinic visit.


Her mother said she visited Assi later that day, where she found her daughter fading in and out of consciousness.

“She whispered in my ear that he had tied her up and had sex with her violently,” she said. “I said to her husband, what have you done, you criminal?” She said Al-Hikmi told her that the young bride was just possessed by spirits and said he would take her to a folk healer to cast them out. Hours later, Assi was dead.

“She asked me to stay beside her,” her mother said.

The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen and has drawn the attention of international rights groups seeking to pressure the government to outlaw child marriages.

“Early marriage places girls at increased risk of dropping out of school, being exposed to violence, abuse and exploitation, and even losing their lives from pregnancy, childbirth and other complications,” said UNICEF's regional director Sigrid Kaag, in a statement Wednesday condemning the death.

A February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. The committee is expected to make a final decision on the legislation this month.

The issue of Yemen's child brides received widespread attention three years ago when an 8-year-old girl boldly went by herself to a courtroom and demanded a judge dissolve her marriage to a man in his 30s. She eventually won a divorce.

In September, a 12-year-old Yemeni child-bride died after struggling for three days in labor to give birth, a local human rights organization said."


[Edited on April 11, 2010 at 7:39 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2010 7:37:14 PM

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/care

4/11/2010 7:39:36 PM

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It's not a matter of making it so young women can't be married,

It should be a matter of giving young wives rights to protect themselves from stuff like this. It's their culture to marry young, who are we to hate on that? But the girls should be safe from things like this, and I hope that guy gets what's coming to him

4/11/2010 7:43:19 PM

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i didn't even read the article

this shit pisses me off so fucking much (child marriage)

i've written a lot of papers in law school about it. its fucking ridiculous.

this happens ALL over the world. yemen has been a country that lots of people have heard about in the past year or so its been in the news several times regarding child marriage. but it happens all over asia and africa and the middle east. obviously other places too, but asia and africa have some really high numbers.

and its just like the article said - its so fucking hard to ban it because a) its not like the UN actually does shit about it - i mean they try but all western countries do is say "that is bad" they never actually do anything and b) because traditional and religious laws take precedent over laws banning child marriage (if they've even been passed).

UGH

international human rights law has been one of my passions in law school - especially children's rights. its fucking terrible.

its also fucked up because most laws in the countries where child marriage is super prominent are still very biased against women. even grown women struggle with achieving basic legal rights. so its even worse for kids. boys have also been subjected to child marriage, but it happens primarily to females. for a lot of reasons. that no one cares about so i'm going to stop ranting now.

UGH

4/11/2010 7:44:03 PM

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khcadwal ITT

4/11/2010 7:44:39 PM

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"February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. The committee is expected to make a final decision on the egislation this month. "


Apparently making 13 year olds sex slaves is islamic?

4/11/2010 7:47:08 PM

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I thought this kind of stuff was par for the course over there.

4/11/2010 7:51:30 PM

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"It should be a matter of giving young wives rights to protect themselves from stuff like this. It's their culture to marry young, who are we to hate on that? But the girls should be safe from things like this, and I hope that guy gets what's coming to him"


Yes, it should be that, but is it possible to implement that? Give all child brides a satellite phone? Or a buzzer implanted under their skin which they can press to send a distress call directly to the police when they are about to be raped.

We are talking about little children here... any kind of laws or rights would only give them a means to get justice AFTER they have been raped/abused. They can't fight back. They can't complain. They can't run away for fear of being hunted down. So, what's your solution?

As for the "culture to marry young", that's fucking bullshit. You meant "culture to force young girls to get married to old men". You CAN'T force marriage upon ANY person. How many of the millions of child brides in the world got married out of their own free will? Probably none. Kids are kids, they can't understand marriage, sexuality, responsibilities, etc, which are the domain of adults. But yeah, if a 13 year old girl wants to get married out of her own free will, so be it.

4/11/2010 7:54:56 PM

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she prolly had on a short skirt or something.

4/11/2010 7:56:25 PM

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"As for the "culture to marry young", that's fucking bullshit. You meant "culture to force young girls to get married to old men". You CAN'T force marriage upon ANY person. How many of the millions of child brides in the world got married out of their own free will? Probably none. "



i agree. none. they get married because their parents need $$$ (and likely it is going to be an older man that has $$$) or because virginity is highly valued so the younger the more likely you're getting a virgin.

its just ridiculous. child brides and child soldiers

[Edited on April 11, 2010 at 7:57 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2010 7:56:58 PM

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I'm suprised they did not stone her to death for being raped by her husband that she never consented to marry.

4/11/2010 8:02:24 PM

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its her husband??? consent doesn't matter.

4/11/2010 8:05:47 PM

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"This animal should be tortured to near death in the worst ways possible. And when he has almost recovered after months, the process should be repeated. And over and over again, for the rest of his life (and he should be prevented from taking his own filthy life)."


that's just ridiculous, man

punish him severely...yes

torture him in the worst ways possible for the rest of his life...hell no

I hope you're not serious...if you'd really be okay with that, then I would venture to say that you're an animal

4/11/2010 8:16:29 PM

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admit it, jeff, you probably came at the thought of a 13-year-old wife

4/11/2010 8:23:57 PM

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"punish him severely...yes"


5 years in jail, out in 2-3 with good behaviour?

4/11/2010 8:25:47 PM

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dude, there's a thing called moderation, in which you do something neither too little nor too much

I didn't say he should be given just a slap on the wrist...I said he shouldn't be physically tortured for the rest of his life

there's a lot of room in between

4/11/2010 8:28:57 PM

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I don't think I could put into words how horrible that man is.

Something needs to be done about children in this world being used for sex. I think I'm gonna look into how I can help out the fight against this...I'm sick of hearing stuff about kids being raped and forced to be married in other countries because it seems socially acceptable...

forcing a young girl to have sex with you is not acceptable in any culture, I don't think any girl would look back on her life and say "man I am so happy that my husband forced me to have sex with him when I was 9" unless of course she was brainwashed to think that it was okay for that and she was just young and stupid...

Yeah...I'm tired of just sitting here and being sad about that, I need to actually do something about it.

4/11/2010 8:32:51 PM

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^^ Yeah I know there is lots of room in the middle. Didn't you see the question mark? I was asking you indirectly what you would regard as "severe punishment" for raping a child to death. So?

As for what I suggested. No, that was just my gut reaction. Of course, I wouldn't actually advocate it. Here is what would be fair:

Lock him in a dark room with a gallon liter of water and 2 McD Happy Meals. And a noose hanging from the ceiling. And a chair. And nothing else.

Don't open the room for a month.


[Edited on April 11, 2010 at 8:35 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2010 8:32:59 PM

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Well it seriously does make it hard for me to still be against the death penalty. He murdered that poor girl. But young children all across the world are raped and have their lives ruined even if they don't die. Everyone who rapes a young child is killing that child in their own way.

I want to believe that there is a special place for them when they receive their judgement in the end.

4/11/2010 8:35:41 PM

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^^ Here's my answer...I don't know. I'd have to look at the case carefully, and think about it for awhile. I won't say no to that, however.

4/11/2010 8:36:24 PM

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"Yes, it should be that, but is it possible to implement that? "


Punish the guy?

It's not like this was a surprise. She spoke with her mother and was taken to the doctor (by the husband, no less). Yet none of these people intervened.

Why?

4/11/2010 8:36:34 PM

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"We are talking about little children here... any kind of laws or rights would only give them a means to get justice AFTER they have been raped/abused."


And he said about "protect themselves from stuff like this", not "get justice for being abused/raped". To protect from is to prevent it from happening.

JESUS, I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE ARE CHILD/BABY MARRIAGE APOLOGISTS ON TWW


[Edited on April 11, 2010 at 8:39 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2010 8:37:35 PM

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^^Probably because in the place they live it's much easier to turn a blind eye to it than to stop it from happening.

[Edited on April 11, 2010 at 8:38 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2010 8:37:43 PM

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^^ There's no deterrent.

Unless you know some precogs, justice will pretty much always occur after the crime.

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Who's apologizing?

[Edited on April 11, 2010 at 8:41 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2010 8:40:26 PM

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"JESUS, I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE ARE CHILD/BABY MARRIAGE APOLOGISTS ON TWW"


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"It's not a matter of making it so young women can't be married,

It should be a matter of giving young wives rights to protect themselves from stuff like this. It's their culture to marry young, who are we to hate on that?"



[Edited on April 11, 2010 at 8:42 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2010 8:41:19 PM

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Well I just think that unfortunately in some cultures child abuse isn't as looked down upon as it is in our culture.

In our culture, a child abuser will get his punishment once he is in prision...I think that is awesome.

I just wish I knew how to stop the abuse from happening in the first place. Even if that child get's justice it doesn't take away the fact that it's already happened to them.

4/11/2010 8:43:43 PM

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child marriage is fueled by poverty and male-dominated societies and religious and cultural traditions...just so many things it is so difficult to stop

4/11/2010 8:44:50 PM

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^exactly...

and why should those young girls be tortured because they were born in a country full of poverty

4/11/2010 8:46:54 PM

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"February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. "


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"February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. "


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"February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. "


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"February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. "


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"February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. "


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"February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. "


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"February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. "


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"February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. "

4/11/2010 8:53:24 PM

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In NC girls get married at 15 and 16, and nobody sees any problem with that. There are a number of girls who are sexually active in some way in middle school. A 13 year old girl is not a dumb, defenseless baby. Marrying at a young age and taking on the responsibilities of a woman in your society is not something sinister. Arranged marriages happen all the time in the middle east. It's just different from your "better than thou art" attitude of rights and responsibilities. Open your damn minds.

Now, taking Viagra and tying up your arranged married girl and taking her until you kill her is obviously out of the ordinary, otherwise there wouldn't be a news article about it. But yeah, my solution is to punish people who do this to their young brides. I think the religious notables in the area would be more willing to allow legislation to pass that requires a woman to give consent before sex than they would one that requires the girl be older. The result? Laws that stop stuff like this from happening.

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"he was upset because he could not consummate their relationship and felt under pressure to prove his manhood. Assi's mother said she also tried to persuade her daughter to have sex with her husband so as not to shame the family."


It looks like the whole problem is because the girl wasn't willing to have sex with him yet. Considering a quarter of women in Yemen marry around this young, it seems even more likely that this was waaay out of the ordinary. So, as long as the man is punished than it doesn't matter how old she was. If she was 25 and he raped her to death, it would still be a problem.

4/11/2010 9:26:53 PM

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"In NC girls get married at 15 and 16, and nobody sees any problem with that. There are a number of girls who are sexually active in some way in middle school. A 13 year old girl is not a dumb, defenseless baby. Marrying at a young age and taking on the responsibilities of a woman in your society is not something sinister. Arranged marriages happen all the time in the middle east. It's just different from your "better than thou art" attitude of rights and responsibilities. Open your damn minds.

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I get what you're saying...but there is a difference between 15 and 16 year olds in NC getting married, a 13 year old girl being sexual active etc...
See the thing is, this 13 year old girl was bought as a bride. Her parents sold her to a man 10 year older than her. THEN he forced her to have sex with him.
It doesn't matter what is going on here...those 13 year old girls are not being raped (if they are being sexual active with their peers, even though I really disagree that a 13 year old girl should be sexually active) and those 15 and 16 year olds are not being bought and sold...because you cannot buy or sell humans in America, that ended with slavery...

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"It looks like the whole problem is because the girl wasn't willing to have sex with him yet. Considering a quarter of women in Yemen marry around this young, it seems even more likely that this was waaay out of the ordinary. So, as long as the man is punished than it doesn't matter how old she was. If she was 25 and he raped her to death, it would still be a problem."


Just because it's the social norm to do something doesn't make it morally right...

[Edited on April 11, 2010 at 9:34 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2010 9:33:26 PM

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this affects me in no way

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

4/11/2010 9:35:42 PM

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^^Just because you don't accept it as morally right doesn't make it morally wrong.

I think that raping a girl, married to you or not, is wrong. Her age is of absolutely no importance in the issue.

Also, the girl wasn't bought as a bride. Her marriage was arranged (along with the man's sister). Because brides customarily come with dowry's and neither family could afford to put one up (I say think of it like being required to buy an expensive wedding for your daughter), they decided to just trade. It's a different system of trying to get the best future for your family, but not immoral one. This particular husband didn't treat his wife correctly, generalizing this case as the norm in Yemen is unfair and probably very incorrect.

4/11/2010 11:10:00 PM

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"8-year-old girl boldly went by herself to a courtroom and demanded a judge dissolve her marriage to a man in his 30s. She eventually won a divorce."


that girl is baller. If she is that strong willed at 8 I would be interested to see how she turns out in adulthood

4/11/2010 11:21:45 PM

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I'd beat

4/11/2010 11:24:31 PM

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^^hate to say it. . . but what are the chances she actually makes it to that age? she may have pissed off more than a few people.

4/11/2010 11:27:54 PM

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This is why the rest of us don't respect anything about middle east culture. It's absolutely inferior


This guy won't get what he deserves

4/11/2010 11:34:38 PM

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^Yes he will. He'll probably get 70 virgin wives to replace her now, or some other major award from Allah.

4/11/2010 11:43:50 PM

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It's a sad state of affairs. But keep in mind, there is a significant amount of cultural relativism here. The idea of child brides is pretty abhorrent, and until hey end the practice, this will continue to happen, but there is a deeper issue. The reason we hear these things in the news is because or the age discrepancy, but as other posters have mentioned, violent sexual acts are all too common with the general population as well.

When you allow inequalities between classes of citizens (here: women and men) to exist, then one group will be inevitably abused. But again, before people get too outraged, we were in a very similar position 50 years ago and 150 years ago, when you look at the civil rights era and the end of slavery. That may seem like a long time, but most of these countries are younger now than we were when we dealt with our own issues.

In truth, I think TV is the best solution to the problem. People of all ages get addicted to it, it can be brought straight into the home (so no issues with women not leaving the house), and it brings all of the ideas of the world to individual households. No, obviously Yemenis won't get Lifetime or anything like that, but it will begin to expose people of all backgrounds to the world beyond their doorstep, and as a result it will be very difficult to remain in the past.

4/12/2010 12:03:06 AM

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Not that I have a problem with serious posts in Chit Chat, cause I'm all about some serious, but it is strange nonetheless. I hope this is an indication of things to come my sons. Things to come.

4/12/2010 12:06:22 AM

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"This is why the rest of us don't respect anything about middle east culture. It's absolutely inferior"


You're saying every last little thing about their culture is inferior to ours?

That just sounds silly.

4/12/2010 12:17:18 AM

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4/12/2010 12:33:47 AM

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I really hate to sound like a broken record here, but the only reason I clicked on this thread was to see if Jeffybattlestargalactica had posted something that was basically pro-pedophilia/child rape/etc.

And I mean...he did. Like clockwork. He must have some sort of notification system set up that goes off every time a thread with the phrase "13 year old" "sex" "rape" etc is created. I picture like, the batsignal or something. Except for instead of a bat it's pedobear.

That's one creepy fuck.

4/12/2010 1:38:26 AM

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It is clearly apparent that the husband had complete disregard for the health of his 13 year old wife. He raped her to death for goodness sakes. Call me an animal all you want, but that is some disgusting shit and he should suffer twice as much for his absolutely sick, disgusting manner.

I say entice him with a really hot naked woman so he gets an erection, then use a saw/knife to sever his penis and let him bleed out.

Culturally different society or not, there is never any excuse for something like this to ever happen. Have some decency at least.

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[Edited on April 12, 2010 at 1:49 AM. Reason : .]

4/12/2010 1:47:42 AM

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^^

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"something that was basically pro-pedophilia/child rape/etc."


I said "Don't torture the guy for the remainder of his life"

that is not "basically pro-pedophilia/child rape/etc." in any sense...it's just pro-decency

for me, it's equally creepy that YOU seem to follow me around, waiting for me to say anything that could possibly be construed as "pro-pedophilia/child rape/etc."

I hardly ever see you say anything to anyone that isn't derogatory or otherwise shit-talking...you bring nothing to the table but negativity

carry on, then

4/12/2010 8:25:14 AM

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i don't see this as a problem with young marriage as much as i see it being a problem of women's rights and non-existent rape laws.

it wasn't that long ago when western countries routinely married off their daughters to whomever was worthy at ages 13, 14 and 15.

Before taking any rash action I would like to see figures on the number of girls who are placed into teen marriage are raped and/or unhappy with their living condition.

4/12/2010 8:54:53 AM

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" RIPPED

VAGINAL

CANAL"



since the man took "performance enhancing" drugs, tied the girl up and RIPPED HER VAGINAL CANAL before going back for more, one must conclude that this is abnormal behavior even for someone consumating their marriage to a child. why the fuck would a 23 year old worry about his performance anyway? obviously the dude was a head case and probably raped her with an object other than his penis to cause such severe injuries. Otherwise, one assumes he would have sustained some pretty severe injuries himself.

in any case, something like this needs to happen to him as retribution

4/12/2010 1:16:47 PM

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