supercat329 All American 8453 Posts user info edit post |
Isn't it considered a violation of the Academic Integrity policy to take a paper you wrote for a class and reuse it for another class? Can someone cite a source stating this policy, if it does exist? I can't find it on ncsu.edu or northcarolina.edu 4/27/2010 8:25:23 AM |
factotum New Recruit 38 Posts user info edit post |
This is the NCSU link ... http://www.ncsu.edu/policies/student_services/student_discipline/POL11.35.1.php
This is the specific regulation .... The last sentence is the one of interest.
8. DEFINITIONS OF ACADEMIC DISHONESTY
8.3 The act of submitting work for evaluation or to meet a requirement is regarded as assurance that the work is the result of the student's own thought and study, produced without assistance, and stated in that student's own words, except as quotation marks, references, or footnotes acknowledge the use of other sources. Submission of work used previously must first be approved by the instructor. 4/27/2010 8:35:46 AM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45908 Posts user info edit post |
I've had professors tell me I should just use the same work. Worth a try. 4/27/2010 8:51:47 AM |
pdrankin All American 1508 Posts user info edit post |
I used a paper on some asian novel for both my Ancient Chinese Lit and my Ancient Asian History Class and it worked alright for me. 4/27/2010 8:53:50 AM |
mech Veteran 207 Posts user info edit post |
i cut and pasted two previous 3 pagers to get a 6 pager recently... 4/27/2010 8:57:20 AM |
supercat329 All American 8453 Posts user info edit post |
Thanks, factotum. 4/27/2010 11:07:49 AM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
Wow. Glad I didn't know that when I was in school. 4/27/2010 11:26:06 AM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
theres definitely something called self plagiarism (which makes no sense to me). i'd just do what was suggested and check the honor code. i have done it but i couldn't a) find something in the honor code that prohibited it (not at state) even though it was still sketch and b) it was substantially changed - not the exact same paper.
so i dunno. it is sketchy. i'd only do it if i did what i've done before and use the same research but substantially change the actual paper 4/27/2010 2:34:01 PM |
H8R wear sumthin tight 60155 Posts user info edit post |
I'll write your paper for a fee 4/27/2010 2:59:14 PM |
paerabol All American 17116 Posts user info edit post |
fatscrotum dropping knowledge ITT 4/27/2010 3:07:31 PM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
I never understood this rule, and ignored it.
never was a problem.
I can't see any ethical issues with submitting the same paper for two different classes if paper addresses the requirements of both. 4/27/2010 3:08:00 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Sheeeeeeeeeit this is how I got thru college
I probably only wrote about 5-6 papers from scratch....all the rest were tweaked versions of those 5-6 4/27/2010 3:08:54 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
I reused part of a research paper on stem cells for a religious conflict paper on...stem cells. 4/27/2010 3:14:54 PM |
FykalJpn All American 17209 Posts user info edit post |
reusing previous work may not really matter for a class, but can have consequences in the world of copyrights. not to mention, you're not learning anything by doing so... 4/27/2010 3:24:42 PM |
vonjordan3 AIR 43669 Posts user info edit post |
how would they know though? 4/27/2010 3:29:31 PM |
BigMan157 no u 103352 Posts user info edit post |
if you're able to reuse a paper it's not like you've learned anything new anyway 4/27/2010 3:30:56 PM |
Nerdchick All American 37009 Posts user info edit post |
yeah this is a stupid rule IMO. 4/27/2010 3:32:52 PM |
craptastic All American 6115 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^We don't go to college to learn. We go to college because that is how our society is structured. If you want to make that paper you have to get a degree. 4/27/2010 3:36:20 PM |
FykalJpn All American 17209 Posts user info edit post |
^^^academic journals are mostly a compendium of papers all about the same shit, or different variations thereof. you can write four essays about grendel and have each one be substantively different and the quality of the argument you make will inevitable vary from one to the next
[Edited on April 27, 2010 at 3:39 PM. Reason : ^i know ] 4/27/2010 3:36:31 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
This was the only time I was tempted to cheat in college.
I showed up to class with my tweaked version of a previous paper, and the professor began collecting them, and I started to hand it to her, then took it back, started to hand it to her again, and finally took it back and was like, "Uhhhh, I'ma have to turn it in late."
Late paper: -20 points Lifetime of feeling inappropriately superior to my dishonorable peers: Priceless. 4/27/2010 4:41:13 PM |
Netstorm All American 7547 Posts user info edit post |
Uh, I'd break this shit if I'd ever had papers that overlapped.
Unless the assignment is almost completely identical, your essential argument to the paper shouldn't be general enough to be submitted to another purpose, that is, without critical rewriting.
I don't know how you guys did it so often. I'm in lit, film, humanities, social sciences, and writing classes all the time, and I've never had an opportunity to recycle a paper yet. 4/27/2010 4:47:26 PM |
Chop All American 6271 Posts user info edit post |
I'm pretty sure I used different "revisions" of the same paper for different classes. I didn't feel dishonest about it then and don't feel dishonest about it now.
In fact we do the this exact thing at work. Our engineering department hasn't had an original idea in 75 years. I'm not implying its necessarily a good thing, but not uncommon. 4/27/2010 6:27:16 PM |
bottombaby IRL 21952 Posts user info edit post |
I've definitely adapted an old paper for a class. As long as you're not turning in an identical paper, I think that it's ok.
But as an English Ed person, I gotta tell you that the process is part of the grade/assignment.
[Edited on April 27, 2010 at 6:30 PM. Reason : .] 4/27/2010 6:29:44 PM |
crazy_carl All American 4073 Posts user info edit post |
just asked my brother this question, who is a college graduate, and he said "what, like flip it over?"....go parks and rec degree from uncw 4/27/2010 8:55:37 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
Since nobody has said it unequivocally, I will share that if you don't discuss your previous paper and research with the new professor who gave the new assignment, this is totally dishonest and definitely cheating.
If the assignment was to rework an old paper, then the professor would say that.
There are plenty of people out there who are under extreme pressure to keep their grades up and graduate and work full-time jobs and even raise children so I can understand the temptation to cheat. Still, many people manage not to cheat in the face adversity.
For a regular college kid who revised an old paper because they thought it was smart and wanted to free up time to party, that's just lazy and dishonest. Laziness is to be expected...the dishonesty part isn't cool though. Just take a late grade, fix a jug of coffee, and go to the library and write something... 4/27/2010 11:37:16 PM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
yea i don't feel mine was dishonest.
i mean i used some of the same research but i did a shitload of new research and essentially took out MOST of the paper. the argument wasn't the same. it was originally a 15 page paper i erased like all but 3 pages and then it ended up being 25 pages. there were a few sentences that were similar (from the 3 pages i kept) but mostly i just used the same sources that i had used before (not the same research really - i just used the same sources because they were helpful in this paper too)
when reading the papers side by side you wouldn't think it was the same paper - you'd just think the topic was similar.
so i agree with this:
Quote : | "Unless the assignment is almost completely identical, your essential argument to the paper shouldn't be general enough to be submitted to another purpose, that is, without critical rewriting. " |
4/27/2010 11:42:40 PM |
Dirtay Veteran 497 Posts user info edit post |
As a Grad from NC State, I am very hard pressed to remember a paper that could satisfy two different class's requirements.
If you have a paper that you used in a previous class that you can use in another class (exactly) then you should tell your professor that you are reusing your paper.
But, if you need to modify the paper in any way (and therefore, are not using the same paper twice) then you don't need to tell your professor that you are reusing your paper.
Basically, if the paper is verbatim the same paper, then tell your professor, otherwise, don't. 4/27/2010 11:47:31 PM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
^ that is how i feel
except i don't agree with the "in any way" part
i think it has to be pretty substantially changed. but then i'd agree with you! 4/27/2010 11:50:29 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
^^^Oh totally.
I mean, it's not like once you turn in a researched paper, you can never use the same research again. In fact, you'd expect it to be the opposite as you become an expert in given topics.
I trust most people know when they've violated the spirit of the honor code, and it's pretty much their personal business since they'll most likely never get caught.
And that's another thing that sucks! Since so many people cheat, I almost don't even support punishing the tiny percentage of people who actually get caught...it's not fair that they get screwed and made out to be horrible human beings for doing something that other people do all the time. 4/27/2010 11:57:52 PM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
i know i hate fucking cheaters. especially in law school because i work HARD. my topic for one paper was child marriage and human rights and the un and how their solutions weren't working. my other paper was about morality - if there is an objective moral "right" and "wrong" and i chose to evaluate that within the context of having global human rights law that could actually be enforced. so i used child marriage just to illustrate how customs dictate what is right and wrong and can we call another custom wrong? i dunno.
so yea some research was the same but i didn't feel sketch at all cause i still worked hard on it.
but i hate cheaters. i especially hate that there are people who consistently cheat (i call it cheating but i guess the honor council just sees it as coming close to the line) and get to stay in school and grad cuase they are rich and i'm sure their parents give money everytime they get in trouble. whereas some other kid cheated ONCE (i mean once is all it should be) and got kicked out.
its just irritating the bureaucracy of school. if you have money then ethics apparently don't matter. and i'm going into a profession where everyone is always skeptical of attorneys ethics anyway so you'd THINK that the school would want to hold us to a higher level. but whatever. at least i don't have a guilty conscience and hopefully one day karma will get those cheaters!! 4/28/2010 12:03:39 AM |
TheBullDoza All American 7117 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "i cut and pasted two previous 3 pagers to get a 6 pager recently..." |
Dont know why, but I lold
I picture this guy, taking 5 min out of his day to do that, dust his hands in satisfaction and then moseying on over to the couch.4/28/2010 12:10:33 AM |
Dirtay Veteran 497 Posts user info edit post |
I would also agree that it totally agrees upon the level of education on the school. Copying a paper you did for undergrad for another undergrad = totally acceptable.
Undergrad for Grad school = changing the work
Grad School for Ph.D. = changing the work. 4/28/2010 12:15:01 AM |
dbhawley All American 3339 Posts user info edit post |
i havent ever done this per-say, but i have taken paragraphs from past papers and reworked them into other papers (not copy and paste, but pretty much using it as a source). im a spanish literature major, so i write alot of papers.
I've actually used past papers as one of my sources for other papers. 4/28/2010 2:56:43 AM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
My feelings on the topic:
If you wrote something, you fucking own it. If they claim it's against a honor code tell them to go fuck themselves. if they call it self-plagiarism tell them "What am I gonna do: sue me?"
If you write a paper about how fucking awesome Carlton was in a Tale of Two Cities (I think he was a character in that book, I haven't read or discussed it since high school) you should be able to summit that shit for as many topics/classes as you want - even if the question has nothing to do with Carlton, that book, or even literature in general. If that paper fits the topic and is good enough for a 100, I don't care if you wrote it in 6th grade and this is a class in your second year of grad school; if it fits and is well written, it fits and is well written. 4/28/2010 8:16:14 AM |
quagmire02 All American 44225 Posts user info edit post |
i've reused work from one class in another on multiple occasions
it's my work, i wrote it, i can do whatever i want it, regardless of policy 4/28/2010 8:23:23 AM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "i've reused work from one class in another on multiple occasions
it's my work, i wrote it, i can do whatever i want it, regardless of policy" |
You filthy, integrity lacking manwhore.
This is how a bunch of losers got by in various classes of mine, it's incredibly dishonest and filthy. The point is to grow and expand your knowledge base son, not fucking cop out and re-use old shit like a little bitch. It's always hilarious to me when they get great grades on it too because they already had it graded before and corrected the errors, so they turn it in already perfected while everyone else actually busts their ass to do the work. You are what's wrong with 'uhmurica, bitch.4/28/2010 8:28:38 AM |
quagmire02 All American 44225 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "You filthy, integrity lacking manwhore." |
i graduated with honors...i care very little about what you think of me
Quote : | "The point is to grow and expand your knowledge base son, not fucking cop out and re-use old shit like a little bitch." |
if i have old classwork that can be used, practically verbatim, in another class, i'm likely not in a position to expand my knowledge base because the classes aren't diversified enough to do so...i'd consider this a design flaw in the academic program, but meh
Quote : | "It's always hilarious to me when they get great grades on it too because they already had it graded before and corrected the errors, so they turn it in already perfected while everyone else actually busts their ass to do the work." |
i, too, find it hilarious, but a completely different reason...i am efficient and the others are suckers
Quote : | "You are what's wrong with 'uhmurica, bitch." |
i'm okay with this4/28/2010 8:52:51 AM |
bottombaby IRL 21952 Posts user info edit post |
As many of you know, I am a licensed HS English teacher turned stay at home mom. As a teacher, I don't have a problem with students using a previous paper as their jumping off point for their paper. A part of the writing process is learning how to revise and enrich your writing. Also, through the revision process, you typically delve deeper into the work in order to flesh out your writing. It is unacceptable to just turn in the same exact paper that was written for another class. That's just dishonest and you miss part of the point of the assignment -- the writing itself.
On at least one occasion in college, I took a 4 page paper that was written for a lower level class and used it as my rough draft for a 12 page paper written for an upper level class with fantastic results. I saved myself quite a bit of time in the early stages of the writing process, but I also learned a lot about how to expand my writing. 4/28/2010 9:05:48 AM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
That isn't what this thread is about though. It's about re-using a paper, like simply turning in the original paper. That is what I'm referring to as well. I've seen people re-use projects, papers, presentations, etc. It's sickening and dishonest. It's nothing like delving deeper into a topic, it's simply cheating and not doing the work while everyone else actually does. You don't deserve your degree if that is how you obtained it because you didn't do the required work to get it. You were dishonest about your work and you obtained your shit based on lies.
I'M ALL FOR RECYCLING, BUT THIS IS NOT COOL AND FAILURES LIKE QUAGBITCH WHO BRAG ABOUT THEIR LACK OF INTEGRITY DESERVE TO BE EXECUTED VIA FIRING SQUAD. ] 4/28/2010 9:10:09 AM |
quagmire02 All American 44225 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "it's simply cheating" |
how is it cheating? i did the research and wrote the paper and it's perfectly applicable and valid for the situation
Quote : | "You don't deserve your degree if that is how you obtained it because you didn't do the required work to get it. You were dishonest about your work and you obtained your shit based on lies." |
because OBVIOUSLY a couple of papers and/or projects defines your entire degree
the fact, my knife-loving friend, is that i know my stuff...just because SOME people need to have the same stuff ground into their brain in order to retain it doesn't mean the rest of us aren't intelligent enough not to have to repeat the same thing over and over again
don't think this reflects poorly on you...it's not your fault that you have to go over the same material multiple times to get it down
Quote : | "I'M ALL FOR RECYCLING, BUT THIS IS NOT COOL AND FAILURES LIKE QUAGBITCH WHO BRAG ABOUT THEIR LACK OF INTEGRITY DESERVE TO BE EXECUTED VIA FIRING SQUAD." |
i realize you're trolling, but still 4/28/2010 9:34:42 AM |
supercat329 All American 8453 Posts user info edit post |
The reason I asked is because my sister-in-law, who is in grad school (not at State), recently boasted about "killing two birds with one stone" by resubmitting a paper (unchanged) for another class.
At first I couldn't find the academic integrity policy for her school. I wanted State's policy because I was almost certain that the policy prohibited this and that if State's did, then most school's would. I finally found the one for her school, and sure enough, their policy also prohibits it. 4/28/2010 9:37:01 AM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
^ Exactly. It's cheating, plain and simple, because you're just pretending to do the work. In reality, you're simply taking a past assignment and submitting it as if it's a new one. No different than taking another person's paper and submitting it as if it's new work you've done.] 4/28/2010 9:40:25 AM |
CalledToArms All American 22025 Posts user info edit post |
in all honesty, I think that the chance for this to happen is generally pretty small even for an English major. I just asked my wife about it and she said she never even had the chance to consider doing that because no two writing assignments were enough alike. (One of her majors was English).
That being said, I don't think I could let myself do it unless I asked the professor first. Now, if it was just "similar" and you were able to save time having a lot of the same sources and stuff already easily able to be referenced, that is a little different.
[Edited on April 28, 2010 at 9:44 AM. Reason : ] 4/28/2010 9:42:49 AM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
Well, I've personally witnessed it numerous times in engineering, so I disagree completely. Oh, and it was on a MUCH bigger thing than just a paper. I'm talking semester long group projects being completely re-used without any editing. Totally cheating your way through the class IMO. Getting a good grade by using something you've already "perfected" in a previous semester and doing none of the work while everyone else busts their asses and gets worse grades. It's straight up cheating, as I said before. ] 4/28/2010 9:43:42 AM |
CalledToArms All American 22025 Posts user info edit post |
What did you notice it in for engineering? I went through ME and I can't think of what you would be referring to except maybe some menial early group projects or something (bridge building etc.). 4/28/2010 9:45:26 AM |
quagmire02 All American 44225 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "No different than taking another person's paper and submitting it as if it's new work you've done." |
actually, it's extremely different...good try, though
Quote : | "I just asked my wife about it and she said she never even had the chance to consider doing that because no two writing assignments were enough alike." |
exactly my point...if the program curriculum is so poorly designed that you can successfully use work you've done in one class in another, it's not the student's fault4/28/2010 9:45:56 AM |
SaabTurbo All American 25459 Posts user info edit post |
^^ Senior year shit, not some freshman bullshit.
There are engineering majors besides ME btw.
^ You're supposed to be exploring new topics. That isn't a poor curriculum, it's YOU using the opportunity poorly and taking advantage of the system. You broke the rules, plain and simple.] 4/28/2010 9:46:06 AM |
supercat329 All American 8453 Posts user info edit post |
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that thinks she's cheating. 4/28/2010 9:46:21 AM |
quagmire02 All American 44225 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that thinks she's cheating." |
your sister is working smarter, not harder...don't judge her because the curriculum is poorly diversified
Quote : | "You're supposed to be exploring new topics. That isn't a poor curriculum, it's YOU using the opportunity poorly and taking advantage of the system. You broke the rules, plain and simple." |
haha, you don't know jack shit about the situations...but hey, tell me more about my undergraduate and graduate education...really, please
[Edited on April 28, 2010 at 9:49 AM. Reason : .]4/28/2010 9:47:57 AM |
CalledToArms All American 22025 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ I understand that...I was simply clarifying ME for your sake so that you knew exactly which major I was in that tied to my experience I was giving.
[Edited on April 28, 2010 at 9:48 AM. Reason : ] 4/28/2010 9:48:12 AM |