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12/18/2013 11:05:08 AM

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so that was a fake page? why do that? boo

12/18/2013 11:11:07 AM

gunzz
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just the part folt

12/18/2013 12:25:54 PM

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/sports/as-for-athletes-but-charges-of-tar-heel-fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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"A version of this article appears in print on January 1, 2014, on page A1 of the New York edition"

1/1/2014 11:30:17 AM

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Hell yeah, big time. Burn it to the fucking ground

1/1/2014 1:23:21 PM

GingaNinja
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Yep, first page of the paper edition on the NY fucking Times

And now Bloomberg
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"The Scandal Bowl: Tar Heels Football, Academic Fraud, and Implicit Racism"


http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-02/the-scandal-bowl-tar-heels-football-academic-fraud-and-implicit-racism

1/2/2014 10:07:07 AM

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"The impact could be–and ought to be–far broader than that of the Penn State child-rape debacle. That’s because the deceit in Chapel Hill points to more systemic weaknesses than the failure in University Park to stop one monster coach who preyed on little boys. And the Tar Heels fiasco adds race to the toxic mixture of athletics and rank hypocrisy."


Couldn't agree more with this statement but it will never happen unfortunately.

1/2/2014 10:18:10 AM

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The highest read 'Sports' story on the NYT this New Years day.

1/2/2014 11:04:13 AM

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Too bad nothing more will come from any of this. They got their terrible one year bowl ban and that is it. Who cares if this shit goes back decades and involves players from national championship teams??

Although I will say reading those articles makes me want to break out the popcorn.

[Edited on January 2, 2014 at 11:38 AM. Reason : cv]

1/2/2014 11:27:30 AM

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Wonder if these writers have seen Julius Peppers transcript. That alone tells the story

1/2/2014 12:09:51 PM

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Racism? Is that prong 4?

1/2/2014 12:55:08 PM

Fry
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the Race Card™ is a stretch, but a good distraction point for UNCCH* really.
i wouldn't be surprised at all if they decided the AFAM department would be a perfect fit for their scam just because they thought people would be afraid of being called racists if they did question the shenanigans.

1/2/2014 1:01:17 PM

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good thing all that cheating paid off and they got that 8-4 ACC Coastal Division Championship*

1/2/2014 1:05:52 PM

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^^

They had this whole thing planned perfectly, but on flimsy grounds nonetheless.

1. Creating 'lecture' style classes but make them paper style? Why not have them paper style anyway?
2. Having conversation with the academic folks on record in emails, and the unnecessary banter included. "Driving a hard bargain"? "Frat boys have come to know of this?"
3. Forging grades of Profs in the same department, when all he could have done was make them Independent studies under Nyangaro himself.
4. Investigating themselves that first time which revealed the 54 fake classes. Why release the result when they knew what its consequences would be?

They were too arrogant to think they would get caught, but they went ahead and had a shitty contingency plan anyway if things went awry. LOL, what a fucking embarrassment of a school.

[Edited on January 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM. Reason : ]

1/2/2014 1:18:33 PM

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interesting comment from the second article:

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"Specifically, the Carolina Alumni Review points out that Dr. Nyang’oro, the
professor (and department head) at the center of the AAS athletic scandal, was
employed by the University as a faculty member in 1988. Nyang’oro
became the chair of the curriculum at issue in 1992. The Carolina Alumni Review
also points out that Nyang’oro was the *first* and *only* department head.

As a matter of deduction, that means that African American Studies as a
curriculum was created in 1992 when Nyang’oro was designated the first and only
chair.

In 1992-1993, the University of North Carolina basketball team won the NCAA Men’s Basketball National Championship in New
Orleans finishing the year with an impressive 34-4 record.

The starting line up for the 1993 National Champion Tar
Heels consisted of George Lynch, Brian Reese, Donald Williams, Derrick Phelps,
and Eric Montross.

The curriculum majors/minors for that group are as follows:

Lynch (Sr): African American Studies

Reese (Jr): Communications (minor in African American Studies)

D. Williams (So): African American Studies

Phelps (Jr): African American Studies

Montross (Jr): Communications

It seems worth pointing out that in the first year a curriculum for
African American Studies existed at UNC (1992) 4 of 5 members of the starting
lineup of the National Championship Basketball team immediately majored/minored
in the brand new curriculum with Dr. Nyang’oro at the helm. In just one year,
an almost entire team happened to migrate to one particular, and brand new,
curriculum?
"

1/2/2014 1:25:24 PM

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Ha! 1992, when Duke started getting all the smart kids, and Dean had to recruit players like Rasheed and create a fake dept for them

[Edited on January 2, 2014 at 1:28 PM. Reason : ]

1/2/2014 1:27:46 PM

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wlb^, It's unfortunate, but that statistic of the 1993 team has been out there for two years. Unbelieveable they have been able to keep it under wraps. As everyone knows, 1997 and prior, Swofford, the current commissioner of the ACC and of course Dean Smith were running the show at UNC. it amazes me how Swofford's name has completely stayed out of this. Not saying there is going to be any paper trail that points at him since he was last over there over 15 years ago, but very few in the media have even mentioned the conflict of interest he faces. Especially considering he led the revolt of AD's against Clemson's Danny Ford above and beyond what the NCAA did.

1/2/2014 1:31:12 PM

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ahahahaha. Comment from that article:

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"As a North Carolina taxpayer I would welcome an investigation from Freeh. What we've seen so far is equivalent to Sandusky conducting the Penn State investigation."

1/4/2014 11:55:28 AM

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The only thing other schools can learn from the Freeh investigation is to NEVER let an external entity investigate you for your athletic problems

1/4/2014 6:44:31 PM

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The second article in Bloomsburg Businessweek in in the last week (from Friday)

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-06/unc-athletic-scandal-charges-of-fraud-could-be-tip-of-wider-revelations#r=lr-sr

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"The indictment of Crowder, a relatively low-level administrative figure, could crack open the case. It defies logic that Nyang’oro and his assistant would have operated a rogue department without the knowledge of more senior faculty members, if not top university administrators. It further defies reason that this pair would have created phony classes for athletes without the urging and participation of people in the UNC athletic bureaucracy. Nyang’oro and Crowder are going to have ample reason to sing as part of potential plea deals.

Even before that happens, according to Smith [UNC professor who's writing a book about the scandal], one or more well-positioned whistle-blowers are likely to go public and start naming names if they think the powers that be are planning to isolate Crowder and Nyang’oro as the sole villains. This thing goes much higher, and there’s much more to come from Chapel Hill."

1/6/2014 10:07:29 AM

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Can't wait for the book.

1/6/2014 10:26:01 AM

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"This thing goes much higher, and there’s much more to come from Chapel Hill.""


1/6/2014 10:51:59 AM

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That guy Jay Smith is awesome. He is literally the only person connected to UNC that seems to actually want all the truth to come out. I am surprised he has not had a "car accident" yet due to "faulty brake lines" or something along those lines that resulted in death or a coma

1/6/2014 1:48:50 PM

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this was published yesterday... didn't know about it until i was looking for the one from NYT on 12/31

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/opinion/acing-the-course-at-chapel-hill.html

1/6/2014 4:01:07 PM

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ha dude is writing a book, saw a chance to make his name i guess. gotta get published in academia.

hell, i'll probably buy a copy

1/6/2014 4:05:08 PM

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I will probably buy 4 or 5

1/6/2014 4:10:26 PM

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Quote :
"That guy Jay Smith is awesome. He is literally the only person connected to UNC that seems to actually want all the truth to come out. I am surprised he has not had a "car accident" yet due to "faulty brake lines" or something along those lines that resulted in death or a coma"


J Smith is the only one speaking up publicly. He is the figure head for whomever over there in the faculty is fed up with their profession/careers being thrown under the bus for a few basketball banners. I'm sure he represents many, many more. Same with Willingham. UNC can't do anything to them or there would be massive whistle blower lawsuit and even more evidence would have to be revealed as well as non stop coverage which UNC needs to avoid. I'd say he probably lost his seats to the Dome if he had them though, but I doubt he had them in the first place.

1/6/2014 4:17:15 PM

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"Dan Kane ?@dankanenando 16m
Just did an interview with All Things Considered's Audie Cornish on the UNC academic scandal, should be on between 4:45 and 5 p.m. today."

1/6/2014 4:29:20 PM

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http://www.dirtydankane.com

1/6/2014 9:40:51 PM

GingaNinja
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LOL, good to see Carl Carey now begging Dan Kane to stop.

1/6/2014 10:10:23 PM

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[old, january 1st]: http://www.universityherald.com/articles/6531/20140101/unc-academic-scandal-lasted-more-than-a-decade-and-saw-hundreds-of-forged-faculty-signatures.htm



https://www.facebook.com/UNCCheats?fref=ts

1/7/2014 10:22:24 AM

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^If that's true they should have to do 10 hours community service and have until the end of the semester to pay back $3.50. Anything above and beyond would be too harsh a punishment and may send the wrong message.

[Edited on January 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM. Reason : -]

1/7/2014 11:08:23 AM

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html


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"As a graduate student at UNC-Greensboro, Willingham researched the reading levels of 183 UNC-Chapel Hill athletes who played football or basketball from 2004 to 2012. She found that 60% read between fourth- and eighth-grade levels. Between 8% and 10% read below a third-grade level.
"So what are the classes they are going to take to get a degree here? You cannot come here with a third-, fourth- or fifth-grade education and get a degree here," she told CNN."


Well since they have a pretty good APR apparently you can.

1/7/2014 4:54:43 PM

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Looks like 70% of UNC athletes are gonna be mad when someone reads this article out to them

1/7/2014 4:56:22 PM

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To be clear though I don't imagine its much different at a lot of schools. The problem with UNC has always been:

1. The holier than thou mentality
2. Not playing by the same rules as everyone else/fraud/cheating.

I think there's value in having universities cover a broader range of educational needs. Not everyone who goes to college has to be on an engineering or phd level. I would love for the athletes to get actually appropriate education, but everyone needs to be on the same playing field as far as academic requirements for athletes.

1/7/2014 5:02:10 PM

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-- Some athletes don't aim for high scores when taking entrance exams, looking only to score high enough to become NCAA eligible. Most athletes are just going to be lazy, and their scores reflect that, because they'll get in anyway
-- Many times, low scores are indicators of learning disabilities. Really?... come on, man
-- Entrance exams are just one factor taken into consideration when deciding whether to accept a student-athlete. Other factors: 1) can he/she ball? 2) how many stahs? 3) ability to drive expensive cars with weed and guns (not getting caught is preferred, but not necessarily required)
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[Edited on January 7, 2014 at 5:14 PM. Reason : ]

1/7/2014 5:13:35 PM

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Spill Da Beans

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"Sara Ganim @sganim 12m
Even though she’s been vocal about what she saw inside UNC, the NCAA has never interviewed Mary Willingham.

Sara Ganim @sganim 12m
One of the saddest anecdotes From Mary: An athlete who would make progress with reading, then forget it all. Too many concussions.

Sara Ganim ?@sganim 12m
(cont.) “Clearly they're not telling them the truth about what they're going to have to do.” Mary Willingham.


Sara Ganim @sganim 13m
This didn’t make the piece, but Willingham says one recruit was promised he could study at UNC to become a barber. (cont.)

Sara Ganim @sganim 12m
(cont.) “He seriously thought he was coming to Carolina, literally, to learn to cut hair.” Mary Willingham.
"


Sadly she'll be declared a hero instead of people realizing the fact she was complicit in all this bullshit.

1/7/2014 5:14:19 PM

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"Sara Ganim ?@sganim 19m

This didn’t make the piece, but Willingham says one recruit was promised he could study at UNC to become a barber. (cont.)"

1/7/2014 5:19:39 PM

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^^complicit? She's a whistleblower and has been for some time.

1/7/2014 5:22:57 PM

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http://www.npr.org/2014/01/06/260265169/unc-may-have-passed-football-players-with-phantom-classes

The Dan Kane interview from yesterday on NPR mentioned above. Nothing we didn't already know, but the more news outlets there are that report on this, the better.

1/7/2014 6:18:56 PM

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^^
Yep, we need to firmly be on #TeamWillingham.

[Edited on January 7, 2014 at 6:33 PM. Reason : ]

1/7/2014 6:32:32 PM

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thought this was relevant

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html

1/7/2014 7:01:34 PM

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""So what are the classes they are going to take to get a degree here? You cannot come here with a third-, fourth- or fifth-grade education and get a degree here," she told CNN."


Or can you?

1/7/2014 7:04:01 PM

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Quote :
"And then another came with this request: "If I could teach him to read well enough so he could read about himself in the news, because that was something really important to him," Willingham said.
"

1/7/2014 7:08:07 PM

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[Edited on January 7, 2014 at 9:41 PM. Reason : Embed didn't work.]

1/7/2014 9:40:53 PM

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"When Willingham worked as a learning specialist for athletes from 2003 to 2010, she admits she took part in cheating, signing her name to forms that said she witnessed no NCAA rules violations when in fact she did. But the NCAA, the college sports organizing body, never interviewed her. Instead, it found no rules had been broken at Chapel Hill."


C'mon Man!!!!

1/7/2014 10:04:56 PM

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"Looks like 70% of UNC athletes are gonna be mad when someone reads this article out to them"


1/8/2014 12:48:42 AM

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^
Sorry was that you on PP?

1/8/2014 1:03:10 AM

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it's the top story on CNN now

1/8/2014 9:34:45 AM

Lionheart
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^4 & ^*

I'm all for her spilling the beans and tearing the university a new one, I just hate she'll be lauded for it when she spend years participating in it. I don't consider you a whistle blower if you go public AFTER all the shit has already come out and been around for a while.

1/8/2014 10:30:04 AM

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