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Greg Oden to the Heat?

of course he would never stay healthy, but for the right price?

pretty intriguing

12/4/2011 12:36:41 PM

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"of course he would never stay healthy"

12/4/2011 12:37:08 PM

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They would be unbelievable if they got oden and he stayed healthy. Because he's been injured its easy for people to forget how productive he's been in the games he did play

Honestly a team like the heat who can cruise to a top seed without him should just bench him until the last 10 games of the season and then hope he can hold up for a playoff run.

12/5/2011 2:08:48 AM

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I'd be shocked if he signed with the Heat.

The Blazers have already extended an $8 million qualifying offer, and the best Miami will be able to come up with is mid-level money. Granted, the security of a multi-year deal could have its appeal. But I think going to Miami would only place his career under greater scrutiny, which I could totally seem him wanting no part of at this point.

I think I read Bill Simmons suggest this, but either the Suns or Pacers may be an ideal situations for him. The Suns have a supposedly magical training staff to save his legs and he's from Indiana, so couple a homecoming with a low-pressure, small-market and that could be a comfortable environment for him. If he's willing to take something for around the mid-level, then he wouldn't be too risky an investment for either team as the Suns plan for a post-Steve Nash future, and the Pacers have Roy Hibbert in case the injuries do prove never ending.

12/5/2011 4:03:56 AM

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"players who have some name recognition that might get some $ even though they suck (Jeff Green,Spencer Hawes, kenyon martin, carl landry, nick young etc)"


Carl Landry doesn't suck. he'd be a great first big off the bench for any team. though a bit undersized, he's one of the few guys in the League who can reliably score in the low post. you're assessment of him is especially laughable when you go on to praise the potential of Humphries, McRoberts, Dorsey, and Sheldon Williams.

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"Chuck Hayes and Reggie Williams provide value. If Dunleavy is healthy he could be a huge steal for someone if he regains form."


I'm with you on Chuck Hayes. without having last season factored in, I've read that the Rockets have advanced stats that rate Hayes as the NBA's best post defender.

you're right about Dunleavy , too. if his body can hold-up, he could be a huge contributor to an already solid team. if the Hornets kept Chris Paul through the season, they'd be hugely improved with Dunleavy at the 2. I don't know if they could make it work with their cap situations, but he'd be a great addition to either the Grizzlies or Spurs. the Celtics could really use someone like him, too. he could play some backup point for Rondo and be a solid scorer off the bench.

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"Shannon Brown is becoming startable almost, great backup SG."


he's neither of these things. he will never be anything more than a serviceable backup 2. he doesn't play good enough defense to compensate for the inconsistency of his shot to deserve anything close to starter minutes.

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"Mbah Moute will get someones attention if milwaukee doesnt offer him much"


kills your team as a starter, but great defense off the bench.

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"Kirilenko is back to being an elite player when healthy, will be interesting to see how much he gets offered. he's a steal for $7m but not for max money."


only thing anyone would give him max money for is to swap wives. if Kirilenko ever truly qualified as elite, he certainly isn't anymore. there aren't any all-star teams, or all-NBA votes in his future. still, he is a player with a lot to contribute. I could see him successfully playing a Shawn Marion for Dallas last year like role for any team on the cusp. if Prokhorov went after him, Kirilenko, Deron Williams and Brooke Lopez would a good enough grouping to get the Nets into the playoffs. and if they could somehow acquire Dwight Howard and retain a Kirilenko and Deron Williams, they'd be title contenders.

here's a question: what happens with JJ Barea? clearly, he was instrumental in the Mavs playoff success last year, but could he possibly hold nearly as much value for any other team? and with Beaubois on the roster, should Dallas just roll the dice on him and not clog up future cap space? for the life of me I can't figure out what a reasonable contract offer for Barea would be. to me, he's one of the most difficult players in the NBA to assess.



[Edited on December 5, 2011 at 4:52 AM. Reason : ...]

12/5/2011 4:45:01 AM

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Can't see Oden going anywhere other than Portland unless the other team is overpaying for him (I mean he's restricted, so Portland can match other offers)

12/5/2011 4:56:47 AM

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If the Lakers somehow got Howard and Paul, it would fly in the face of everything the new CBA is supposed to represent.

12/6/2011 12:09:57 PM

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Man, if they got those two along with Kobe, I'd ditch the Mavs and become a Laker fan again.

12/6/2011 12:11:46 PM

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^^ Those people that say that is possible severely overestimate Gasol's worth to another team. He already proved he couldn't couldn't carry a team with Memphis and now he is in his 30's.

12/6/2011 1:39:53 PM

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He can't carry a team to a title, but he can carry a team to 50 wins and a 3 or 4 seed, which is pretty much the best case scenario for Orlando and/or New Orleans should they lose their top guys.

12/6/2011 1:49:16 PM

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Gasol gives New Orleans, at best, a place in the bottom half of the playoffs and a first round elimination for the next 3 years. assuming they're biggest interest is building a championship contender, after losing Paul, the best case scenario for them is getting back young talent and expiring contracts. then they bottom out, hope to score big in the loaded 2012 draft, and if they're able to select a true franchise player, utilize their cap-space cautiously, but wisely, a la Oklahoma City.

I read this on some blog and thought it was a great idea: the single best asset New Orleans could get for Paul would be Stephen Curry. he's young, exciting, still improving, the next most likely heir to the Steve Nash throne, and the son of a former Hornet great.

12/6/2011 2:21:27 PM

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Yikes I'm giving the clippers a chop. Three years ago caron butler would be a great signing but after falling off and then outright sucking last year AND coming off an injury he is most likely completely washed up.

3 years $24 million???? There is a lot of young talent out there you could land significantly cheaper. It's a shame bc I expected the clippers to make the playoff leap this year but this makes it tough

12/8/2011 5:13:20 PM

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i think they would have been better off getting Tayshaun Prince, but its not necessarily a bad deal.

it only makes it easier to now package Aminu with Kaman for a quality point guard.

and if they do no deals, they could start Aminu at the 3 and make Bulter the 6th man and have a potentially great scoring option for the second unit.

12/8/2011 6:02:15 PM

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CP3 to the Lakers for Gasol and Odom

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Correction: The proposed deal to the Lakers is Chris Paul for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, source says.




[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 6:08 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2011 6:07:28 PM

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keeping Bynum as bait for Howard?

12/8/2011 6:21:57 PM

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You are really underestimating how badly Caron Butler fell off last year. It was a horrible signing unless he's back to his old self. He's about to turn 32 and he's coming off an injury. Wings tend to decline sharply after 30, only big men and point guards are typically still productive. Honestly his value should be closer to $1M per season than $8 million.

Tyson Chandler likely to the Knicks. That would actually make them competitive and if they got Chris Paul and kept Landry Fields somehow they'd be the favorites to win the title.

Dallas probably won't be able to compete for the title without Chandler. They are really old and likely trying to save cap space for next offseason. Haywood is a decent replacement though.

Sucks Chandler isn't going to Golden State. He'd make them a really strong team.

12/8/2011 6:30:16 PM

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[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 6:35 PM. Reason : ...]

12/8/2011 6:30:46 PM

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i hope to God Orland doesn't bite on Bynum.

please, Chicago, offer up Noah, Deng, Gibson, Asik, your next 10 1st round picks and whatever else it takes for Howard.

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"Tyson Chandler likely to the Knicks. That would actually make them competitive and if they got Chris Paul and kept Landry Fields somehow they'd be the favorites to win the title."


with a frontcourt of Chandler, Amare and Carmello the Knicks would be looking pretty great. but how do they get Paul? I hear Stoudemire is who they'd have to deal for him, but why would the Hornets accept that deal?

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 6:36 PM. Reason : ...]

12/8/2011 6:35:15 PM

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Talks of Shane Battier to Heat. Not a All-Star name, but def experience, defensive presence, hard worker, and selfless player. Could be a serious pick up and huge impact in playoffs.


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12/8/2011 6:47:31 PM

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Simmons has gotta be going nuts after that Paul to the Lakers news.

12/8/2011 6:53:57 PM

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Oden took Portland's 1 year qualifying offer for $8.9 million.

It makes sense. If he can stay healthy and have a productive season he'll get $10MM/yr from someone but as of right now people were too worried to offer more than MLE type money. He could always get that later even if he gets hurt again.


Dwight howard to LA, Gasol to houston, and Scola/Martin to Orlando? That is an awful deal for Orlando. Both of those guys are alright but nothing special... good deal for both Houston and a coup for the Lakers. Gasol is great, but Howard is younger and dominant.

WOW. Chris Paul headed to LAL but they are dumping Gasol & Odom?!?! Chris Paul is a top notch player, but I'm not sure they get better by losing two great players. Bryant will hate having someone overshadow him and always have the ball. Weird trade. Is Bynum for Howard next?


Battier and Mike Miller are pretty equal in terms of value but with Miller's injury troubles and Battier's flexibility on defense that's almost definitely an upgrade for them. They simply have to get a center though, so if the move keeps them from landing one it's detrimental overall.

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 7:18 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 7:21 PM. Reason : a]

12/8/2011 7:12:59 PM

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^^Not as nuts as he's gonna go when the Lakers trade Andrew Bynum, Luke Walton, Ron Arte--er, Metta World Peace, and 8 future 1st round picks (all the last pick of the 1st round) for Dwight Howard.

12/8/2011 7:19:39 PM

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^^Gasol's already been traded for Paul, bro.

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 7:20 PM. Reason : ..]

12/8/2011 7:20:14 PM

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what did the Rockets give up in that trade?

12/8/2011 7:33:27 PM

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espn.com is saying scola, kevin martin and goran dragic.

12/8/2011 7:39:16 PM

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So much for the new CBA helping any of the small market teams. Lakers/Heat finals for the next 4-5 years.

12/8/2011 7:44:52 PM

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what the hell are the lakers thinking? That Bynum will stay healthy and they'll pick up more big guys? I know they are going to a completely new system but I just don't understand them ditching Gasol.

12/8/2011 7:47:10 PM

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They are going to try to turn Bynum into Howard somehow.

12/8/2011 7:49:11 PM

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
NBA owners have pushed commissioner David Stern to kill the deal sending Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell Y! Sports.

12/8/2011 8:53:49 PM

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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
ESPN CP3 trade latest: Trade with Lakers will NOT go through Friday and Chris Paul is expected in Hornets camp, according to sources

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Owners were irate in Board of Governors meeting with Stern, livid that the league-owned Hornets were allowed to make Paul deal, sources say.


[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 8:56 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2011 8:54:40 PM

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12/8/2011 8:57:10 PM

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I was hoping this would happen that they would kill the deal.

Sounds like a move Stern did himself to get the Lakers back in the finals.

I dont see it happening. its too easy.

12/8/2011 9:01:44 PM

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honestly that trade isn't unfair at all. Giving up two stars for one superstar is legit. That trade in itself actually makes the Lakers slightly worse.

Now if they can get Howard for Bynum, that's the trade that makes them great.

12/8/2011 9:02:10 PM

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I thought the problem w/ the owners is taking a star out of a small market

then again, I didn't hear of any owners griping about them trading with Boston or NYK

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12/8/2011 9:03:04 PM

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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
One source close to the three-team Chris Paul trade talks just told ESPN.com: "The deal is off."

12/8/2011 9:07:22 PM

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"Talks of Shane Battier to Heat. Not a All-Star name, but def experience, defensive presence, hard worker, and selfless player. Could be a serious pick up and huge impact in playoffs."


between him, Wade and Lebron they've got the best perimeter defense in the league. and his ability to shoot the spot up 3 will be huge for creating more spacing on the floor.

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"Battier and Mike Miller are pretty equal in terms of value but with Miller's injury troubles and Battier's flexibility on defense that's almost definitely an upgrade for them. They simply have to get a center though, so if the move keeps them from landing one it's detrimental overall."


at this point, Battier is much better. Miller is chronically injured and when he's actually been on the court he seems scared to shoot. also, Battier's defense is much better. Miller can create a lot more off the dribble, but the Heat don't need that. apparently, Miami is bringing in Eddie Curry to play center. if that dude turns into a player after a decade of disappointment, that'd be a pretty unprecedented reclamation project. still, if he's able to get on the court, he can't be worse than the Ilgauskus-Magloire-Juwan Howard trio from last year.

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"^^Not as nuts as he's gonna go when the Lakers trade Andrew Bynum, Luke Walton, Ron Arte--er, Metta World Peace, and 8 future 1st round picks (all the last pick of the 1st round) for Dwight Howard."


it seems crazy that just Bynum is the best they could get for Howard. if it was Bynum and Gasol, then sure, that's as much back as they can get from anyone. if Chicago is interested at all, they can put forth a much better offer than Andrew Bynum and a bunch of tomato cans.

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 9:58 PM. Reason : ...]

12/8/2011 9:56:56 PM

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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Our own @Chris_Broussard on SportsCenter: Chris Paul fuming and exploring legal options w/NBPA director Billy Hunter to fight blocked deal

12/8/2011 10:13:40 PM

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And this furthers the title, Sternball.

12/8/2011 10:15:12 PM

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Phil Jackson had this to say shortly after the NBA took over the Hornets nearly a year ago:

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""Who's going to trade who to whom? Who's going to pull the button on trading player or when Chris [Paul] says he has to be traded? How's that going to go? I don't know. Somebody's going to have to make a very nonjudgmental decision on that part that's not going to irritate anybody else in this league ... I don't know how they're going to do that.""


then Zen Master knows all

12/8/2011 10:25:18 PM

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This is just an absolute mess. People (not just Lakers fans) seem pretty irate with Stern for this shit. The NBA was insistent that they'd let the Hornets operate on their own without interfering, but the first big move they make the NBA immediately strikes down just because the small market owners get pissed (by the way, those small-market owners weren't getting Paul anyway so they've got no reason to get their pannies in a bunch).

This is why a league can't own a team the way the league owns the Hornets right now. The NBA has lost a lot of credibility in this whole debacle. I don't see any way that their rejection of this trade gets sustained; I think Chris Paul will still be a Laker on opening day.

12/8/2011 10:28:20 PM

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League spokesman: "Not true that owners killed the deal...League office declined to make the trade for basketball reasons.""

12/8/2011 10:33:29 PM

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haha

12/8/2011 11:01:51 PM

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The NBA is totally fucking with the Lakers' season in this nonsense. This is insane. Very anxious to see what comes out of all this tomorrow.

12/8/2011 11:04:24 PM

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12/8/2011 11:10:42 PM

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^^they probably helped them out.

losing Gasol and Odom nullified their biggest advantage over the rest of the league. and with both of them remaining on the team, they have a better shot at still swinging a deal for Dwight Howard, which in the long run would serve the team better.

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 11:11 PM. Reason : ...]

12/8/2011 11:11:01 PM

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Stern is straight pimpin the league. Wow. I did not have much respect for him, but I have totally lost it now.

The NBA owning the Hornets although gives him the right, it is to unfair to reject a trade that the teams have agreed upon. This could possibly hurt NO in the long run if CP# ends up walking away at the of the season and they lose all.


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12/8/2011 11:41:54 PM

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yeah i dont think you get better trading two studs for one superstar.

So the hornets would have gotten Odom, Scola, Martin, and Dragic???

How can they say that deal got turned down for basketball reasons? That's a pretty legit return for Chris Paul. Nearly a competitive starting five for one player, they probably won't get a whole lot more than that from anyone.


Jordan would trade Chris Paul for Nick Young and a 2nd rd pick if he had a chance.

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 11:44 PM. Reason : a]

12/8/2011 11:43:18 PM

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but Felton and May would be too pricey

i think the Celtics trade (if it was legit) was a better offer

Rondo on his own is a potential cornerstone, and throw in Jeff Green (who at least belongs in an NBA team's rotation) and that's better for the future than the Odom-Scola-Martin-Dragic. with those guys the Hornets are battling for an 8th seed. why tread water?



[Edited on December 9, 2011 at 12:23 AM. Reason : ...]

12/9/2011 12:10:38 AM

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damn.

12/9/2011 12:14:14 AM

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Suns get Shannon Brown. That's a big loss for the Lakers, it was nice for them to be able to play Kobe less minutes and not lose too much. They are thinking about replacing him with Delonte West though who is a total wildcard. Decent player but not all there mentally, might get into trouble in LA.

12/9/2011 12:19:39 AM

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