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"Voting in a Trump or Cruz over Clinton (FYI - I'd much rather it be Sanders) with a Republican held congress would fuck us for not only the next four or eight years but for decades. I can deal with a few more years of Bush/Obama that you'd get from Clinton given the wasteland that would occur if the current right controlled all three branches."

Its all about narrative though. Clinton/Bush/Obama has created a narrative that government fails at everything and more of it could push more of the nation permanently libertarian wheras a trump/cruz presidency could really wake people up and energize the nation.

People are going to call Obama and Clinton socialists no matter what and after 8 more years of empty progressivism, people will come to the conclusion that it just doesn't work... that it can't work. Obamacare will ultimately fail and will forever be used as evidence of why the government shouldn't try to fix healthcare when in reality it was government forced privatization all along.

Obamacare is probably going to end up keeping us from ever accomplishing universal healthcare in the same way that 8 more years of perceived liberalism will cost us the entire liberal agenda.

4/20/2016 3:30:14 PM

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I still wonder whether Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump would appoint more liberal or conservative Supreme Court justices.

Sadly, they're both way too authoritarian.

[Edited on April 20, 2016 at 6:08 PM. Reason : ]

4/20/2016 6:02:20 PM

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What happens if the RNC manages to fuck Trump and Cruz out of the nomination and give it to Kasich? He polls 4-8 points over Clinton vs. 4 points behind Sanders. The Republican convention is a week before the Democratic convention, so we'll know by then. Damn this cycle is fun.

4/20/2016 6:48:19 PM

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Hillary and the dems think Obama is a God so they would probably keep "centrist" Garland. What a betrayal to all liberals.

4/20/2016 9:18:31 PM

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The comedic value that Earl brings is absolutely top notch

4/20/2016 9:57:10 PM

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I don't see Hillary keeping Garland. This would be a bad move.

What i could see the Republicans do, if Hillary won, is probably push Garland through if Obama doesn't withdraw him.

4/20/2016 11:19:45 PM

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SuperPAC funded astroturfing confirmed

https://twitter.com/GRForSanders/status/723167578613407744

[Edited on April 21, 2016 at 11:54 AM. Reason : wrong link]

4/21/2016 11:49:24 AM

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^^ Or just delay until the 2020 election.

4/21/2016 12:45:47 PM

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I could see Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Clarence Thomas or Stephen Breyer retiring in the next four years.

4/21/2016 1:03:47 PM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/a-contested-democratic-convention_b_9672328.html
Its now almost mathematically impossible for Hillary to clinch the nomination. Now she has to win at a contested convention with superdelegates.

4/26/2016 11:36:03 PM

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Hillary can make a new racial insult every week and still be championed by the media as the only candidate for colored folk. Imagine if trump said superpredators, cp time, and off the reservation.

4/30/2016 1:56:40 PM

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Clinton: Roll Coal, lol, git'r done

5/2/2016 9:53:06 PM

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^^ or if Trump said Obama would have been serving him coffee only a few years ago

5/2/2016 10:54:56 PM

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will be interesting to see when the chinese start leaking her emails

5/4/2016 5:40:09 PM

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speaking of:

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"The infamous Romanian hacker known as “Guccifer,” speaking exclusively with Fox News, claimed he easily – and repeatedly – breached former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s personal email server in early 2013.

"For me, it was easy ... easy for me, for everybody," Marcel Lehel Lazar, who goes by the moniker "Guccifer," told Fox News from a Virginia jail where he is being held.

With no formal computer training, he did most of his hacking from a small Romanian village.


Cyber experts who spoke with Fox News said the process Lazar described is plausible."


[Edited on May 4, 2016 at 7:18 PM. Reason : b]

5/4/2016 7:15:00 PM

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Whoops

In other news, depositions with her aides are scheduled to be completed by early July, before the Democratic Convention.

5/4/2016 7:19:36 PM

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Kinda tied into her private email in regards to information security, but saw an article of a Wisconsin security company that "for a few likes on social media" to a Russian hacker, they received 272 million email accounts and their passwords.

5/5/2016 2:19:30 PM

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^^ i thought i read that clinton's deposition will be sometime around november

5/5/2016 4:29:52 PM

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I haven't heard of a deposition for her at all yet.

Her aides are being deposed in the Judicial Watch FOIA lawsuit.

Also revealed today that federal prosecutors in Virginia are involved in the email case. The same prosecutors involved with Guccifer's case. Shit getting real.

5/5/2016 4:33:05 PM

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this all sounds like a ton of wishful thinking and reminds me of the UNC scandal, given the fact that nothing all that major is likely to happen. she will skate.

5/5/2016 4:59:06 PM

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/fbi-interviews-huma-abedin-clinton-aide/index.html?adkey=bn

Looks like we'll know in a few weeks if charges will be filed.

5/5/2016 5:12:34 PM

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Charges lol. Did you even read the article?

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"The investigation is still ongoing, but so far investigators haven't found evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law the U.S. officials say."


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"this all sounds like a ton of wishful thinking and reminds me of the UNC scandal, given the fact that nothing all that major is likely to happen"


yup

[Edited on May 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM. Reason : VV I propose we make a bet on HRC getting charged.]

5/5/2016 5:27:32 PM

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"Did you even read the article?"


[NO]

5/5/2016 5:33:22 PM

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^^
did you?

"so far"

"willfully"

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"FBI officials overseeing the probe now expect to complete their work in the next few weeks and then turn over the findings to the Justice Department, which will make a final decision on whether to bring charges against anyone. "


they didn't confirm or deny if aides broke laws. and Clinton has not been interviewed yet.

[Edited on May 5, 2016 at 5:47 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2016 5:40:40 PM

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yep, Obama's DOJ sure wants to press charges and send Hilldawg to the clink to hand over the election to Trump

5/5/2016 5:47:27 PM

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if the FBI recommends charges, she's already done

5/5/2016 5:51:27 PM

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if there were sufficient, damning evidence, they probably would have recommended months ago

LOL @ interviewing her

FBI: did you knowingly send unsecure emails?

Clinton: nope!

FBI: k

[Edited on May 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2016 5:54:29 PM

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ok man

the Watergate investigation lasted about year before indictments occurred. then convictions a month later.

but plug your ears and don't admit there's a possibility for real charges to be filed.

we'll see in a few weeks.

[Edited on May 5, 2016 at 6:00 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2016 6:00:30 PM

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Plus you don't have to "knowingly" break the law to break it. Results from gross negligence is illegal also

5/5/2016 8:49:33 PM

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Yeah good luck with that

5/6/2016 8:32:04 AM

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http://secondnexus.com/politics-and-economics/the-fbi-email-server-investigation/

for those of you who won't bother to read the article:

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"A review of this material has similarly turned up no smoking gun thus far. Investigators expect to complete their work within the next few weeks, after which they will turn their findings over to the Justice Department. The Justice Department will then make a determination on whether to prosecute, but that likelihood has diminished significantly as a result of these revelations."


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"As a recent review by politico.com of other classified document cases demonstrated, nothing in this case raises it to an exceptional one, where evidence of intent or wrongdoing is more clearcut. The Politico review concluded that, historically, the Justice Department has only brought charges where aggravating circumstances underlie the facts, as in cases of espionage or willful disclosure of classified material. As the investigation in this case draws to a close, there is so far no evidence of any wrongdoing rising to the level of past cases where the Department has brought formal charges."


keep on hoping and wishing, I guess...

5/6/2016 11:59:20 AM

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idk what source they (or CNN) are using, but the FBI themselves have declined to comment on whether there is any incriminating evidence. why the hell would they comment and jeapordize the investigation?

5/6/2016 12:07:13 PM

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I just feel like trump with his connections is going to set a lot of things in motion behind the scenes on this, bengazi, clinton foundation, whitewater, and all of the sex scandals. Its going to happen one after another and he's going to be relentless about it overwhelming the headlines for weeks. So much new stuff is going to be flying out that charges or political policy won't seem to matter.

One thing he has already done is say he wasn't a birther and hillary was the original birther. Although she didn't do it herself, it was people from her campaign who first suggested obama show his birth certificate. If he can eloquently put birtherism on her, imagine how well he's going to be able to put all of her actual scandals on her.

and she has no strategy. her explanation of how she will deal with trump is the same as the jeb strategy. Its going to be a mess.

5/6/2016 1:21:35 PM

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dude - all of her scandals are ALREADY on her. and they have been for decades. it's why she has a high unfavorable rating - because she's been under the microscope for-ever. and yet she's still pulling more votes than trump. pulling more votes than bernie.

you can't trot out whitewater (lol fucking seriously?) in 2016 and make a dent because that dent is so old it's rusty and flaking paint.

you can't say anything about Benghazi that hasn't already been trotted out and disproved over and over again in congressional hearings

you can't say anything about Monica Lewinski that hasn't already been printed in a tabloid or brought up at an impeachment hearing.

that doesn't mean that Trump won't say those things. but they won't have any impact because the people who aren't going to vote for her because of those things ALREADY know about them. there's not someone sitting on the fence who is going to say, after some trump bullshit, "HOLD UP BILL CLINTON FUCKED AROUND WHEN HE WAS IN THE OVAL OFFICE WHY DOESN'T THE PUBLIC KNOW?!?!"

[Edited on May 6, 2016 at 2:23 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2016 2:23:02 PM

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That'd partially true, but stuff that happened 20 years ago actually will be news to a lot of young voters. Most people don't know shit about the past and certainly didn't pay attention to politics when they were 15. You'd hope that wasn't the case, but I assure you plenty of people are going to view Vince Foster as a sinister revelation of an ends justify the means mentality.

5/6/2016 3:40:47 PM

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"trump with his connections"


Are those the same connections that found out really super crazy earth shattering huge evidence with regards to Obama's birth?

5/6/2016 3:44:13 PM

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^^ but young people know of benghazi. they know of the email "scandal." they know things that are already going to push them away from her if they're going to be pushed away. no one can honestly think that something like Benghazi would be acceptable to a young voter, but then suddenly hearing about some failed 1980's business venture is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

"well, while she was secretary of state, an ambassador and former specops guys died in a terrorist attack in Benghazi, and that's not a big deal. but this one dude who committed suicide in 1993 is just a bridge too far"

trump has proven that there are a whole lot of idiots in this country. I just don't think there are many of them who are going to fall for some shtick about old bs

[Edited on May 6, 2016 at 4:02 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2016 3:59:41 PM

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^^ they're the same connections that have a secret plan to end ISIS.

And they have a secret plan to renegotiate the Iranian nuclear deal.

5/6/2016 4:02:54 PM

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Most people dont remember the details and nuances from those old scandals. Its not the fact that the scandals happened, but how he will use them to completely throw some of hillarys strongest arguments back in her face."punching back" as trump calls it.

I can see how its gonna happen now

Hillary: im gonna be strong for women

Trump: you discredited women who were abused by your husband (cites specific examples and stories beyond the popular lewinski one to drive home the point

Hes amazing at doing this. Its like you guys have paid no attention the last 6 months.

5/6/2016 4:26:45 PM

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Is your argument that you are highly confident Trump's going to win the elections?

5/6/2016 4:30:19 PM

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It's Earl. Who the fuck cares what his argument is?

5/6/2016 4:34:18 PM

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I'm not saying he's going to win but its going to be a bloodbath. Hillary people are misunderestimating him. He is going to destroy her in debates and that is going to swing a lot of people particularly white women. Its going to be a closer election than dems think. Landslide will be out of the window as soon as he starts attacking her and driving home the message of crooked hillary.

I don't think he will win ultimately because the map really restricts him but I'd say we are 1 major terror attack away from him being the frontrunner.

5/6/2016 5:27:19 PM

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yes," the map" and general voting patterns of the last two election cycles really do limit him. in other words, water is wet.

5/6/2016 5:44:10 PM

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Trump is going to force the Democrats to spend money and resources on the presidential campaign in northeastern states where they have never had to invest before for a win. He also continues to dominate media airtime without paying for it. This could put the Republican party at a financial advantage in other state-level elections that will ultimately be decided by who has more money to spend campaigning.

5/6/2016 6:31:19 PM

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He said something the other night in an interview to the effect that, "She was taking calls from Blumenthal (the guy Guccifer hacked that resulted in the exposure of her violation of her non-disclosure agreement), but not from the Ambassador in Libya."

That's going to happen from now until November.

Horrible decisions for political purposes alone, not for the good of the American people.

5/6/2016 8:25:18 PM

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PEOPLE

ALREADY

KNOW

THAT

BULLSHIT

STORY

for fucks sake people, there is NOBODY in this world who doesn't know about Benghazi and will be influenced by that.

[Edited on May 7, 2016 at 9:22 AM. Reason : .]

5/7/2016 9:22:14 AM

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http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/05/dear-hillary-im-a-sexual-assault-survivor-and-i-ca.html

5/10/2016 11:19:48 AM

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Jesus man, even I don't want to see that shit used against her. It was her husband for Christ's sake, she's going to support him if she planned on staying married to him.

If it is between Hillary and Trump, they will be able to find enough about Trump to showcase his horrible attitude toward women. I still don't think that it will kill the women vote for him, but still, if you're gonna bring up a platform on women's rights and it is between Trump and Hillary, it's a no-brainer.

And I must say, being raped twice seems really unlucky.

5/10/2016 11:24:24 AM

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cant get much lower as a person than to attack sexual assault victims for money and power. so disgusting

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she could have stood by her man without trying to drag the victims down

[Edited on May 10, 2016 at 11:31 AM. Reason : s]

5/10/2016 11:29:07 AM

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[Edited on May 10, 2016 at 11:34 AM. Reason : smdh]

5/10/2016 11:30:09 AM

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