http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/03/reports-challenge-unc-scandals-1993-start-date

Quote :

"Smith said he and Willingham identified independent studies courses as early as the fall of 1988 that listed Nyang'oro as the instructor, an indicator of irregularity since Nyang'oro was found to be at the center of the improprieties alongside Crowder. 'It's that course that really initiated or launched the system because it was a course that was created for two basketball players,' he said. After the initial course in the fall of 1988, Smith said irregularities largely disappeared until the fall of 1989, when Nyang’oro became a full professor in the department."

[Edited on March 4, 2015 at 7:11 PM. Reason : 66]

3/4/2015 7:10:35 PM

04-05 is so awesome. Those smug fuckes thought they were teflon.

3/4/2015 7:28:35 PM

Can't wait to see what happens to UNC if they were that harsh to Cuse.

3/6/2015 12:42:13 PM

Syracuse just got murdered. This is the best paragraph to take away from the NCAA ruling:

Quote :

"The duration and nature of violations in this case required strong penalties beyond what the institution self-imposed. Improper institutional involvement and influence in a student-athlete's academic work in order to gain or maintain eligibility is a violation of NCAA rules and a violation of the most fundamental core values of the NCAA and higher education. The behavior in this case, which placed the desire to achieve success on the basketball court over academic integrity, demonstrated clearly misplaced institutional priorities. Similarly, many of the violations occurred as a result of persons of leadership engaging in or condoning conduct that was contrary to the NCAA Constitution and bylaws"

That's UNC's situation in a fucking nutshell. Let's just hope they tie-in the correct dates. I will bust a nut if they take down the '05-'09 banners. Double nut if they somehow take it back to '93...but that might be asking for too much.

3/6/2015 12:55:04 PM

By the way they were punished under the more lenient rules based on when the investigation started. Think about that... UNC should just pack it up and go home.

** once again though the ncaa didn't have balls to take away a title so I still doubt we will see them do that to UNC. Said it found violations back to 2001 but only vacated wins starting in 2003-2004 (suspiciously the year after Carmelo)

[Edited on March 6, 2015 at 1:04 PM. Reason : X]

3/6/2015 1:02:33 PM

I'm still firmly in the "they're not gonna do shit to UNC" camp

3/6/2015 1:04:38 PM

Quote :

"I'm still firmly in the "they're not gonna do shit to UNC" camp"

same

3/6/2015 1:05:44 PM

Quote :

"** once again though the ncaa didn't have balls to take away a title so I still doubt we will see them do that to UNC. Said it found violations back to 2001 but only vacated wins starting in 2003-2004 (suspiciously the year after Carmelo) "

But does that mean they found violation in '01, but not '02 and '03?? Or they just chose to ignore the violations during those years so they didn't have to get into the "taking down the banner" discussion.

If it comes to that with UNC, I just don't see how they can work around it because there were so many fake classes during '05 and '09 ('05 especially was a monster year for fake classes).

3/6/2015 1:15:40 PM

the 2001 violations weren't severe enough to warrant a banner coming down and also they self reported violations that year iirc

3/6/2015 1:28:04 PM

Quote :

"Syracuse's penalties also include a five-year probation and the vacating of all wins in which ineligible men's basketball student-athletes played in 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2010-11 and 2011-12"

I think that is the key. These are when they were deemed to be ineligible.

3/6/2015 1:40:30 PM

^^ ineligible players are ineligible players - there are no degrees of it (unless you're Corey Magettee and Duke). My guess is they didn't want to even go there in 2003. Would open up a can of worms.

[Edited on March 6, 2015 at 3:07 PM. Reason : Just noticed that their final four year also wasn't opted ]

3/6/2015 3:01:31 PM

Yep. I have no faith that the NCAA will force UNC to vacate any meaningful wins.

3/6/2015 3:06:04 PM

Maybe the 01-03 infractions involved something like not following the drug testing policy (Not testing frequently enough or something) vs a particular player being ineligible due to benefits or academics.

3/6/2015 4:50:06 PM

^ Yeah...I've been looking for someone to break down the details by year. I find it highly unlikely that the NCAA would open itself up to the backlash of not taking away championships when the transgressions were the same for each year.

3/6/2015 4:58:56 PM

^,^^

Jay Bilas asks the same thing.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12432701

[Edited on March 6, 2015 at 5:49 PM. Reason : ]

3/6/2015 5:48:49 PM

I'm just curious if Boeheim or another organization/coach in a similar situation will completely, and publicly, flip their shit when the NCAA does nothing more than give UNC a halfhearted finger-wagging.

3/6/2015 8:32:50 PM

Fbook rando

Quote :

"Reading too much N & O. No evidence coaches steered players to paper classes. And even if they did, which they didn't per the evidence, paper classes are legitimate (everywhere). Kids didn't go to class bc there weren't classes to attend. You meet with advisor, pick a topic, and write a research paper. This goes on at schools all over the country. In addition, there was nothing wrong with the secretary of he AFAM dept. grading papers of the guiding professor approves it. These are called grading proxies. This occurs all over as well...UNC, NYU, U of Utah, even gasp...Stanford. If anything, the secretary is guilty of easy grading. There's nothing wrong with taking an easy class in college. In this case, the course was easy and both students and athletes took advantage. She also graded regular students easier than athletes (via higher grades). So again, no steering and no show bc there were no classes TO attend (accepted practice across academia). Rogue woman who graded liberally yes."

Engage blinders, activate willful ignorance and self deceit!

3/6/2015 10:10:44 PM

Yeah, ain't nothin you can do with that. Like arguing with a creationist.

3/7/2015 5:44:45 AM

Quote :

"North Carolina AD: Syracuse sanctions have no impact on UNC's NCAA case"

http://www.syracuse.com/orangesports/index.ssf/2015/03/north_carolina_ad_syracuse_sanctions_have_no_impact_on_uncs_ncaa_case.html

Quote :

""The enforcement staff and the committee on infractions have always said no two cases are alike," Cunningham said Friday night. "They evaluate the facts of each case independently, and I'm sure they're going to continue to do that in our case. And our case is vastly different than that case.""

ESPN does not agree:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12432553

Quote :

"Syracuse did not control athletics, basketball coach failed to monitor... He is a representitive of the University and he has to fall on the sword."

[Edited on March 7, 2015 at 12:53 PM. Reason : _]

3/7/2015 12:30:05 PM

"it all comes down on the coach"
"you're the CEO it's your responsibility"

haven't heard anything like that about the cheaters in chapel hill

3/7/2015 12:55:44 PM

Carolina would come out very easily IMO if all they do is lose Roy. Hell, some of those idiots want to fire Roy because they are finally playing teams you judge them by now, haha.

The reason Roy is on the chopping block is it was active his entire time at UNC and he is the one to sacrifice from the UNC camp. Like I said though, a lot of people would say that alone is not enough to reform the scale of what was scene from UNC.

[Edited on March 7, 2015 at 6:28 PM. Reason : _]

3/7/2015 6:27:12 PM

I hear ya...if it comes down to it, they'll pin it all on Roy if they can.

The man is understandably losing it, and they'll have no problems fucking over one of their own to salvage what's left of their reputation. But there ain't much of that left in my opinion.


I mean, I don't want to revisit this, but State cut ties with Valvano pretty quickly when he didn't even commit a violation.

3/7/2015 7:21:44 PM

Carolina will probably offer to vacate the Doherty years to placate the NCAA.

3/7/2015 7:26:49 PM

Quote :

"Colin Cowherd: "If you are hitting Syracuse this hard, they might as well go close the doors at Carolina for what they were doing. Layers and layers of institutional corruption""

At least the National Media hasn't forgotten...

3/9/2015 2:08:51 PM

They'd happily sacrifice Roy to preserve the myth of St. Dean

3/9/2015 2:18:32 PM

They'd rather bring down the NCAA than sacrifice Roy

3/9/2015 2:27:47 PM

I mean there are really only 2 outcomes here. Either UNC gets the worst punishment in NCAA history, or the NCAA loses any credibility it has left and this is the final straw that brings the whole thing down.

3/9/2015 3:23:40 PM

probably the latter I'm afraid

3/9/2015 4:17:03 PM

Quote :

"I mean there are really only 2 outcomes here. Either UNC gets the worst punishment in NCAA history, or the NCAA loses any credibility it has left and this is the final straw that brings the whole thing down."

This is pretty much on point. The thing is, UNC fans and hell probably students/alum won't really give a shit unless they lose a banner. For them it is really about those banners, like if they don't lose any banners that nothing really happened. If they do vacate the amount of wins you are talking about, it should be three banners.


The NCAA drops at least one banner (when vacating wins, as done with Syracuse) with something like a 1 season ban on Roy (like Boeheim) with no post season for 2 years.

Or it WILL cause the NCAA to pretty much go bottoms up. If UNC gets away with this, nobody has any reason to give a fuck about creating students from their athletes. Then we will lose college sports as we have come to know/love.


Now if the ACC wants to do something to show it's support of any NCAA decision then they will give ACC Championships to anyone who played UNC in the final and lost in the last two decades. Then we make shirts for ACC Champions 2007!!



[Edited on March 9, 2015 at 5:12 PM. Reason : _]

3/9/2015 5:09:56 PM

I just don't see it. It'll be same old same old, shameful headlines but no real comeuppance. Seriously, this is exactly like the outcry to every unarmed dude that is gun downed by the police: Everybody convinces themselves that the hammer will finally come down, but at the end of the day it is the same old "I had to use deadly force" line.

3/9/2015 7:10:54 PM

1. Let's not compare this to a race of young men being shot dead by the police.

2. Let's not give up hope entirely. I'm kinda lazy, but the only reason we've gotten this far is due to random oppositional pressure...straight up strangers on the Internet being like, "Wait a minute...that ain't right...here's what's wrong with that..."

We can keep pushing. They're already suffering. And, if you like shit-talking, which I don't, you got ammo for days. (I'd enjoy the whole shit-talking thing except any remarks sent my way make me wanna get violent. )

3/9/2015 7:21:08 PM

^^ I was with you til the last line.

3/9/2015 7:50:39 PM

one day, I hope to use this ITT:



don't give up hope wolf bros

3/9/2015 9:39:36 PM

Bump

3/13/2015 9:27:36 PM

pwnt the world

3/13/2015 9:32:34 PM

Adversity: The Story of the 2015 National Champion North Carolina Tar Heels

3/13/2015 9:34:37 PM

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/03/13/north-carolina-tar-heels-paper-classes-ncaa

3/15/2015 8:17:27 AM

Guess there will be no more playing of "Carolina on my mind" at the dean dome

3/15/2015 3:06:53 PM

Quote :

"“I cannot see how this can be an example of what we want in intercollegiate athletics,” Smith wrote in a blistering letter after his boss compared UNC’s 1982 team to North Carolina State’s ethically suspect ’74 champions. “Our basketball program is much more similar to Duke’s.”"

Man, fuck you you fucking UNC hack.

3/16/2015 9:55:58 AM

If they weren't like their shit don't stank, they wouldn't be facing such a scandal

3/16/2015 11:02:50 AM

that article read like the wordiest humble brag blog post ever.

3/16/2015 11:19:29 AM

The NCAA should release it's ruling on Easter Sunday. Not sure how that fanbase would handle the punishment and finding out that Dean didn't rise from his tomb.

3/16/2015 11:23:38 AM

go to 7:08

3/16/2015 11:29:13 AM

That's good and all, but it really annoys me when talking heads throw in anti-American sentiment on a topic that the majority of Americans already think is BS.

3/16/2015 11:56:35 AM

Are you ready for your Swahili exam?

Congratulations student, you speak Swahili!

3/16/2015 12:38:31 PM

^^^That was great

3/16/2015 3:23:03 PM

PINE

CONE

TURKEYS

3/16/2015 3:30:35 PM

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/12498874/university-north-carolina-pay-335000-academic-fraud-whistleblower

3/17/2015 1:57:23 PM

mighty fine leave package.

3/17/2015 2:26:32 PM

The comments of the article are hilarious. UNC fans saying what Syracuse got punished for was far worse than what UNC has done.

3/17/2015 3:07:51 PM