this starts out as the whitest shoutout ever, then goes full crazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=143&v=FHMOYYeJpd8

6/12/2015 5:18:03 PM

So white women don't wear wigs?

6/12/2015 5:25:06 PM

Well, I still don't understand why she is crazy, but Bruce Jenner isn't.

6/12/2015 5:36:16 PM

She's crazy because she doesn't want to be white. Its totally acceptable to want to be a woman, but don't you dare try to be black/white if you aren't. I pointed this fallacy out in the Bruce thread and everyone ignored it.

6/12/2015 5:37:31 PM

No one is white. You made up what you call white and black so you cant really tell her shes white. All of it is bs.

I just used obama as an example of aomeone someone who also has a white mother but everyone excepts as black.

6/12/2015 5:46:52 PM

If it were only that, you might have a point. However, when previously asked what her ancestry was, she claimed African, which is patently false, except for the disingenuous response of "we're all from Africa, hurrdurr". Race is a social construct, yes, but in America, if someone asks "are you black," you know damned well what they mean. And this woman in no way can answer that question with a "yes," and she knows it. The fact that she put pictures of an older black couple on her social profiles and alludes to them being her biological parents further underscores this fact. Likewise, adopting her adopted brother and then claiming he is her biological son is a further deception. This woman is, for whatever reason, trying to deceive people.

The clearest sign of her deception is her inability to give a straight answer to the question "are you black? You have white parents, are you black?" If she truly just identified as being black, for cultural or other reasons, she should have no problem saying that very thing. There should be no problem for her to make a rational, reasoned response to the question that includes the fact that she is ethnically of European ancestry. She gives no such response. Instead, she stammers on about "it's, uhhh, complicated, or something" and then runs and hides. That's the behaviour of a person who has been caught in a lie. Go ask Bruce Jenner if he's a woman, and I guarantee you he doesn't run and hide (and I think he's fucking crazy, but that's beside the point), but instead gives a reasoned, thought-out response.

None of this means she shouldn't be allowed to be the president of an NAACP organization/chapter/whatever on account of not being black. It just means she's being deceptive.

6/12/2015 8:34:28 PM

lolwut

6/12/2015 8:36:24 PM

Race and sex are descriptors. Bruce Jenner has a dick so his sex is Male. This chick has white parents so she is white. She lied about her race.

Gender is more of a societal construct. Trucks vs dolls kind of thing. Our society says the female gender should wear dresses and makeup. Caitlyn Jenner feels most comfortable wearing dresses and makeup so she identifies as a woman.

I have probably offended everyone with this explanation but thats the way I understand it.

6/12/2015 9:58:48 PM

Race is even more of a construct that gender. Race as we identify it in this country has no scoentific standing.

6/12/2015 10:19:40 PM

So if you knowingly have a dick and say "I'm a woman" it is being your true self, but if you knowingly are white and say you're black you're a liar.

I still haven't seen a compelling explanation that makes this not seem like a hypocritical line of thought.

6/12/2015 10:53:17 PM

What about all the people who don't know they have dicks, huh?????

6/12/2015 11:09:03 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb here with this, but I'd say it's the multiple lies she's told that makes her a liar. You know, like the black couple being her parents. Or the racial struggles she had growing up as a black girl. Or the black kid she claims she birthed. Or the recent African ancestry she claimed to have.

6/12/2015 11:22:32 PM

Its hypocrisy. Man wants to be a lady is sane, White lady wants to be a black lady is crazy. There is no logical explanation for how people can consider Bruce sane, and in the same breath call this lady crazy.

6/13/2015 7:28:50 AM

She probably gets bullied and beaten up for the way her brain chemistry works. She's not hurting anyone, why is she bothering you? She's felt like this all of her life and I'm surprised she hasn't committed suicide. She's routinely denied employment and isn't allowed into restaurants. Try being tolerant, jeez.

6/13/2015 7:51:05 AM

I'm at a loss here. I'm liberal as fuck and I think people should be able to do whatever the hell they want.

And then I see stuff like this: https://twitter.com/Quinnae_Moon/status/609628841439424512

You can be claim to be another fucking species and that's cool, but you can't claim to be another race? You can't even suggest the idea without being a bigot? What the dear fuck?

6/13/2015 7:55:30 AM

lets get her one of those fancy DNA tests.

6/13/2015 8:28:14 AM

Maybe she just lied all those times so she could really feel like herself, she knew if she didn't everyone would think she was crazy. She just didn't want to be judged for being who she really is inside.

6/13/2015 8:34:31 AM

Don't you dare say you are a black woman when its clear you came from a white man and woman. But its ok to claim you are a woman when you came out with a dick, won in the mens olympics, fucked countless women, made a bunch of babies and lived 65 years as a man.

6/13/2015 8:51:09 AM

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"She probably gets bullied and beaten up for the way her brain chemistry works. She's not hurting anyone, why is she bothering you? She's felt like this all of her life and I'm surprised she hasn't committed suicide. She's routinely denied employment and isn't allowed into restaurants. Try being tolerant, jeez. "

while I LOLLed, this is definitely a false equivalency

6/13/2015 12:27:24 PM

transsexualism has a biological foundation. "transracial" does not

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism

6/13/2015 12:48:03 PM

Once you go black, you never go back.

6/13/2015 3:20:45 PM

Transracial has no biological foundation because race doesnt either

[Edited on June 13, 2015 at 3:46 PM. Reason : T]

6/13/2015 3:44:46 PM

Isn't gender supposed to be a social construct as well?

6/13/2015 4:09:27 PM

partially, but it has a basis in biology/genetics

6/13/2015 5:17:21 PM

LOL @ the people trying to define what race is. So, race has no biological basis? So...two white people can make a black baby, right? Because its all based on social construct, after all.

6/13/2015 5:30:47 PM

It's a social construct when they need it to be. This woman will never be black, just like a man will never be a woman.

Just be quiet and admit the hypocrisy of awarding Bruce an award for being his "true self" and calling this woman crazy for being her "true self".

6/13/2015 5:32:17 PM

^the difference is bruce is not saying he IS a female, just that he wants to be treated like one for whatever reason (i think?)

this woman is saying she is black, which is false

6/13/2015 6:22:54 PM

Skin tone is not a social construct. Race is.

6/13/2015 6:38:13 PM

Well if race is just a social construct, this woman can be black.

Doesn't mean she can lie about who her parents are and say her adopted brother is her son, though.

6/13/2015 6:43:15 PM

Bruce re-introduced himself as Caitlyn, what part of that says he's saying he isn't a woman...?

Bruce has tits, Bruce dresses like a woman, Bruce identifies himself as Caitlyn.....

6/13/2015 7:04:00 PM

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"LOL @ the people trying to define what race is. So, race has no biological basis? So...two white people can make a black baby, right? Because its all based on social construct, after all."

gender/sex are traits that every human contains, via X & Y chromosomes, along with various hormones and receptors. you can be born completely male, completely female, or some mixture of the two. this is further compounded with your upbringing and environment.

"transracial" has no basis in biology because there is not a "black" chromosome or hormone that can be off balance.

for real just read the wiki link i posted and your questions will be answered.

6/13/2015 8:37:18 PM

So what do you call the physical characteristics that are shared by people of various "races"? They're genetic traits, are they not?

6/13/2015 9:05:43 PM

Theres more variation within races than there is between them. People just errnously think race is a thing because the one trait for skin pigment stands out so much to the himan eye

6/13/2015 9:20:15 PM

So a white woman can't be a black woman, but a white woman can be a white man. GTFO

6/13/2015 9:29:56 PM

There's way more to it than skin color. Blacks are more likely to have sickle cell anemia than any other race. Asians have difficulty metabolizing alcohol. And don't tell me there's more variation in the black race than there is between blacks and Asians, LOL.

I'm really glad this story broke. Watching liberals talk themselves in circles over this versus Bruce Jenner is quite entertaining indeed.

6/13/2015 9:49:52 PM

Just because you can find correlations doesnt mean these races exist.

Sickle cell has malaria resistance properties. Anyone with ancestry to a place with high incidences of malaria is more likely to have sickle cell.

Correlation does not mean causation. That statement is key to all of the things racists struggle with.

The traits you see hair eyes and skin are not even a fraction of a percent of all traits. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/
http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/race-finished

[Edited on June 13, 2015 at 10:18 PM. Reason : J]

6/13/2015 10:15:14 PM

Earl thinks melanin isn't biological

6/13/2015 10:57:12 PM

It's not biological. 2 whites can make a black baby. Just like a man can become a woman after surgery. ....

lol Liberals

6/13/2015 11:01:01 PM

I guess those companies that claim they can locate what region of the world your ancestors were from based off of DNA testing must be scams.

6/13/2015 11:15:38 PM

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"Q: Do you have some black in you? *has sex with black guy* A: Yes"

lol. a chick in college had a variation of this joke she used on me but instead of black it was irish. I totally fumbled #TA

6/13/2015 11:30:31 PM

do you have a tiny bit of white in you?

6/14/2015 12:53:53 AM

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"Sickle cell has malaria resistance properties. Anyone with ancestry to a place with high incidences of malaria is more likely to have sickle cell."

Aren't we essentially talking about selective breeding at this point? Humans in different geographic locations have had different traits essentially bred in/out of them. Call it what you want, a race, a subspecies, whatever, but there are obviously physical differences between certain groups of humans that are taxonomically significant. And trying to claim that you are physically one type of human when you're really a different type is just as ridiculous as claiming you're a woman when physically you're a man.

Of course, one type of delusion is socially acceptable (or rather, "you better accept it or you're a bigot"), the other isn't.

[Edited on June 14, 2015 at 1:01 AM. Reason : ...]

6/14/2015 1:00:01 AM

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"Aren't we essentially talking about selective breeding at this point? Humans in different geographic locations have had different traits essentially bred in/out of them."

thats not what race is especially the way its defined in the us. you're crazy if you think our socially constructed race based on skin color or continent of origin has pinpointed groups of common breeding or if you think of an area as large as subsaharan africa as one geographic breeding location.

Like I mentioned before, you could be an african american with sickle cell but another african american could have descended from a population where malaria was absent and now you have something in common with a Cambodian but not with somone of your own "race". Skin color is based mostly on latitude. Sickle cell on malaria and so on. No matter how counter intuitive it may be to you, CORRELATION DOES NOT MEAN CAUSATION.

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"Call it what you want, a race, a subspecies, "

you can't call it what you want because there are no subspecies of humans. There is a universally accepted, measurableta way of determining this. Stop denying the Science.

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"but there are obviously physical differences between certain groups of humans that are taxonomically significant"

Why do you think they are taxonomically significant? Contrary to the scientific community by the way.

6/14/2015 1:46:01 AM

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"thats not what race is especially the way its defined in the us."

Sure it is. Without those physical differences between races we'd never be able to distinguish between people with distinct physical differences and therefore discriminate against them.

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"Why do you think they are taxonomically significant?"

Because they very clearly delineate human beings into distinct groupings? Or are you one of those people who can't tell the difference between a white person, an Asian, and a black person ("like, I just don't get it, they all look the same!!!!")? This is like saying there's no differences between dog breeds. There are very different physical traits that distinguish them, just like there are very different physical differences between the "not races".

And this is why I find this case so entertaining. It really paints liberals into a corner with regard to this whole "there's no such thing as race!" BS. If there isn't, and it's all in our heads, why can't this woman purport to be black? Admit it, there's "something" different about being black versus being white and whatever it is, this woman ain't it, and you know it. Deep down all liberals know it. But there's no such thing as race so *HEAD EXPLODES*.

6/14/2015 2:03:54 AM

Maybe it's more like when a guy buys abunch of skate clothes but can't skateboars and everyone who skateboards calls him a pouser.

6/14/2015 8:18:29 AM

Maybe it's more like when a guy buys abunch of women clothes and hormones but can't have a baby and everyone calls him a woman.

6/14/2015 8:34:13 AM

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"The black community is minority in charleston and could never pull some shit like that in the south. The black community runs baltimore. At least on a level similar to this"

That's a quote from another thread...
So The E Man apparently thinks there is a whole community of these "black" people that don't exist. What a hypocritical dickbag.

6/14/2015 8:37:05 AM

Be nice, he's a liberal that twists situations to fit his warped world view.

6/14/2015 8:41:15 AM

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" Sure it is. Without those physical differences between races we'd never be able to distinguish between people with distinct physical differences and therefore discriminate against them."

skin pigment is just one little trait in terms of biology and genetics. It just so happens that uneducated humans notice it as a completely different type of person because it covers our entire surface area.

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"Because they very clearly delineate human beings into distinct groupings? Or are you one of those people who can't tell the difference between a white person, an Asian, and a black person"

you could also use hair color, eye color, or a bunch of traits that aren't visible to the naked eye. We only choose skin because it is what the uneducated eye sees as a major difference.

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" This is like saying there's no differences between dog breeds. There are very different physical traits that distinguish them, just like there are very different physical differences between the "not races"."

this is the most racist statement i've read on here in a long time. you obviously haven't read anything scientific to come to this so i'm wondering where you got it from. If you at least read the 2 small articles I posted, you would know this isn't true. I understand that most americans are ignorant about race. Ignorance is a genuine lack of information. When you ignore, refuse, or reject information, that makes you a racist.

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" Admit it, there's "something" different about being black versus being white and whatever it is, this woman ain't it, and you know it."

Its all social. Being black means you were subjected to a different set of rules and treatment in society. Its like a caste system. Just because you call out someone for lying about their caste, doesn't mean caste system is a biological entity.

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" So The E Man apparently thinks there is a whole community of these "black" people that don't exist. What a hypocritical dickbag."

Thats the result of 400 years of racism. If you understood history, you'd understand that blacks were put into this artificial community from day 1 and many different types of other people formed a "white" race. For slavery and later segregation to work on a scale larger than ever before, you had to have a clear definition of black and white.

Its not hypocritical at all to recognize the communities that have been created as a result of social construct.

6/14/2015 12:32:23 PM

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"When you ignore, refuse, or reject information, that makes you a racist."

Uhhh, no. I know you're a troll, but no. Racist has an actual definition, and this aint it. Shut up and stop arguing over basically nothing

6/14/2015 12:56:51 PM