http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/colorado-shooting-probe/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/26/patriot-terrorist-frames-muslims-with-quran-bomb.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2014/05/01/fourth-man-sentenced-fear-militia-double-homicide
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Holocaust_Memorial_Museum_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Oakland_freeway_shootout
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/guilty-plea-in-white-supremacist-plot-to-assassinate-barack-obama/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack

http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/

Lettuce discuss this most important issue here.

11/27/2015 7:08:31 PM

dorner was white

11/27/2015 7:48:08 PM

Chat Chat is not Soap Box #2

11/27/2015 8:04:19 PM

^ tww is small enough now to start merging things back together...

11/27/2015 11:47:06 PM

Come on guys, there is enough first generation immigrant minorities on TWW to really get this thread going!

11/28/2015 1:07:37 AM

Well, the current issue in CO looks like a criminal running from police, and went into an occupied building, that just happened to be PP.
Are all criminals now terrorists? Baltimore, DC, LA, and Chicago are full of damn terrorists.

11/28/2015 6:54:11 AM

The media has been quite good about not calling this terrorism yet but it probably does have something to do with PP from the looks of it (had propane tanks and other quasi-explosives apparently -- hardly the hallmark of a fugitive on the my run) I guess it could be as you described but I haven't seen that angle yet aside from the false bank robbery thing while it was ongoing.

I've also seen recently he was from NC so yay us.

(kudos on the black on black crime reference though - is that in the partisan hack handbook?)

[Edited on November 28, 2015 at 7:14 AM. Reason : X]

11/28/2015 7:12:28 AM

Unborn lives matter, oh wait.

11/28/2015 8:04:26 AM

^^ way to bring race into the conversation wen it wasn't there. #allcrimemattrers

11/28/2015 8:29:08 AM

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"Well, the current issue in CO looks like a criminal running from police, and went into an occupied building, that just happened to be PP."

source? do people on the run trying to hide usually shoot up the place they're hiding on the way in?

11/28/2015 9:05:11 AM

https://www.gop.com

11/28/2015 9:11:18 AM

Yeah I'm sure it's quite common for criminals on the run to be lugging propane tanks with them and randomly stumble into Planned Parenthood facilities

[Edited on November 28, 2015 at 10:14 AM. Reason : Also if he was running from the police the freaking police would have already said that.]

11/28/2015 10:13:57 AM

^ it's funny how these rumors spread so people can have some rationalization for their cognitive dissonance on domestic terrorism vs their view of Muslims.

11/28/2015 1:16:34 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/26/patriot-terrorist-frames-muslims-with-quran-bomb.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/24/surprise-another-christian-terrorist.html

11/28/2015 1:29:30 PM

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"^^ way to bring race into the conversation wen it wasn't there. #allcrimemattrers"

Lol

11/28/2015 2:09:22 PM

http://data.baltimoresun.com/bing-maps/homicides/index.php?show_results=UPDATE+MAP&range=2015&district=all&zipcode=All&cause=all&age=all&gender=all&race=all&article=all

Looks like someone is terrorizing black males in the city of Baltimore. Out of 310 homicides, 270 of the victims were black males. 197 of them were under the age of 35, and the police clearance rate is sitting around 35%. These numbers don't take into account how many black males have been shot and lived this year.

11/28/2015 2:43:40 PM

when the police have no trust, they can't be effective. Areas with police corruption are the areas with the most rampant crime.

11/28/2015 2:54:31 PM

Is anyone denying inner city violence is a problem? Of course it is. This has been well covered.

This whole thread is troll bait but Baltimore and Chicago really have little to do with situations like yesterday or in Paris.

11/28/2015 2:55:36 PM

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"Looks like someone is terrorizing black males in the city of Baltimore"

That's not what terrorism is. Look up the fucking definition. This shit isn't rocket science.

11/28/2015 3:54:43 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/alleged-colorado-gunman-was-adrift-and-alienated/2015/11/28/7cb93b62-95f5-11e5-8aa0-5d0946560a97_story.html?tid=ss_tw-bottom

Best story I could find. Sounds mentally ill with a strong dose of anti-government paranoia.

And for the record mental illness and terrorism are not mutually exclusive.

[Edited on November 28, 2015 at 5:06 PM. Reason : X]

11/28/2015 5:00:44 PM

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"with a strong dose of anti-government paranoia."

Pretty common with these guys.

11/28/2015 5:30:54 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=955a227a0068143a01a28b70da350b60

No more baby parts? That's an odd comment for a fugitive on the run to make. Probably just misdirection he was running..

[Edited on November 28, 2015 at 5:53 PM. Reason : Link]

11/28/2015 5:53:28 PM

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"source?"

11/28/2015 8:14:36 PM

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"That's not what terrorism is. Look up the fucking definition. This shit isn't rocket science."

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"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics: ?Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law; ?Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and ?Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S. "

so witness intimidation and murder committed with the intent of keeping others in line doesn't meet the definition of terrorism? I'm certain that the gang violence in concentrated areas of west Baltimore have an intimidating effect on the residents of that area, many of whom are trapped there due to socioeconomic restraints.

11/28/2015 8:23:47 PM

^ read the shit you just posted. gang violence doesn't satisfy these requirements (that you just posted)

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"(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping"

[Edited on November 28, 2015 at 8:29 PM. Reason : you're trying way to fucking hard here dude. it's not complicated.]

[Edited on November 28, 2015 at 8:31 PM. Reason : i'll let u get back to defending zimmerman and white people who bring assault rifles to BLM protests]

11/28/2015 8:27:48 PM

you apparently don't understand the word "or".

11/28/2015 8:30:16 PM

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"the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."

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"the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal"

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"Title 22, Chapter 38 of the United States Code: The term 'terrorism' means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents"

11/28/2015 8:33:43 PM

So the pp shooter lived in NC for a while (in a trailer).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/alleged-colorado-gunman-was-adrift-and-alienated/2015/11/28/7cb93b62-95f5-11e5-8aa0-5d0946560a97_story.html

11/28/2015 8:43:46 PM

speaking of political aims: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/11/28/investigators-search-for-motive-in-planned-parenthood-shooting-that-left-three-dead/

11/28/2015 8:51:25 PM

Supposedly no GOP candidates have stepped up to condemn this yet. I'm eagerly awaiting fiorinas statements since she made blatantly incorrect comments about planned parenthood during an emotional rant at one of the debates.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/fact-checking-carly-fiorinas-debate-statements-on-183132587.html

[Edited on November 29, 2015 at 3:13 AM. Reason : ]

11/29/2015 3:08:54 AM

She's saying he's deranged and should be prosecuted for murder.

She's also describing him as a protestor, not a terrorist. She's also encouraging all protestors to be peaceful, including the BLM protestors...you know, because the BLM people are just days away from shooting up a doctor's office.

And she's going on the offensive and saying that any suggestion that his actions might be linked to anti-abortion rhetoric (like hers) is a typical left-wing tactic. She also said some vague stuff about how the left is, as usual, trying to "demonize the messenger." But she doesn't make it clear who the messenger is...


I understand her instincts. I wouldn't want to present myself as partly "responsible" for something some crazy guy did, and she isn't responsible at all. But her attempt to bring BLM into the matter and her refusal to totally condemn this guy is pitiful. The subtle intimations that his mission may have been righteous...on that count, she's evil.

11/29/2015 4:13:14 PM

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"Carly Fiorina said that attempts to link Friday’s Planned Parenthood shooting with anti-abortion rhetoric were “typical left-wing tactics.”"

Except he said "no more dead baby parts" when being arrested and witnesses claim he was saying anti-abortion shit during the attack...but yeah, I'm sure he is actions have nothing to do with the anti-abortion movement.

And to call him a fucking protester and throw this shit at BLM? Fuck that bitch.

11/29/2015 5:38:50 PM

huckabee said it was terrorism

11/29/2015 5:41:31 PM

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"Well, the current issue in CO looks like a criminal running from police, and went into an occupied building, that just happened to be PP."

Hey MaximaDrvr we're all waiting for your source on this claim. We'll be deducting points if "dead babies" is in the URL.

[Edited on November 29, 2015 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ^ wow http://time.com/4128664/mike-huckabee-planned-parenthood-shootings-domestic-terrorism/]

11/29/2015 5:42:24 PM

That was the original story. Everything has now been changed/ updated.

11/29/2015 5:45:44 PM

^ from who??? I was reading about this shit as it was happening and I didn't see that narrative anywhere.

11/29/2015 5:47:41 PM

[Edited on November 29, 2015 at 5:54 PM. Reason : nvm]

11/29/2015 5:52:17 PM

^^^ Occam's razor...

To be fair, there was a cheerleaders on both the right and left (which is sick in and of itself) trying to run with narratives as it was unfolding so depending on where you read/watched there were different stories.

11/29/2015 5:54:56 PM

LOL @ Mr. Joshua

11/29/2015 6:20:28 PM

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"That was the original story. Everything has now been changed/ updated."

LOL

11/29/2015 8:16:13 PM

^ oh I just got the real LOL there...he's claiming all the original stories have been updated so there's no trace of that storyline left.

That's not how journalism works d00d.

Just point us towards whatever kooky site reported it...or just admit it, it was some rando on Twitter wasn't it?

[Edited on November 29, 2015 at 9:24 PM. Reason : Lol indeed]

11/29/2015 9:24:21 PM

it explains a lot about MaximaDrvr that he gets is information from somewhere that used that narrative

11/29/2015 10:46:31 PM

not the first time he's told on himself in that way

11/29/2015 10:48:53 PM

it's what somebody might call a..........false narrative?

11/29/2015 11:09:52 PM

http://gawker.com/who-is-willing-to-call-the-colorado-springs-planned-par-1745187586

11/29/2015 11:14:22 PM

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"I understand her instincts. I wouldn't want to present myself as partly "responsible" for something some crazy guy did, and she isn't responsible at all. But her attempt to bring BLM into the matter and her refusal to totally condemn this guy is pitiful. The subtle intimations that his mission may have been righteous...on that count, she's evil. "

Evil is a good word for what she said.

And I agree that she's not criminally or civilly or legally liable for what this guy did, but if I fabricate or "misremember" information given to 23 million people, don't I have some responsibility for what this might cause people to think? If I realize I was wrong, or mis reported, or in any way was not accurate, isn't the right then to do, in a sane world, to put out a statement clarifying this?

11/30/2015 12:32:53 AM

I vote we keep her alive so we can harvest her brain.

11/30/2015 1:29:19 AM

^^Of course, clarifying is the right thing to do. I don't expect her to do the right thing though.

Also, I don't feel like singling her out when they're all liars. She kinda got unlucky that this guy decided to run with her lies in particular.

Now, if we have evidence that she knew she was going to possibly rile up some unhinged people and then did it anyway, then she's definitely responsible...and criminally liable, according to a few Law & Order episodes I have seen.

11/30/2015 1:45:00 AM

I'm not reading all the articles, so what is the tl;dr version of why Fiorina is being pulled into this? Did he cite her or something?

11/30/2015 8:40:28 AM

she keeps saying untrue radical things, she made up a video scene and kept pretending it was real and has kept pushing this radical propaganda about baby parts. the shooter said no more baby parts.

but in reality it has nothing to do with the video or the radical right-wing propaganda, it's because the guy is a transgender leftist-activist or at least he is according to Ted Cruz
https://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/29/cruz-condemns-planned-parenthood-shooting-colorado/

11/30/2015 8:46:34 AM