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HCH
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^^States rights is one of the primary conservative* positions.

*Not all republicans are conservative, unfortunately. We call this group RINO's.

2/27/2017 2:19:06 PM

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"^^ bully pulpit. why are democrats so afraid to use it?"


he's been using it for weeks

2/27/2017 2:20:38 PM

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^^ really?

At this point the majority of the party is no longer conservative. Right wing populist maybe but not conservative (even Paul Ryan has given up that).

2/27/2017 2:30:04 PM

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authoritarians too

2/27/2017 3:17:28 PM

HCH
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Nah, a majority of the party is still on the conservative side of the spectrum.

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"authoritarians too"
You posted this, like 5 posts after the Democrat governor getting called out for his authoritarian positioning. But I am sure you will be the first to criticize his authoritarianism in the future. Hypocrite.

2/27/2017 3:28:36 PM

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oh, i'm sorry i meant authoritarian like wanting an unchecked police state not like telling people they can't discriminate

i understand that's a difficult distinction for an authoritarian to make

2/27/2017 3:32:20 PM

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Show me a conservative who wants an unchecked police state. Nobody in their right mind, either on the left or right, wants that. But you keep thinking that because it will make your hypocrisy easier for you to swallow.

Here is an example of authoritarianism. Gov Cooper opposes this bill because it will mean "years of bitter, highly publicized battles all over North Carolina". In other words, instead of allowing allowing the democratic process to occur, Cooper wants to tell you what to do because he knows better than you do.

2/27/2017 3:43:59 PM

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http://bfy.tw/AL0S

2/27/2017 3:49:24 PM

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^^every blue lives matter supporter ever

2/27/2017 5:29:09 PM

HCH
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How did this thread get to page 2 of TSB?

Anyway, Roy's put himself in a pretty bad spot with the bipartisan budget. He basically has no choice but to sign it (which he should do if he wants to keep his campaign promises). Otherwise he will just show how irrelevant he is.

6/22/2017 3:43:23 PM

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lol, the NCGOP is a bunch of children

6/22/2017 3:51:46 PM

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they are awful, awful people

6/22/2017 4:26:44 PM

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why are there like 10 people standing there when the job just requires 1 to read some shit?

[Edited on June 22, 2017 at 5:13 PM. Reason : these fuckes better not be billing us by the hour!]

6/22/2017 5:13:14 PM

HCH
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Why does Cooper oppose Freedom of Speech. Especially on college campuses?

8/1/2017 12:21:23 PM

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but... he let it become law

8/1/2017 1:00:19 PM

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^^^to show unity I supposed.

8/1/2017 1:29:28 PM

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I think you mean "Freedom of Speech" because the bill in question actually criminalizes "shout-downs."

You have every right to speech on a college campus, certainly even if invited by a campus hate group. But do I not also have a right to show up and vehemently disagree with you, including screaming, chanting, and taunting? This bill doesn't protect freedom of speech, it protects invited speakers' speech while shitting on everyone else's freedoms.

8/1/2017 3:01:52 PM

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But who ultimately is heard? Is it whoever has the best vocal chords and can shout louder?

I'm ok with getting rid of shout-downs when the goal is to ultimately shut the speaker down. What should happen is that there should be an official of some sort present who could give the shout-downers equal time to be heard. This way, both sets of viewpoints can be presented.

8/1/2017 4:20:12 PM

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I'd argue that first the NCGA should show that these situations are even an issue in the UNC system. I'm unconvinced.

One of these legislators read that extended piece in Newsweek, wet their pants (zomg Berkeley black bloc agghhhh) and basically drafted the Newsweek author's language for this bill.

8/1/2017 5:58:36 PM

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Does this apply to brickyard preachers?

8/1/2017 8:58:03 PM

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"Almost two years after Hurricane Matthew, some people still haven’t received state aid promised to them.

WECT’s sister station, WBTV in Charlotte, found the state hasn’t spent $236 million in federal relief money for Matthew victims."

http://www.wect.com/story/38869111/gov-cooper-to-visit-columbus-county-today
Dude should be primaried for this alone.

8/14/2018 1:09:39 PM

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the state legislature moved the administration of block grants from teh Department of Commerce to Division of Emergency Management. Blame the legislature, of course it will take a lot longer for an agency to administer block grants when they aren't the agency with prior experience.

https://www2.ncleg.net/BillLookup/2015E3/h2
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"FACILITATE USE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS FOR
DISASTER RELIEF
SECTION 5.11.(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, all Community
Development Block Grant Disaster Recovery Program funds received by the Department of
Commerce in response to the declarations and executive orders described in Section 3.1 of this
act shall be transferred to the Emergency Management Division of the Department of Public
Safety.
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8/14/2018 1:22:04 PM

HCH
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So you are going to give Cooper a pass because the legislature created a division whose sole purpose is to manage emergencies. Come on man. It's pretty clear that bushCooper hates black people.

8/14/2018 2:17:37 PM

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Do you want to be taken seriously?

8/14/2018 3:04:33 PM

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it's not bad that it was moved to emergency management, but if you move it to emergency management of course it's going to take time to get up to speed. south carolina is only ahead because they already had the process in place, emergency management had to get staff and processes in place.

8/14/2018 3:31:15 PM

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https://www.carolinajournal.com/news-article/n-c-to-ease-unemployment-benefit-requirements-close-dine-in-restaurants-and-bars/

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"Lt. Gov. Dan Forest, the Republican nominee for governor, threw a curveball after Cooper's announcement when he called into question the legality of the executive order. The Council of State voted against the measure to ban in-person dining at private clubs and restaurants before the afternoon news conference, Forest said in a news release.

'His mandate will devastate our economy, shutter many small businesses, and leave many people unemployed, especially in the rural areas of our state where food supply is already critical,' Forest said.

The vote appears to have fallen along party lines. Cooper, Attorney General Josh Stein, and Secretary of State Elaine Marshall all voted to support the move, but the state superintendent, secretary of agriculture, labor commissioner, state treasurer, and the insurance commissioner voted against it, CJ has learned. How Democratic State Auditor Beth Wood voted is unclear.

Cooper doesn't have the authority to enact the restaurant ban without approval from other state leaders, Forest said."

3/19/2020 4:58:14 PM

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Forest is a clown

3/19/2020 5:36:20 PM

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Nothing makes me appreciate Coop more than reading about the Trump Fuck bois neighboring states have as governors.

4/22/2020 8:25:32 AM

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I saw some poll from a week or two ago and I think over 80% of North Carolinians were pleased with how he was handling things related to COVID-19

4/22/2020 10:35:05 AM

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Any governor who has been even marginally competent has gotten huge favorability boosts, R or D.
Pretty crazy to see.

It makes the numbers of the leaders who haven’t (DeBlasio, Trump and DeSantis) look all the more stark.

4/22/2020 10:38:31 AM

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How has this not been bumped in nearly a month? Oh right, Cooper has a D next to his name.

Anyway, i think a lot of people are justifiably upset about his revised wave 2 order. I understand the need to be cautious about reopening and ensuring that we are making data based decisions, but it just seems that his decisions are arbitrary and not necessarily based on any of the data we have.

Additionally, it is an awful shame that we are seeing so many businesses' closing (not just restaurants). These are people who devote everything they have for decades to running a business, and now are just losing everything. Our government has done a terrible job supporting these small businesses.

-Doesn't make sense that restaurants with bars can reopen, but bars that don't serve food need to stay closed.
-Also, why keep churches closed? It is very simple to socially distance in a church.

5/21/2020 2:00:54 PM

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^There is no mechanism to police the social distancing inside churches. Most churches I've attended were sparsely populated, but many are not.

You have the practice of everybody getting up and shaking hands with each other, lining up for communion, and on the whole, it is a body of people who disagree with masks.

5/21/2020 2:03:29 PM

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" Also, why keep churches closed? It is very simple to socially distance in a church."


because mass gatherings in an enclosed space is dangerous. pretty simple.

5/21/2020 2:06:46 PM

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"There is no mechanism to police the social distancing inside churches. Most churches I've attended were sparsely populated, but many are not. "

Why do we need Big Brother to police this? Can we not expect people to make good judgements so as to limit the spread of the virus? Because that is what we are seeing through most of the world that has begun to reopen.

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"You have the practice of everybody getting up and shaking hands with each other, lining up for communion, and on the whole,"
As someone who actually attends this type of church, I can tell you this will not be the practice in the near future. Not sure about communion and how that will be handled, but I can assure you safety of the high risk populations that tend to attend church will be of the utmost importance.

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" it is a body of people who disagree with masks."
source?

5/21/2020 2:08:30 PM

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People will make their own decisions. The only large religious population I interact with on a regular basis are the Hasidic communities in Brooklyn and COVID was/is really nasty there. If places of worship are a main source of infection people will stop going, or maybe they wont.

All I know is that I am not going to stroll around Crown Heights anytime soon.

5/21/2020 2:16:29 PM

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"because mass gatherings in an enclosed space is dangerous. pretty simple"

But its safe, as long as they serve food.

5/21/2020 2:19:17 PM

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I dont follow that

5/21/2020 2:27:20 PM

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"Why do we need Big Brother to police this? Can we not expect people to make good judgements so as to limit the spread of the virus? Because that is what we are seeing through most of the world that has begun to reopen.
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No. Many of these people have been clamoring to go back to church since this thing started. Some of the most religious people I know are the same ones that are religiously against wearing masks. Plain and simple. I view those "I ain't gonna wear no masks" crowd as completely unable to police themselves. It's their damned fault the government had to step in in the first place.

5/21/2020 2:27:43 PM

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"How has this not been bumped in nearly a month? Oh right, Cooper has a D next to his name."


agreed there should be some posts ITT over the last month praising his handling of the pandemic in NC. good point.

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"but it just seems that his decisions are arbitrary and not necessarily based on any of the data we have."


what particular data is he ignoring or otherwise making bad decisions based on?

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"These are people who devote everything they have for decades to running a business, and now are just losing everything."


at least they are just losing their business and not their lives or the lives of their parents and grandparents in most cases.

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"Doesn't make sense that restaurants with bars can reopen, but bars that don't serve food need to stay closed."


how easy is it to socially distance at a bar? think drunk people will make the right decisions when it comes to their health and the health of everything they come in contact with and everyone they come into contact with?

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"There is no mechanism to police the social distancing inside churches. Most churches I've attended were sparsely populated, but many are not.

You have the practice of everybody getting up and shaking hands with each other, lining up for communion, and on the whole, it is a body of people who disagree with masks."


yup.

I've attended virtual services for a while and while not optimal it's getting the job done.

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"Can we not expect people to make good judgements so as to limit the spread of the virus?"


we can not. do you wear a face covering in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies)

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"Because that is what we are seeing through most of the world that has begun to reopen."


USA aint the rest of the world. And I wouldn't mind seeing your data.

5/21/2020 2:37:09 PM

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" How has this not been bumped in nearly a month? Oh right, Cooper has a D next to his name. "


almost all of the credibility threads are bumped/posted in when whoever the subject of the thread has their credibility questioned

Cooper has been pretty goddamn credible throughout this, unlike some of his contemporaries with an R next to their name

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 2:39 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2020 2:38:04 PM

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"Why do we need Big Brother to police this? Can we not expect people to make good judgements so as to limit the spread of the virus? "


Unfortunately, no. Have you been to a grocery store or Lowe's recently?

5/21/2020 3:05:33 PM

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"Cooper has been pretty goddamn credible throughout this, unlike some of his contemporaries with an R next to their name"

Granted, he wasn't caught unloading a bunch of stock prior to the lockdown (that we know of!!!). I wouldn't say he has been totally credible. there have been plenty of things that has contemporaries with an R next to their names would have been called out for.

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM. Reason : ^No. How many people have caught Corona from going to the grocery store? Minimal, I bet.]

5/21/2020 3:31:48 PM

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"there have been plenty of things that has contemporaries with an R next to their names would have been called out for."


like what

5/21/2020 3:58:04 PM

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" How many people have caught Corona from going to the grocery store? Minimal, I bet"


why would you bet?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kroger-workers-scared-work-customers-face-masks/

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" Of the 3 million grocery workers nationwide, at least 68 have died and more than 10,000 have been exposed or tested positive for the virus, according to the United Food and Commercial Workers. "

5/21/2020 4:10:29 PM

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Sorry synapse, didn't see your post above. Not ignoring you.

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"what particular data is he ignoring or otherwise making bad decisions based on? "
States and countries that have already begun opening with relatively positive success.

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"at least they are just losing their business and not their lives or the lives of their parents and grandparents in most cases."
Talk to any of these small business owners and they will tell you that they would risk contracting Corona in order to keep their business open. Nobody is forcing anyone to frequent these establishments.

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"how easy is it to socially distance at a bar? think drunk people will make the right decisions when it comes to their health and the health of everything they come in contact with and everyone they come into contact with?"
Just as easy to socially distance at a TGIFridays bar at 1:00AM. Yet Cooper is allowing them to open. Not consistent.

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"I've attended virtual services for a while and while not optimal it's getting the job done."

Disagree. There is no replacement for attending church service in person.

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"we can not. do you wear a face covering in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies"
Other states and countries are allowing people to make decisions that they are most comfortable with, and with great results. Hopefully it continues this way. I do wear a face mask and am sure to wash/sanitize my hands.

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"And I wouldn't mind seeing your data."
There is tons of information out there about how each state and country is doing.

5/21/2020 4:14:01 PM

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^^ I found their problem
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"The retailer doesn't require shoppers at all stores to cover their faces, exposing front-line workers to infection. "
Problem solved.

5/21/2020 4:16:00 PM

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I guess that means you’d like to rescind your bet?

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" Talk to any of these small business owners and they will tell you that they would risk contracting Corona in order to keep their business open"


this is a bullshit blanket statement

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" Doesn't make sense that restaurants with bars can reopen, but bars that don't serve food need to stay closed."


bars that don’t serve food don’t have nearly as much dedicated space for tables and chairs as restaurants do. it’s a hell of a lot easier to enforce 50% capacity/proper social distancing with tables than it is in spaces with more standing room, like bars

5/21/2020 4:26:48 PM

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Just saw this in a completely unrelated article. How is this ok, but mass gatherings at a church is not? Cooper's inconsistency is ridiculous.

[quote]According to a Frequently Asked Questions document attached to the Governor’s release,
“Professional entertainers, athletes, coaches, performers, support staff, and broadcast staff will not count toward the mass gathering limit. Employees and other workers at facilities where entertainment events occur also will not count toward the mass gathering limit,” the release continued.

5/21/2020 4:35:09 PM

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Just a guess, but I personally would rather go to an "event" with professional athletes (not as a spectator), because they have their own top notch medical staff. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they could offer rapid testing on site, or ensure that everyone showing up in the same place has already been cleared.

Aside from that, most professional athletes have been sitting their asses at home (figuratively, not literally) not having to interact with the general, working-class public who is far more vulnerable.

And finally, I'm also pretty sure that the media, coaches, performers, and different support staff can be distanced throughout the facility in different rooms since they do that anyway.

Poor churches, though!

5/21/2020 4:43:41 PM

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set em up

5/21/2020 5:06:48 PM

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