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ncsuallday
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It's the off season and I'm bored so let's try this. If you had to use Sid and Gott's players (2007-2017)...

What's your traditional "all-decade" team in the sense of the best players from those 10 years?

And what team would you actually put on the court that would play well together? (accounting for all of the intangibles too)

3/29/2017 3:47:05 PM

thegoodlife3
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Cat
Lorenzo Brown
TJ
Howell
Hickson

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 4:06 PM. Reason : forgot about JJ]

3/29/2017 4:01:48 PM

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For sure on this All-Decade team - TJ Warren, Dennis Smith. The other three are debatable. Shit I don't know, it hasn't been a very good decade.

I quickly went through the rosters of the last 10 years and made a list of notable players

Gavin Grant
Brandon Costner
Dennis Horner
Tracy Smith
JJ Hickson
Scott Wood
Richard Howell
CJ Leslie
Lorenzo Brown
TJ Warren
Trevor Lacey
Cat Barber
Abdul-Malik Abu
Dennis Smith

That's pretty much the cream of the crop. Engin Atsur misses the cutoff by a season.

For a team that could actually play together? DSJ, Warren, Lacey, Wood, Howell. Brown, Leslie, Costner, T. Smith and TYLER GODDAMN LEWIS off the bench.

3/29/2017 4:04:03 PM

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Lo
Lacey
Wood
Warren
Howell

Bench
DSJ
Frosh year Costner (if I can, otherwise leslie)
Hickson

Keep all the ball hogs on the bench

Sorry Cat and Tracy

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 4:05 PM. Reason : Hh]

3/29/2017 4:04:27 PM

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First Team

PG - Dennis Smith
SG - Trevor Lacey
SF - TJ Warren
PF - CJ Leslie
C - Richard Howell

Second Team

PG - Lorenzo Brown
SG - Cat Barber
SF - Scott Wood
PF - Tracy Smith
C - JJ Hickson

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 4:07 PM. Reason : Honorable Mention CJ Williams]

3/29/2017 4:05:24 PM

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Quote :
"McCauley"


lawl

3/29/2017 4:05:48 PM

thegoodlife3
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no reason to laugh/sleep on him

just filling out a starting 5 and forgotten about Hickson



[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 4:10 PM. Reason : and that roster was my answer to the last question in the OP]

3/29/2017 4:07:45 PM

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"For sure on this All-Decade team - TJ Warren, Dennis Smith"


If you're doing it based on college, Cat has to be there over DSJ and Lacey is there too. Cat and Lacey were on the short list for POY.

If by NBA, then you need Hickson

3/29/2017 4:09:24 PM

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Also, I want Gavin Grant as the hype man for my team.

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"If you're doing it based on college, Cat has to be there over DSJ and Lacey is there too. "


No.

3/29/2017 4:09:52 PM

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DSJ
TJ
JJ
ZoBo
Rip

3/29/2017 4:11:31 PM

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the All Potential Team would be

DSJ
CJ Leslie
Warren
Abu
JJ Hickson

with Fells as the 6th man

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2017 4:15:43 PM

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I was wrong about Lacey being first team, not sure where I got that but Cats last season was better than DSJ this season.


^you put TJ on the POTENTIAL team???



[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 4:18 PM. Reason : Y]

3/29/2017 4:16:10 PM

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he's currently showing his potential in the NBA

potential meaning at their best...

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2017 4:20:18 PM

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I don't care who's on the list as long as this thread has this image in it:

3/29/2017 4:22:36 PM

rwoody
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TJ won POY and had multiple 40 pt games, not sure you can ask a whole lot more from a college player

3/29/2017 4:23:46 PM

thegoodlife3
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potential doesn't equal wasted potential

3/29/2017 4:26:16 PM

rwoody
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Ok I'll drop it

3/29/2017 4:27:22 PM

justinh524
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Barber's *junior* year wasn't better than DSJ's freshman year.

Barber was a volume scorer on a bad team. He got accolades for leading the ACC in scoring because he was the only guy who shot the ball.

3/29/2017 4:27:59 PM

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Can you even make a lineup with 5 NBA players from this "era"? Even thinking about this is mostly painful.

3/29/2017 4:28:17 PM

justinh524
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yeah, Horner, Hickson, Warren, Brown, Smith. BOOM.

3/29/2017 4:29:38 PM

ncsuallday
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Zo
Lacey
TJ
Howell
Hickson

bench: DSJr/Cat (tough call), Wood, Smith, CJL, Washington

I feel like you could make some good combinations with that.

No love for Fells or Turner ITT?

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2017 4:43:52 PM

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"First Team

PG - Dennis Smith
SG - Trevor Lacey
SF - TJ Warren
PF - CJ Leslie
C - Richard Howell

Second Team

PG - Lorenzo Brown
SG - Cat Barber
SF - Scott Wood
PF - Tracy Smith
C - JJ Hickson"


This is basically my list as well. Might switch Zo for Lacey on the first team.


^ One of these things is not like the others... one of these things does not belong.


[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 4:45 PM. Reason : d]

3/29/2017 4:44:00 PM

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I think it should be well understood that Wood, TJ and Zo have to start on this team. Their accomplishments both as a team and individually surpass everybody else from this decade.

3/29/2017 4:49:03 PM

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I think it's well understood that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about

3/29/2017 4:55:21 PM

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Sorry. Wood was a defensive liability on a team that was below average defensively. Unbelievable shooter, but that's about it.

There is a reason that JJ Redick and Kyle Korver have 1 all-star team (in a weak east) in the 20+ years of combined careers.

3/29/2017 4:55:25 PM

ncsuallday
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yeah Wood was great at free throws and could definitely knock down pretty much any open look on 3s but we had to do a lot to get him those looks and he was definitely lacking in defense. Excellent role guy to have on your bench but I think there are better starters at SG or even moving PGs to play that role at SG better as a whole

3/29/2017 5:02:51 PM

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I should have said my team was semi trying to form a team, not a superlative team. Need a Scott Wood on that team.

3/29/2017 5:03:07 PM

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^^^ Wood isn't close to being as good as either Redick or Korver

no real use in bringing them up as comps

3/29/2017 5:32:19 PM

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5 best, no consideration for position

TJW, Cat, DSJ, Lacey, Howell...that would probably be my top 5. but if you're taking into account positions (which i think was what ncsuallday had in mind) mine would probably be

PG - DSJ
SG - Lacey
SF - Wood
PF - TJW
C - Howell

If I was trying to field the best team, I might swap Lacey for Zo. that might give this team some semblance of defense and allow DSJ to play off the ball some. but if we're basing this solely off each player's best season, then I put Lacey over Zo. or you could go big and put TJW at SF, CJL at PF and drop Wood out. that's a tough call.

2nd team

PG - Cat
SG - Zo
SF - Turner or CJ Williams depending on your preference for shooting vs defense
PF - CJL
C - JJ Hickson

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 5:37 PM. Reason : man, hard to leave Tracy Smith off, but i think i gotta go Hickson over him. ]

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 5:39 PM. Reason : g]

3/29/2017 5:35:52 PM

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Quote :
"There is a reason that JJ Redick and Kyle Korver have 1 all-star team (in a weak east) in the 20+ years of combined careers."


that reason being that there are star players playing their position. that doesn't mean they aren't good NBA players.

3/29/2017 5:37:11 PM

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Wood started on the only team team we've had that has been even marginally defensively. He wasn't good, no, but he did try and when he got beat he'd make a fair number of recovery blocks. He's probably 6th man by talent though he'd probably start since you only need so many scorers

3/29/2017 5:44:07 PM

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Cat Barber is the third best point guard we've had the last 10 years and if you're making a hypothetical team, he wouldn't be on it because TJ Warren didn't want to play with him.

3/29/2017 5:54:28 PM

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what is our "all-decade name team"? got some strong options

Cat Barber, Chris Brickhouse, Staats Battle, Beejay Anya, Abdul Malik Abu, Torin Dorn, Omer Yurtseven, Maverick Rowan, Chase Cannon, Farnold Degand. Engin Atsur might make the cut off, or maybe he missed it by a year.

3/29/2017 6:11:25 PM

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^^wat?

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 6:39 PM. Reason : Carrots]

3/29/2017 6:39:29 PM

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1. DSJ
2. Lorenzo Brown
3. Cat Barber

And it's common knowledge that TJ Warren wanted to play with Tyler Lewis instead of Cat Barber. It's the only reason Barber didn't play as much as a freshman and Lewis stuck around for his sophomore year.

If we're making a team "that would play well together" you're not going to put the third best PG on it when the best player on said team doesn't want to play with him.

3/29/2017 6:50:28 PM

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Javi&
Brandon&
Trevor&
Farnold&
Dennis
Old Spice Champs

3/29/2017 7:10:05 PM

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Big Head Ced would be on the all potential team (obviously too old)...TJ warren was ACC Player of the Fucking year. He maxed out his NC State college potential.

3/29/2017 7:49:30 PM

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G - DSJ
SG - Gavin Grant
SF - CJL
PF - Costner
C - McCauley

The All-Cancer Team

3/29/2017 9:08:42 PM

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Is Jimmy V the coach?

YEAH I SAID IT

3/29/2017 9:23:46 PM

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Quote :
"TJ warren was ACC Player of the Fucking year. He maxed out his NC State college potential."



Quote :
"potential doesn't equal wasted potential"

3/29/2017 9:39:27 PM

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13 scholarship players:

DSJ
Brown
Cat
Lacey
Wood
Turner
Warren
Leslie
Costner
Abu
Howell
Hickson
Tracy

Walk-ons:
Staats
Jevoni
Wallace

All transfer team:
Lewis
Purvis
Caleb
Painter
Washington

3/29/2017 10:23:10 PM

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Quote :
"potential doesn't equal wasted potential"


did you take a Physics class at State?

3/29/2017 10:54:13 PM

thegoodlife3
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did you take an English class?

3/30/2017 1:18:24 AM

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I'm just trying to narrow down why multiple people had a misunderstanding with you putting TJ on the potential team. Keep fighting the good fight, though.

3/30/2017 1:24:09 AM

thegoodlife3
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because they don't get that potential isn't the same as wasted potential?

not that difficult

3/30/2017 1:38:44 AM

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DSJ, Zo, TJW, leslie, hickson

Couldn't guard anyone, but can score

3/30/2017 3:34:23 AM

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Michael Jordan wasted his potential at UNC....even though he won a National Championship and was National Player of the Year.

Got it!

3/30/2017 8:42:58 AM

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Based on their final years here(so Junior Cat Barber vs. Freshman DSJ):

First Team:
PG: Cat Barber
SG: Trevor Lacey
SF: TJ Warren
PF: CJ Leslie
C: Richard Howell

Second Team:
PG: DSJ
SG: Zo Brown
SF: Scott Wood
PF: JJ Hickson
C: Tracy Smith

HM: SO season Brandon Costner

I'm not sure how you could put DSJ over Cat Barber just based on their time at NC State. If we're talking about all "potential" team it would look like:

PG: DSJ
SO: Zo Brown
SF: TJ Warren
PF: Hickson
C: Yurtseven

3/30/2017 8:54:09 AM

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Quote :
"that reason being that there are star players playing their position. that doesn't mean they aren't good NBA players."


Obviously. And obviously Wood isn't on the same level of Korver or Redick. I brought them up because they are in a similar mold (pure shooters) and while they were good players and both of them contribute on good teams, they didn't regularly make all-star teams because they weren't more rounded players. I was especially responding to the idiotic comment that Wood is a shoe-in for first team because of his team success.

We are essentially talking about an all-star team of State players for the last decade. I am simply making the argument that while Wood is a good player and he played on some of the better state teams of the last decade (not saying a whole lot), he doesn't belong on the all-star teams because we have more complete players ahead of me.

[Edited on March 30, 2017 at 9:20 AM. Reason : s]

3/30/2017 9:20:14 AM

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In regards to Wood if the question was to build the best team to go win a game with players from the last 10 years you might include him, his ability to stretch the court and hit open 3s would be useful.

However if you are just talking about the best overall player at each position and a pure "all-star" team, I think we have had better SF than him that could shoot similarly but do much more on the court.

3/30/2017 10:00:26 AM

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