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thegoodlife3
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" The doc did a great job shitting on your point, showing Jordan going to Atlantic City to gamble during the PLAYOFFS?!"


the scene I referenced was from 1998, 5 years after the Atlantic City deal

he was obviously much more guarded after 1993

[Edited on May 13, 2020 at 10:30 AM. Reason : .]

5/13/2020 10:25:03 AM

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1. The discussion was clearly about the spotlight during his career; nobody, including you, specified just 1998
2. That isn't at all obvious, a couple shots of being in the hotel room doesn't prove he wasn't out gambling other times

And I found this in about 2 min of searching
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"JUST IN: A $15,000 signed wire from Michael Jordan to the Trump Casino Indiana during the 1997-98 “Last Dance” season has just hit the auction block https://t.co/i0HEXjucFd"

5/13/2020 10:56:31 AM

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I shouldn’t have said he only left his suite to go to the arena or golfing. that was dumb.

I just disagree that the spotlight on him would have been brighter during this era than it was during his era.

my point stands about him being more careful/guarded after Atlantic City in 1993, though

5/13/2020 11:14:32 AM

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Ok heard that your guess of a point stands

And official investigative journalists might not be around anymore and not have as much access, but theyve been replaced by 1000s of amateur journalists. Not great for putting together long tell alls, but excellent for candidly capturing celebrities when they don't want to be seen/photographed

5/13/2020 1:45:05 PM

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which is of course true, but there’s a reason why we don’t see tons of videos/pictures of athletes (especially the most famous/greatest) doing dumb shit (not that going to casinos is dumb)

of course some people aren’t as smart about it and those people get caught, but the majority of athletes are pretty damn good at staying relatively hidden

5/13/2020 1:54:45 PM

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Or, the majority of athletes don't do stupid shit!

5/13/2020 2:04:08 PM

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^^, ^, I'm sure it's both, but the argument stands that some athletes know how much easier it is to be caught, and modify thsir behavior, and some are indeed smart about that behavior but have to work much harder and be smarter than in the 90s. Also most athletes don't project the image Jordan was trying to project so they can probably do more things without worry of career damage. James Harden is widely known to go to strip clubs all the time, but he doesn't care that much.

5/13/2020 2:08:14 PM

thegoodlife3
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and he still makes a ton of money from endorsements

5/13/2020 2:19:20 PM

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Right but he doesn't make MJ (or LeBron) money and doesn't attempt two project a squeaky clean image.

What's the worst story we've ever heard about LeBron? It's like around last Christmas for his birthday he went to a strip club.....with his wife.

5/13/2020 2:49:26 PM

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I think part of that is that LeBron isn't a gambling addict and is generally a "good" person.

5/13/2020 2:53:31 PM

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I hear he pees his pants and poops in under construction houses

5/13/2020 4:39:10 PM

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This is pretty good
https://slate.com/culture/2020/05/the-last-dance-michael-jordan-bulls-wizards

"Jordan is I thought he was"

5/17/2020 9:14:12 PM

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https://slate.com/culture/2020/05/the-last-dance-michael-jordan-bulls-wizards.html

5/17/2020 10:16:45 PM

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Oh whoops I deleted too much


Fuck a Twitter impression!!

5/17/2020 10:19:30 PM

TreeTwista10
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Jordan talking shit to Bird at the end of episode 9 was good

5/17/2020 10:32:00 PM

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the best

5/17/2020 11:10:24 PM

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This documentary was hyped up so much for the last several months and it exceeded my expectations. I remember being a 12 year old kid, living in Wilmington and watching the Jordan hanging hand shot to beat the Jazz, realizing that was the end of an era. Re-living all those iconic games and moments from a different lens was so gratifying.

5/17/2020 11:10:56 PM

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Wish Malone and Longley would have contributed to The Last Dance. But definitely loved it

5/18/2020 12:27:22 AM

thegoodlife3
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Longley? what?

there is about zero that Luc Longley would’ve added to that doc

5/18/2020 1:17:02 AM

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Jordan's layup vs the Lakers in the 91 Finals where he switches the ball needlessly from his right hand to his left hand before scoring is still so overrated

5/18/2020 2:21:03 AM

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Just realized I said I was 12 in 1998. I was 16. I drink too much

5/18/2020 10:32:57 PM

StTexan
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^^^i’d like to hear why he has beef with MJ. Unless that facebook link was fake news

5/18/2020 11:27:18 PM

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Pippen was always trying to prove his worth by withholding himself from the game.

5/19/2020 3:11:30 AM

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Jordan was the most competitive basketball player ever, except for the first time he retired, and the second time he retired, and the third time he retired

5/19/2020 3:49:46 AM

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Scott Burrell!

5/19/2020 8:25:28 AM

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29195428/horace-grant-says-michael-jordan-lied-last-dance-calls-snitch

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"I would say [it was] entertaining, but we know, who was there as teammates, that about 90 percent of it -- I don't know if I can say it on air, but B.S. in terms of the realness of it," Grant said. "It wasn't real -- because a lot of things [Jordan] said to some of his teammates, that his teammates went back at him. But all of that was kind of edited out of the documentary, if you want to call it a documentary."


Horace Grant out here just keeping it real

5/19/2020 5:41:55 PM

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https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2020/05/18/jerry-reinsdorf-was-not-pleased-with-mjs-final-comments-in-the-last-dance/

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"To make a long story short, Reinsdorf believed then – and still believes now – that running it back with Phil Jackson, Michael Jordan, Dennis Rodman, and Scottie Pippen would have been been “suicidal.” And that, indeed, re-signing the key players simply wasn’t within the realm of possibilities."


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"“I was not pleased. How’s that? He knew better. Michael and I had some private conversations at that time that I won’t go into detail on ever. But there’s no question in my mind that Michael’s feeling at the time was we could not put together a championship team the next year.”"

5/21/2020 2:43:17 PM

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^^ He's so underrated. One of my favorite PFs.

5/21/2020 3:57:48 PM

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https://www.facebook.com/147262525292598/posts/3679952902023525/?vh=e&d=n

Karl Malone say

5/21/2020 9:47:59 PM

TreeTwista10
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The various recent stuff from Pippen, Grant, Parrish, Malone, Hodges etc is almost as interesting as the show itself

5/21/2020 10:28:22 PM

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The whole series is trying to convince fans he's the GOAT, but gets the opposite result lol.

5/26/2020 10:01:06 AM

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On ABC already. Watched the last two episodes yesterday afternoon at the regular time of the Finals.

6/22/2020 11:38:29 AM

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