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Cabbage
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Everybody stand back--This just might be horosho's wet dream:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tucker-carlson-in-2024-republicans-see-a-frontrunner/ar-BB16gXUX?ocid=msedgntp

7/5/2020 6:59:58 AM

bbehe
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I think the Republicans will be extremely divided in 2024, I could see him pulling a Trump and winning without getting a majority of votes in the early contests

7/5/2020 7:54:31 AM

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but can he beat Chris Cuomo in the general?

[Edited on July 5, 2020 at 12:21 PM. Reason : Cuomo/Lemon 2024]

7/5/2020 12:21:18 PM

horosho
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I rarely agree with Tucker and simply appreciate his straightfowardness. Tucker's policies would be consistent and make more sense than anyone else's so far but that doesn't mean I'd like him. My wet dream is literally AOC.

7/5/2020 2:28:56 PM

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Looks like he is on the Presidential track

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"SCOOP: I can confirm that Fox News knew details of sexual harassment allegations against Tucker Carlson four days before he announced his "pre-planned vacation" last week. New in @Salon https://t.co/tYaywjWvXS"

7/20/2020 9:41:58 PM

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" Tucker's policies would be consistent and make more sense than anyone else's so far but that doesn't mean I'd like him."


How would they be consistent and make sense?

7/20/2020 10:51:08 PM

horosho
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Have you watched his show? He's consistently conservative and populist even when it means calling out Trump or republican congress specifically. There are times when he stands in contrast with the rest of the hosts on Fox. He wouldn't feed the military industrial complex or corporate revolving door. You can't just put the whole right into one box.

[Edited on July 21, 2020 at 12:32 AM. Reason : and although i'm not a free market guy. free market is a helluva lot better than what we have now]

[Edited on July 21, 2020 at 12:33 AM. Reason : where one or 2 companies run every industry and the government regulators ]

7/21/2020 12:07:17 AM

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lol wut

he's another lame-ass bootlicking racist clone

the only consistency he has is acting like he's some kind of goddamned victim

7/21/2020 10:41:42 AM

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He's a piece of human shit.

7/21/2020 11:16:23 AM

horosho
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Just curious. Do you watch his show or just clips of his show curated by someone else? Be honest.

[Edited on July 21, 2020 at 11:30 AM. Reason : Can you see any contrast between him and hannity? Their shows are back to back]

7/21/2020 11:26:15 AM

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Hannity hires less racist staff.

7/21/2020 12:16:41 PM

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That's some faint praise.

7/21/2020 12:48:24 PM

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Carlson and Hannity both run their shows and present their arguments without even a hint of logical, rational or scientific reasoning. They make zero attempts to gather all facts and to the extent they gather any facts at all they dismiss any that conflict with the narrative they are trying to convey.

If at anytime there's an attempt by either one of them to "be balanced" they do it with such a lack of intellectual rigor that you'd almost think they were running parody shows except for the fact that nothing they say is funny and they constantly look furious when "reporting."

And regarding their narratives I'm not even necessarily suggesting they actually believe their narratives - just that they work tirelessly to adhere to whatever Fox News has established will bring their viewers in.

CNN does this too but to a significantly less degree. In fact CNN is more guilty of just not reporting something rather than lacing a report with flat out lies.

They are intellectually dishonest human beings and have strong influence over voters. They further the divide between Republicans and Democrats significantly and intentionally. They make America a worse place because of this. For these reasons, they are both human pieces of shit.

[Edited on July 21, 2020 at 1:04 PM. Reason : a]

7/21/2020 12:59:02 PM

daaave
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Also populist conservatism is an oxymoron. Any leftist who doesn't understand that is worthless.

7/21/2020 2:25:28 PM

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"Just curious. Do you watch his show or just clips of his show curated by someone else? Be honest."


As a matter of fact I do. I have noticed that Tucker's go to rhetorical flourish is to repeat his opponent's position....in a funny voice. You're a fucking moron if that convinces you he's using logical arguments.

7/21/2020 3:00:20 PM

horosho
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^You're being vague. I'll just have to post actual examples and we can break them down.
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"Also populist conservatism is an oxymoron. Any leftist who doesn't understand that is worthless."

This is wild. What do you mean? What definitions are you using?
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"a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups."


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the holding of political views that favor free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas."


Where is the oxymoron?

There are "ordinary" conservatives and "elite" conservatives. You are saying that free enterprise, private ownership and socially conservative ideas CANNOT appeal to "ordinary" people when those conservative principles are literally what the country is known for. Have you even been to a flyover state? I think you have to get out of cities and coasts to know it. anti-Abortion is an example of conservative populism. Climate change denial is another one. Basically lower and middle class christians who think their way of life is being threatened. These people fear change and other and they don't have a strong affinity for Science.

IMO, a leftist should be able to identify lack of good education, capitalism-induced scarcity mindset, and media/propaganda as the causes for ordinary harboring passionate support for conservative ideals, but denying the existence of opposition does not somehow increase your worth.


[Edited on July 21, 2020 at 3:58 PM. Reason : k]

7/21/2020 3:49:15 PM

bbehe
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lol you guys really engaging Earl on whether or not Tucker Fucking Carlson isn't a massive piece of shit?

7/21/2020 3:56:48 PM

daaave
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Fascist elites like Tucker Carlson don't actually give a shit about social conservatism. It's just a means of riling up their base and drumming up votes through Supreme Court cases. And economic conservatism is populist only insofar as they've convinced a large segment of America that individualism and "free enterprise" is good for them and not a handout to the super wealthy. I take the position that populism is only legitimate if its honestly meant to improve peoples' lives. Telling them what to believe through right-wing media and then acting on their regurgitated, self-harming bullshit doesn't qualify as populism.

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"He wouldn't feed the military industrial complex or corporate revolving door"


This is also incredibly dumb. Capitalism in the 21st century is synonymous with imperialism. Capital is compelled to spread, and we're already global. There's no going back. You're a dupe.

In conclusion, fuck off fascist sympathizer.

7/21/2020 4:09:03 PM

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" And economic conservatism is populist only insofar as they've convinced a large segment of America that individualism and "free enterprise" is good for them and not a handout to the super wealthy. I take the position that populism is only legitimate if its honestly meant to improve peoples' lives. Telling them what to believe through right-wing media and then acting on their regurgitated, self-harming bullshit doesn't qualify as populism."

Yeah that is basically what I explained except you changed the definition of populism. Thats fine. We are saying the same thing two different ways here. re "propaganda"

Being objective isn't "sympathizing". Understanding someone's views does not mean you agree with them. I'm ready because I already went through this when I was explaining terrorism as blowback. Is everyone on the right a piece of shit?

^,^^
Name the furthest right figure who is not a "piece of shit".

[Edited on July 21, 2020 at 4:56 PM. Reason : lets play a game]

7/21/2020 4:51:37 PM

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"You're being vague."


How so? If you truly watch and pay attention to Tucker then you'll see exactly what I am talking about. Not vague at all.

7/21/2020 6:15:00 PM

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^^ sowell

7/21/2020 7:47:18 PM

horosho
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Absolutely killed it tonight. The argument about the class system vs democrat identity politics was overwhelmingly convincing. POC, women, and LGBTQ with elite backgrounds filling elite positions in the name of "diversity" is not really accomplishing anything. People from regular schools who aren't insiders, elite, or happen to be fat and ugly don't stand a chance in corporate America.

He says we need affirmative action based on class.

Obviously, I'll go farther and say that its bad when those identity tokens are corporate neoliberals who will do anything but bring radical change that could help improve the lives of the vast majority of people with those "underrepresented identities".

[Edited on December 2, 2020 at 3:17 AM. Reason : k]

12/2/2020 3:16:50 AM

Cabbage
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"This just might be horosho's wet dream"

12/2/2020 3:46:13 AM

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12/2/2020 9:27:11 AM

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" People (who) happen to be fat and ugly don't stand a chance in corporate America."


You don’t stand a chance in corporate America.

12/2/2020 9:54:46 AM

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"Absolutely killed it tonight. The argument about the class system vs democrat identity politics was overwhelmingly convincing. POC, women, and LGBTQ with elite backgrounds filling elite positions in the name of "diversity" is not really accomplishing anything. People from regular schools who aren't insiders, elite, or happen to be fat and ugly don't stand a chance in corporate America.

He says we need affirmative action based on class. "


Wasn't there another time in history where reactionaries co-opted Marxist terminology to suit their own goals? Ah right it was Hitler

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"‘Socialism’, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. "


Here's Michael Parenti (a Marxist) on the same concept, 20 years ago (from Blackshirts and Reds)

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"Seizing upon anything but class, U.S. leftists today have developed an array of identity groups centering around ethnic, gender, cultural, and life-style issues. These groups treat their respective grievances as something apart from class struggle, and have almost nothing to say about the increasingly harsh politico-economic class injustices perpe­trated against us all. Identity groups tend to emphasize their distinc­tiveness and their separateness from each other, thus fractionalizing the protest movement. To be sure, they have important contributions to make around issues that are particularly salient to them, issues often overlooked by others. But they also should not downplay their common interests, nor overlook the common class enemy they face. The forces that impose class injustice and economic exploitation are the same ones that propagate racism, sexism, militarism, ecological devastation, homophobia, xenophobia, and the like.

People may not develop a class consciousness but they still are affected by the power, privileges, and handicaps related to the distri­bution of wealth and want. These realities are not canceled out by race, gender, or culture. The latter factors operate within an overall class society. The exigencies of class power and exploitation shape the social reality we all live in. Racism and sexism help to create superexploited categories of workers (minorities and women) and reinforce the notions of inequality that are so functional for a capi­talist system.

To embrace a class analysis is not to deny the significance of iden­tity issues but to see how these are linked both to each other and to the overall structure of politico-economic power. An awareness of class relations deepens our understanding of culture, race, gender, and other such things."


Also I would absolutely love to hear what "affirmative action based on class" means to Tucker Carlson.

[Edited on December 2, 2020 at 10:35 AM. Reason : .]

12/2/2020 10:34:45 AM

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The Hitler comparisons get thrown around so willy nilly today that they have become diluted. When you compare Trump, Tucker or anyone who is nationalist to Hitler, what you're really doing is rehabilitating Hitler for the sake of a "win" right now. You can't just take anything Hitler ever said and did and put it into the Hitler box then call anyone who does those things, the next Hitler. Of course there are parallels, he copied a lot of things from American culture after all, but the attempt at mass and rapid extermination of groups of people is what distinguishes Hitler historically.

It's like you studied reports on a plane crash and learned that there was turbulence before the crash so now when you see turbulence you conclude this must mean the plane is going to crash. "You know where else there was turbulence? the plane that crashed..." No. That plane was awful because it crashed but don't overanalyze all of the behaviors and events that took place on that plane that usually don't result in a crash.

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"Also I would absolutely love to hear what "affirmative action based on class" means to Tucker Carlson."

I'm pretty sure his plan was tounge and cheeck in response to "diversity hiring" but it got the point across. Heres what I remember of off memory and I'll put it in quotes so people don't try to act like I said it.
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A board position is open at your company. You are considering "diverse" candidates.

-Anyone who went to an ivy league is automatically disqualified
-Anyone who has worked at a major tech or financial firm is disqualified (i think he mentioned google, amazon, goldman sachs)
-Anyone who has vacationed in nantucket or martha's vineyard is disqualified.

Those groups are already overrepresented on boards.

-Extra points if you went to a trade school
-Extra points if someone in your immediate family died from opioids
-Extra points if you eat dinner in a baseball cap

These groups don't stand a chance in America's class system.
"


And of course any efforts to "diversify" the visible positions in a class-dominated society are trivial and only meant to co-opt the support of identity groups who now see themselves in their group of oppressors.

I'll also add on. Leaving low class whites out of "progressive" changes (like student loan forgiveness only for HBCUs) doesn't actually help minorities. It hurts them by creating resentment and further alienating low class whites. This inevitably radicalizes many and pushes them towards white nationalism.

We still have systemic racism even though we no longer have a directly racist system. Why is that? Well we have a classist system that perpetuates the previously existing racist system. You cannot stop the momentum of the racist system without flattening the classist structure that has been built on top of it. Any attempt to do so will only amplify racial division and animosity.

[Edited on December 2, 2020 at 12:56 PM. Reason : k]

12/2/2020 12:55:07 PM

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