relevant to ^&^^^:

If anyone wants to see a video and a comment section which captures the mentality of these folk, lo and behold:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB_06geG5Wo

3/28/2024 7:36:44 PM

Trump could shoot someone and his fans would be ok with it

3/29/2024 1:28:43 AM

Trump could rape a baby and they'd contort themselves into still supporting him.

3/29/2024 1:48:58 AM

^^^Why do you apparently follow this hick woman's videos? I understand it's being posted as an example of the mentality, but that's the second one I've seen posted from that channel. Another car soliloquy Cut it loose.

3/29/2024 9:24:45 AM

^^Just need to wait until there's an app for that:

3/29/2024 9:28:43 AM

^^

She had a really cute cat video

3/29/2024 3:39:07 PM

Most of us hope Donald Trump loses. Because he is bad for America, and bad for the world.

3/29/2024 11:14:02 PM

I hope he gets raped in prison.

[Edited on March 29, 2024 at 11:20 PM. Reason : spit roast style]

3/29/2024 11:20:18 PM

Would be cool settling with trump riding into sunset graciously going away, never to come again against such negative people.

3/30/2024 12:08:51 AM

Not his style.

3/30/2024 9:07:37 AM

No Labels Ticket

4/4/2024 6:59:47 PM

^It is kind of like at end of Rocky when Apollo says aint gone be no rematch, and Rocky says don't want one

4/4/2024 7:59:25 PM

Trump has a strong hold on the battleground states even though he’s basically stagnant at around 48% nationally

He’d win the electoral college easily at the current polling

Interestingly a Biden-neutral democratic friend just posted on social media that the college loan forgiveness program has eliminated almost $200k in debt. This person works in the medical field and has worked in hospitals for most of their career and really felt the relief was life changing for them.

It’s interesting that in none of the Texas polling so far is trump breaking 50%

If democrats flipped Texas it would nullify the current battleground states
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/texas/


[Edited on April 29, 2024 at 4:39 PM. Reason : ]

4/29/2024 4:34:03 PM

So I guess a lot of Democrats would rather Trump win again than hold their nose and vote for Biden? That seems to be the calculus for Kennedy to be polling almost 10% in Texas?

Man, the arrogance and ego of just a few key people really has the potential to massively screw over the whole country. Looking at you, Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Looking at you, Joe Biden. Take a bow and step aside BEFORE it becomes too late. The country is more important than your ego trip. But too late for that on both counts.

4/29/2024 7:35:33 PM

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"Man, the arrogance and ego of just a few key people really has the potential to massively screw over the whole country."

oh, I thought we were talking about those unruly progressives. But yeah, Biden should never have run again. Maybe if he'd had a VP other than Kamala to pass the torch to, he would have considered it. So yeah, I guess it is the progressives fault again.

4/29/2024 8:07:50 PM

I wasn't talking about Progressives.

Not in this thread and not in the other one.

4/29/2024 8:23:25 PM

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"So I guess a lot of Democrats would rather Trump win again than hold their nose and vote for Biden?"

you sure?

4/29/2024 8:53:06 PM

No. That's why that statement ended with a question mark.

Is your suggestion that progressives are voting for Kennedy? He's insane, and also very difficult to listen to while he's speaking.

I voted third party in 2016 because I was disgusted with the binary choice. Looking back, I view that as a mistake, but one that had little real-world impact in my state of residence.

4/29/2024 9:12:18 PM

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"Is your suggestion that progressives are voting for Kennedy?"

nope. but I am suggesting that once again

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"I guess a lot of Democrats would rather Trump win again than hold their nose and vote for Biden"

or said another way

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"the arrogance and ego of just a few key people really has the potential to massively screw over the whole country"

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"He's insane, and also very difficult to listen to while he's speaking."

I haven't followed RFK that closely, and I don't expect he'll have much impact in the general, but I guess we'll find out. I do understand that both Dems and the GOP have been concerned about how his candidacy could impact the election, and have played their hands accordingly in our first past the post election system.

I think he makes a few reasonable points here and there, but overall I'm not impressed either.

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"I voted third party in 2016 because I was disgusted with the binary choice."

Well I voted for Hillary because I would rather hold my nose and vote for a Democrat that wasn't my first choice rather than Trump win.

Would be great if we had ranked choice voting to eliminate the spoiler effect, allow voters to vote their conscience instead of having to make these important decisions based on game theory outcomes, and lead us to a healthier, more dynamic democracy where there can actually exist more than just two political points of view.

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"Looking back, I view that as a mistake, but one that had little real-world impact in my state of residence."

And it was your right to make that mistake. And perhaps your game theory calculation would have led to a different vote if you lived in a different state.

But there were many left leaning individuals like yourself who also voted third party in critical swing states.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/804407177368715265

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"Stein votes/Trump margin: MI: 51,463/10,704 PA: 49,678/46,765 WI: 31,006/22,177"

And surely some or many of those people were emotionally manipulated through traditional and social media into voting for Stein rather than Hillary.

We all know about the Russian influence and disinformation operations in 2016. Their goal was to sow chaos in the US and other western nations, pit us against each other, and weaken our societies so that we would be less capable of preventing them from persecuting their own ethnic minorities like the Chechens or invading and annexing places like Georgia, Crimea and Kiev.

So as frustrated as I am by 2016 Trump and non-Hillary voters, I try to have compassion for them, for many were victims of disinformation.

In 2019 when I was working on the Yang campaign, the DNC informed us and also made public evidence that foreign nations were once again trying to influence the election and spread disinformation. Notably Iran.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/15/dnc-election-strategy-disinformation-046839
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-iranian-nationals-charged-cyber-enabled-disinformation-and-threat-campaign-designed

Their goal was to sow chaos in the US and other western nations, pit us against each other, and weaken our societies so that we would be less capable of preventing them from persecuting their own ethnic minorities like the Kurds or invading and ideologically annexing places like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Gaza.

Do you think these efforts were happening in 2016 and 2020 but aren't today?

It's clear that TikTok is being used as a CCP influence and disinformation operation. Their goal is to sow chaos in the US and other western nations, pit us against each other, and weaken our societies so that we would be less capable of preventing them from persecuting their own ethnic minorities like the Uyghurs or invading and annexing places like Tibet, the South China Sea, and Taipei.

And once again I see a lot of well-meaning but dangerously foolish progressives who are almost certainly to some degree being manipulated by Russia, Iran and China into a frenzy about an issue they don't fully understand (there's that arrogance and ego. human nature is so tragic) but feel compelled to have an emotional reaction to and to share that self-righteous experience with their friends and peers, and once again we are at risk of Trump being elected President.

What will it take for my friends on the left to consider and realize that they are perhaps making a mistake now? During the 2032 election cycle will they look back at their choices in 2024 with any measure of regret? Can we speed up that timeline a bit somehow?

Since they are known for having so much compassion for persecuted minorities, maybe if for example a well-funded international political organization with strong theocratic and militaristic roots, founded on the goal of expelling the most persecuted minority in human history (by any means necessary) from their indigenous homeland, systematically murdered over a thousand innocent people in the worst pogrom since the Holocaust, maybe it would be a sufficient wake-up call. Maybe.

2032 is gonna be lit.

[Edited on April 30, 2024 at 2:11 PM. Reason : Looking back, I view crazycode as a mistake]

4/30/2024 1:57:03 PM

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"Since they are known for having so much compassion for persecuted minorities, maybe if for example a well-funded international political organization with strong theocratic and militaristic roots, founded on the goal of expelling the most persecuted minority in human history (by any means necessary) from their indigenous homeland, systematically murdered over a thousand innocent people in the worst pogrom since the Holocaust, maybe it would be a sufficient wake-up call. Maybe."

Nope. Progressives only understand the oppressed/oppressor dichotomy, and the answer can only be that the oppressed are 100% righteous in everything they do, and the oppressor is always 100% wrong. There is no nuance.

The extreme irony here is that in their zeal to "stand up for the oppressed" by possibly boycotting Biden, they'll put someone back into power here who will 1) give a blank check to the oppressor they are opposed to, and 2) start his own round of oppression here, probably against them.

4/30/2024 3:17:32 PM

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"Would be great if we had [link]https://home.forwardparty.com/voting_reform">ranked choice voting to eliminate the spoiler effect, allow voters to vote their conscience instead of having to make these important decisions based on game theory outcomes, and lead us to a healthier, more dynamic democracy where there can actually exist more than just two political points of view."

QFT

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"Looking back, I view crazycode as a mistake"

Best mistake ever! I'm going to need it to help deal with my grief over the next year.

Regarding 2016, I am happy to admit my mistake, but don't feel in my case it was due to manipulation (and I wouldn't make it again in our current system). I felt the same disdain with first past the post that you espoused and felt Hillary was the wrong choice for Democrats and that we didn't need to voluntarily perpetuate political dynasties in a nominally democratic system.

I guess in some ways I was trying to wish a better system into existence with a protest vote. I assumed third party votes in 2016 would pull more strongly from a reality TV clown like Trump, but people were far too willing to fully endorse his buffoonery. The reign of Trump and the public and political response to it cemented my alignment with liberal politics. Prior to that, I had tended to vote conservative on mainly fiscal grounds. It would now take a lifetime to undo the reputational damage the Republican Party has inflicted on itself in my mind. They lost a voter likely forever. But I feel like this is a vanishingly small minority reaction everywhere except on TWW and among an educated core friend group from my rural NC high school. Very discouraging.

4/30/2024 7:42:06 PM

I, too, desire ranked choice voting.
Damnit, I can't be seen agreeing with you hippies... uh... something something libertarian rant

4/30/2024 11:40:28 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/poll-biden-trump-supporters-sharply-divided-media-consume-rcna149497



Clearly, President Biden needs to go after that "Don't follow political news" demographic.

5/1/2024 12:32:53 PM

Republicans clearly can't read.

5/1/2024 8:35:57 PM