I felt like he should have never left the NFL for the marines. People can say it was for a different (better)cause, but I disagree.

3/27/2007 11:18:18 PM

I'm guessing this is in relation to the recent news about the alleged ~30 day delay in informing the family that it was friendly fire

3/27/2007 11:21:10 PM

That guy from Heat was despicable.

3/27/2007 11:21:17 PM

Funny, he joined the Army.

3/27/2007 11:25:15 PM

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[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 11:26 PM. Reason : as above]

3/27/2007 11:25:54 PM

^^ whats funny man?

3/27/2007 11:27:05 PM

also WayneGro, since it was Pat Tillman's decision to join the military, what does it matter if you disagree that it was for a better cause if he probably DID think it was for a better cause?

3/27/2007 11:27:52 PM

well, do a little research next time

3/27/2007 11:27:53 PM

special forces=army=navy etc. take your head out of your asshole.

3/27/2007 11:30:28 PM

^^^

also special forces green berets = army
SEALS = navy

etc

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 11:35 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 11:31:59 PM

uh

no.

I'm in the Navy.

I am not in the Army, Marine Corps, Air Force, Marine Corps or Coast Guard.

I am in the Naval Reserves, in a ROTC unit, not a SEAL unit in the Special Operations service within the Navy. We in the military all have different jobs, different titles, etc for a reason.

3/27/2007 11:32:54 PM

Protecting your country (personal opinion, but it's what he believed)

v.

Selling beer

Hmmm


And dude, the guy was a psychopathic hooker-bludgeoning snitch. Robert DeNiro should have offed him when he had the chance.

3/27/2007 11:33:06 PM

dont worry about that unsympathetic bastard. he just wants to troll on a serious topic.

3/27/2007 11:33:28 PM

^ where's the marines in that equation?

he was an ARMY ranger

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 11:35 PM. Reason : ]

3/27/2007 11:34:55 PM

Quote :

"US military spread 'utter fiction' about army war 'heroes' By Agence France Presse (AFP) Thursday, April 26, 2007 WASHINGTON: A pair of high-profile US Army figures accused the military of spreading outright lies and manipulating their stories for a hero-starved public during testimony before Congress on Tuesday. One was Kevin Tillman, the brother of a US football star killed by "friendly fire" in Afghanistan three years ago, who said the military lied about the circumstances of his brother's death to avoid a public relations fiasco and to distract attention from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The other was Jessica Lynch, a female soldier who decried her inaccurate portrayal as a "little girl Rambo" who fired her weapon down to the last bullet before being captured by Iraqis in early 2003, to be daringly saved by US forces nine days later. "It was not true ... I'm still confused as to why they choose to lie and try to make me a legend," she told the House Government Reform Committee hearing on "Misleading Information from the Battlefield." Lynch was 19 when her convoy was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade in Nasiriyyah. Eleven of the soldiers with her died in the attack. Lynch told of Iraqi doctors' attempts to care for her while she lay partially paralyzed from her injuries. "At the same time, tales of great heroism were being told. At my parents' home in Wirt County, West Virginia, it was under siege by media, all repeating the story of the little girl Rambo from the hills of West Virginia who went down fighting," Lynch said. Lynch had not been firing a weapon at the time of the ambush, just riding in a truck. She said her testimony was not politically motivated, but that she felt the real story should get out. "The truth of war is not always easy. The truth is always more heroic than the hype," she said. "The bottom line is the American people are capable of determining their own ideals for heroes, and they don't need to be told elaborate lies." Kevin Tillman told the congressional hearing that family members initially believed the US military's accounts that his brother, Pat Tillman, fought valiantly to the death during a firefight in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. "Our family was told that he was shot in the head by the enemy in a fierce firefight outside a narrow canyon," Kevin Tillman said. But he said they felt shock and betrayal upon learning several weeks later that the National Football League star was apparently killed by over-zealous members of his own platoon. "This was not some fog of war. They simply lost control," said Tillman, as he described the shooting of his brother by fellow troops. "Pat's death was clearly the result of fratricide. It was due to a series of careless actions by several individuals in our own platoon after a small harassing ambush." Kevin Tillman joined the US Army Rangers after the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington along with his older brother Pat, who gave up a $3.6 million contract as a defensive back for the Arizona Cardinals to become an Army Ranger. Kevin, who was assigned to the same unit, abandoned a promising pro baseball career for the same reason. For more than a month after his death, including at a nationally televised memorial service, the army persisted in telling the family that Pat died in an ambush under hostile fire. "Revealing that Pat's death was a fratricide would have been yet another political disaster during a month already swollen with political disasters, and a brutal truth that the American public would undoubtedly find unacceptable," Kevin told the panel. "A terrible tragedy that might have further undermined support for the war in Iraq was transformed into an inspirational message that served instead to support the nation's foreign policy wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, he said. In the hours immediately after his brother's death, "crucial evidence was destroyed - including Pat's uniform, equipment and notebook," he said. "The autopsy was not done according to regulation and the field hospital report was falsified."- AFP"

So will some top head honchos lose their jobs over this moral turpitude or not?

Are the American people sleeping? The gov keeps pulling bullshit like this one after another, and in fact, it was because of falsifications like this that the war started.

One thing Americans (regular people) are famous for in other countries is for being just, fair, being truth-seekers, and for not taking any bullshit from the government. That is basically a factor of the history of the American people, which had many brave people in it.

But seems like in the past decade or so, the typical American person has become a sheep, blindly following the government, and in the process, trampling over the rights of millions of people inside and outside the country, caving into the lies and fearmongering of the corrupt officials, and basically not giving a shit about anything except for where to get fast food for the next meal.

Funny thing is, people in countries who feel themselves to be the most hurt by the actions of the US still cling to the hope that American people are basically good and will one day stand up to their gov and demand justice and truth for themselves and the rest of the world.

Should they be optimistic?


[Edited on April 29, 2007 at 8:54 PM. Reason : ]

4/29/2007 8:47:45 PM

THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

4/29/2007 9:33:56 PM

bttt

7/27/2007 1:22:53 PM

i remember this

lol

7/27/2007 1:47:34 PM

Hey Duke, please lock this thread. i know it's the original, but this one was going nowhere. the OP is an alias who's been suspended, and the only other post worth a damn here was trappy's

lets keep the debate in the latest thread

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7/27/2007 2:35:02 PM

lock the first thread are you kidding me? more like teach salisburyboy to use the search function

7/27/2007 4:18:50 PM

i thought the deal was that Salisburyboy had to create his own threads from now on. Since his hands are tied in that situation then there's really no need to lock either thread.

7/27/2007 4:23:03 PM

^ that's how trolltwista trolls. this is what twista said 3 hours before in the OTHER thread:

Quote :

"well if thats the case then ok, i didnt realize that...that actually makes sense for you to create a new thread"

and EVEN THOUGH he acknowledged that he finally understood why salis had created another thread, he comes back to this thread 3 hours later, and repeats the same thing again here.

7/27/2007 4:26:43 PM

whatever it doesnt matter.

this thread was going nowhere. the only thing happening here was TreeTwista trolling the OP for mixing up marines with army rangers.

this thread was dead for 89 daysbefore TrollTwista BTTT'd it.

7/27/2007 5:41:48 PM

yeah, just continue this in the other thread.

7/27/2007 5:57:13 PM