http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-09-19T164541Z_01_YUE946529_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITONS.xml

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"Two Britons held in Iraq for firing at police BASRA, Iraq (Reuters) - Angry crowds attacked a British tank with petrol bombs and rocks in Basra on Monday after Iraqi authorities detained two British undercover soldiers in the southern city for firing on police. ... Reuters photographs showed one of the two detained men with a bandage on his head. Police and Interior Ministry officials said the men were wearing traditional Arab headdresses for their undercover mission. Mohammed al-Abadi, an official in the Basra governorate, said the two men looked suspicious to police. "A policeman approached them and then one of these guys fired at him. Then the police managed to capture them," Abadi told reporters."

Iraqi police detain two British soldiers in Basra
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-09/19/content_3514065.htm

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"Two persons wearing Arab uniforms opened fire at a police station in Basra. A police patrol followed the attackers and captured them to discover they were two British soldiers," an Interior Ministry source told Xinhua. The two soldiers were using a civilian car packed with explosives, the source said."

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-09-19T201444Z_01_YUE946529_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITONS.xml

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"British tanks smash Iraqi jail to free UK soldiers BASRA, Iraq (Reuters) - British forces used tanks to smash down the walls of a prison in the southern city of Basra and freed two undercover British soldiers seized earlier by Iraqi forces, an Interior Ministry official said on Monday."

Commentary from whatreallyhappened.com:

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"The Iraqi police stopped a suspicious car with two occupants wearing Arab clothing. The car was packed with explosives, and the occupants opened fire on the police. The police succeeded in capturing the occupants of the car and surprise, surprise, what they found they had were not insurgents but two undercover British soldiers! This is, of course, proof that the so-called suicide bombings pointed to as reason to oppose the Iraqi people's efforts to oust the occupation are in fact false-flag operations by the occupiers themselves. The British really did not have any choice but to break their men out of that jail before they talked, but in all honesty, doing so amounts to a confession of guilt anyway. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/"

[Edited on September 20, 2005 at 8:40 AM. Reason : 2]

9/20/2005 8:24:12 AM

My God this is scandalous and really horrible.

1 - First, this shows that British (and probably US) troops have probably carried out some "insurgent violence" before, perhaps including bombings, to further show the world how "bad" these Iraqis are, and so therefore, extend their stay in Iraq.

2 - Second, their action of smashing a jail with a tank to free those soldiers captured, not by insurgents, but by legitimate Iraqi forces, shows that they don't really care about law and order or infrastructure, and would work against Iraqi forces to cover up lies and treachery.

I hope they all die, IF really they have been doing this.

9/20/2005 8:34:58 AM

well, although this is really nuts, you do have to remember it was just two british soldiers. You can't very well extend this and say that it applies to a majority of insurgents or anything.

still, it calls for an indepth investigation, to be sure.

9/20/2005 8:44:58 AM

wtf

is Salisbury is onto something here?

9/20/2005 8:57:37 AM

bbc is now reporting the police had handed them over to the militia

apparently when they stormed the police station, the two troops were nowhere to be found

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4262336.stm

9/20/2005 9:03:58 AM

that's weird as hell

what's going on here?

9/20/2005 9:22:47 AM

This is some big doings. All manner of hell could break loose over this if the inital story is anywhere near true.

9/20/2005 10:03:20 AM

salisburyboy posted it

it isn't the way it seems

9/20/2005 10:18:59 AM

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"salisburyboy posted it it isn't the way it seems"

Shoot the message, not the messenger.

9/20/2005 10:26:08 AM

In the article on CNN, http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/09/20/iraq.basra/index.html , it states that:

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"The official said two unknown gunmen in full Arabic dress began firing on civilians in central Basra, wounding several, including a traffic police officer. There were no fatalities, the official said. The two gunmen fled the scene but were captured and taken in for questioning, admitting they were British Marines carrying out a "special security task," the official said."

Of course, this is just an unknown "official," but I can't wait to hear the answer of the US/UK Military when they ask whether this is true or not.

9/20/2005 10:33:26 AM

I think it's pretty clear that most insurgents aren't British soldiers. But what's not clear is why these British soldiers were acting as insurgents (if that's what they were doing). Weird...

9/20/2005 10:38:03 AM

omg its the exception lets call it the rule

9/20/2005 10:47:33 AM

I can't believe that salisburybot actually posted something credible.

9/20/2005 10:57:36 AM

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"I think it's pretty clear that most insurgents aren't British soldiers. But what's not clear is why these British soldiers were acting as insurgents (if that's what they were doing). Weird..."

The main point here is that the British military is actively involved in creating/supporting the "insurgency." And just because the majority of the "insurgents" may in fact be Arab does not rule out the strong possibility that those Arab "insurgents" are merely agents of the British and American militaries (ie, hired guns).

9/20/2005 11:08:22 AM

wait...we're hiring people to shoot at us and make us look like we don't have control over iraq?

9/20/2005 11:09:22 AM

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"Shoot the message, not the messenger."

i did

the two marines had been turned over to the insurgency by the police

if i have to explain why that matters, then i don't think i'm going to

9/20/2005 11:11:03 AM

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"The main point here is that the British military is actively involved in creating/supporting the "insurgency." And just because the majority of the "insurgents" may in fact be Arab does not rule out the strong possibility that those Arab "insurgents" are merely agents of the British and American militaries (ie, hired guns). "

There's nothing to indicate that.

Very little makes any sense now, but there's no reason for Britain to be propping up the entire insurgency. That evaluation doesn't make any sense at all.

If I had to guess, I would say these guys might have been tasked with infiltrating the insurgency, so they were acting like insurgents, and were going to follow the other insurgents back to their hiding place when they ran away. But, for whatever reason, they killed some people (strategy? accident?) and got caught. Then, the British gov., instead of using a secret op, rammed some tanks in to a jail of the sovereign Iraqi gov., to try and break their guys out. It seems to be multi-tiered stupidity on the part of the British.

However, there is nothing to indicate, so far, and there is no reason to believe that the insurgency as a whole is being propped out by outside forces.

9/20/2005 11:13:53 AM

LIBERAL MEDIA CONSPIRACY

9/20/2005 11:16:36 AM

as reported in the link i posted:

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"In a statement, Brig Lorimer said that under Iraqi law the soldiers should have been handed over to coalition authorities, but this failed to happen despite repeated requests. "I had good reason to believe that the lives of the soldiers were at risk and troops were sent to the area of Basra near the police station to help ensure their safety by providing a cordon," Brig Lorimer said. "As shown on television these troops were attacked with firebombs and rockets by a violent and determined crowd. "Later in the day, however, I became more concerned about the safety of the two soldiers after we received information that they had been handed over to militia elements." After troops broke into the police station to confirm the men were not there, they staged a rescue from a house in Basra, said the commanding officer of 12 Mechanised Brigade in Basra. Brig Lorimer added: "It is of deep concern that British soldiers held by the police should then end up being held by the militia. This is unacceptable." BBC Defence Correspondent Paul Wood said local police revealed the whereabouts of the two men after the station was stormed. "At the point of a 30mm cannon - no shots were fired - but at the point of this cannon, the Iraqi police gave away the location of where the two British soldiers had been taken," he said. "

9/20/2005 11:20:25 AM

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" There's nothing to indicate that."

I agree. You can't jump to conclusions on something this serious.

9/20/2005 11:25:02 AM

^^ That doesn't explain too much. Except the part about how the guys were handed over to the militia.

[Edited on September 20, 2005 at 11:27 AM. Reason : r]

9/20/2005 11:26:37 AM

Some of the "insurgents" are probably Israeli/Mossad forces as well.

Israeli Mercenaries arrested for firing on Marines
http://judicial-inc.biz/Mercs_ambush_marines.htm

Mossad Downs Helicopter Carrying Blackwater Mercenaries
http://judicial-inc.biz/Blackwater_helicopter.htm

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"Summary Israel has Mossad agents, as well as IDF special operations personnel, operating all over Iraq. Their goal is to fragment Iraq through chaos. They stage false-flag attacks to cause sectarian strife, and to try and turn world opinion against the Iraqi people. Mossad specialties include car bombings of children at school, mosque bombings, bombings of Christian churches, and also introducing illicit drugs onto the streets of Iraq. Mossad agents will also orchestrate heinous false flags attacks against US personnel, to further villify the Iraqi people in the minds of the American public. Mossad agents, working with IDF special forces operatives, executed over 50 Muslim civilians, dumped their bodies in the Tigris River, then had Iraqis informed that it was Blackwater contractors who done the massacre. This massacre was a psy-op to ratchet up tensions and hatred towards Americans. Then, a Blackwater team was sent on a mission where Mossad operatives were waiting with a Strela-7 SAM, and they shot the helicopter down, executed the survivor and blamed it on Muslims by posting a video of it on a phony "Islamic" website that is controlled by the Mossad."

9/20/2005 11:43:10 AM

You had a chance to regain some credibility, and support your beliefs with reason, but you blew it. Better luck next time.

9/20/2005 11:44:46 AM

http://www.infowars.com/articles/iraq/basra_agent_provocateurs.htm

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"Agent Provocateurs? UK Soldiers Dressed as Iraqis Killing Local Police Infowars.com | September 20, 2005 [...] Despite the Brits' spin on the jailbreak, this whole incident certainly lends credibility to the idea that many of the so-called insurgent attacks and bombings are little more than "coalition" orchestrations designed to perpetuate chaos in the country to precipitate continued involvment in Iraq by the US military."

9/20/2005 11:59:38 AM

Two Britons

9/20/2005 12:11:48 PM

Salisbury, why do you find the need to post such idiotic bullshit all the time?

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"0EPII1 1 - First, this shows that British (and probably US) troops have probably carried out some "insurgent violence" before, perhaps including bombings, to further show the world how "bad" these Iraqis are, and so therefore, extend their stay in Iraq."

I see that impartiality your known for hasn't changed any.

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"2 - Second, their action of smashing a jail with a tank to free those soldiers captured, not by insurgents, but by legitimate Iraqi forces, shows that they don't really care about law and order or infrastructure, and would work against Iraqi forces to cover up lies and treachery."

You must have really squeegee cleaned that third eye, for such an insightful and soundly logical statement.

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"I hope they all die"

As per usual, the feeling is mutual.

[Edited on September 20, 2005 at 1:01 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2005 1:00:06 PM

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"Salisbury, why do you find the need to post such idiotic bullshit all the time?"

Why attack me? I didn't make this up. All I did is pass on what reuters reported. Why aren't you attacking reuters for reporting that the undercover British soldiers dressed up as Arabs and attacked Iraqi police?

9/20/2005 1:07:35 PM

you are the one that called them insurgents
and have made the connection that this means the insurgency is fueled by the brits in order to keep them their longer

9/20/2005 2:35:52 PM

^^ BTW, why would reuters report that if they're part of the elite zionist disinformation machine?

9/20/2005 2:38:08 PM

DON'T THROW WATER ON SALISBURYBOT!

9/20/2005 2:39:18 PM

You know, I don't mind salisbury. He's mostly harmless, its just that some people actually believe his eclectic websources without question.

9/20/2005 2:50:43 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/200905stagedterror.htm

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"British Mercenaries Caught Carrying Out Staged Terror In Iraq Media blackout shadows why soldiers were arrested Paul Joseph Watson | September 20 2005 In another example of how the Iraqi quagmire is deliberately designed to degenerate into a chaotic abyss, British mercenaries were caught attempting to stage a terror attack and the media have dutifully shut up about the real questions surrounding the incident. What is admitted is that two British soldiers in Arab garb and head dress drove a car towards a group of Iraq police and began firing. According to the Basra governor Mohammed al-Waili, one policeman was shot dead and another was injured. Pictured below are the wigs and clothing that the soldiers were wearing. The Arab garb is obviously undeniable proof that the operation, whatever its ultimate intention, was staged so that any eyewitnesses would believe it had been carried out by Iraqis. This has all the indications of a frame up. This is made all the more interesting by the fact that early reports cited as originating from BBC World Service radio stated that the car used contained explosives. Was this another staged car bombing intended to keep tensions high? As you will discover later, the plan to keep Iraq divided and in turmoil is an actual policy directive that spans back over two decades."

9/20/2005 4:54:56 PM

whelllllp

now the thread is ruined

you had some people on your side
and what do you do

you go running back to your abusive lover
and now everyone is just gonna go *tsk* *tsk* "she's asking for trouble"

9/20/2005 5:21:28 PM

i like this thread

12/7/2005 2:12:35 PM