These folks are fucking nuts. Apparently Bush is the terrorist and Cuba is a fine country.

[Edited on September 24, 2005 at 11:13 PM. Reason : That was vague if you see this later -> War Protesters ]

9/24/2005 11:11:34 PM

Ever been to cuba? It's pretty nice there.

9/24/2005 11:17:33 PM

OK, rephrase. Cuba is in a much better place socially, politically, and economically than the United States. I'm sure it is a nice place to visit...

9/24/2005 11:20:06 PM

Well it's certainly been looking up since castro took power and cleaned out all the mobsters, drugs, gambling, and prostitution.

9/24/2005 11:24:07 PM

Because only communists have the ability of law enforcement.

9/24/2005 11:28:25 PM

As much as I want to have a long drawn out argument about Cuba and it's... ah... opressive communist government... that wasn't the point of this post. I was trying to comment on the folks marching on Washington with the goal of an immediate pullout from Iraq. And I know that has been brought up before, but right now on C-span, I caught the protest and wanted to give other TWW folks the opportunity for a laugh (or nod in agreement, should you be so inclined). Nader is on right now.

9/24/2005 11:29:47 PM

Communists are good at law enforcment. If you disagree or have an opinion other than the party's, they put you in jail or kill you. But they have socialized health care .

9/24/2005 11:31:09 PM

I'd blame the enherent corruption that lies in a capitalist government, but I suppose we shouldn't hijack here.

[Edited on September 24, 2005 at 11:33 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2005 11:32:43 PM

Check communist vs capitalist. I think thats are far as we need to go. I have a feeling we wont change each other's minds.

9/24/2005 11:34:04 PM

^ Yep, we are all in agreement to disagree.

I'd blame the inherent corruption that lies in a communist government, but you already knew that

BTW, did the lady seriously expect Bush (or any credible member of government) to show up to their rally?

9/24/2005 11:38:01 PM

No this is the BIG rally. A whole bunch of protesters from a bunch of different groups. They don't want to talk to the President, they want him impeached and removed.

[Edited on September 24, 2005 at 11:40 PM. Reason : .]

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9/24/2005 11:40:25 PM

Every one of those protesters in the crowd look high.

9/24/2005 11:46:03 PM

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"Well it's certainly been looking up since castro took power and cleaned out all the mobsters, drugs, gambling, and prostitution."

This from a man who is at least a supporter of drugs and probably one of prostitution and gambling?

9/25/2005 3:18:35 AM

At least he doesn't bomb other countries.
By the way gambling, prostitution, drugs are not criminal offenses to me.
You can call me a smuck for that but i'm not a greedy son of a bitch who doesn't care for the lives of our troops.

9/25/2005 7:46:19 AM

Ah, yes anyone who thinks that the Cuban government is corrupt is "a greedy son of a bitch who doesn't care for the lives of our troops." Love the way you took too seperate subjects and connected them to call us names.

9/25/2005 9:21:54 AM

Well I strive at trying to drive the point home, but you misunderstood me. I was refering to Bush in direct contrast to Castro. Although for those who are indeed in blantant disregard or the realities of this war and only care about their stock numbers in harlinburton, that comment goes out to them as well.

9/25/2005 4:30:39 PM

I like how people automatically assume that communist countries are tyrannies. Cuba is actually doing quite well for itself.

9/25/2005 4:44:55 PM

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"supercalo: At least he doesn't bomb other countries."

probably b/c his government's too broke to afford much in terms of armaments (and that's with Venezuela's largesse...)

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"nutsmackr: I like how people automatically assume that communist countries are tyrannies."

Probably because they are. One can't exist without the other, hence Kris's anger at human nature...

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"nutsmackr: Cuba is actually doing quite well for itself."

Quote of the Day right here folks...



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9/25/2005 4:49:39 PM

they seem to be breeding some good engineers

9/25/2005 4:52:31 PM

^
It's their fantastic world-class Grade A "we have a 100% literacy rate" public education system.



That and the desperation to flee an oppressive dictatorship, but I digress...

9/25/2005 4:55:53 PM

i think it's cause we have better cable tv

9/25/2005 4:57:59 PM

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"Quote of the Day right here folks... "

I know. If people escaping to a richer neighbor isn't proof your entire political system needs to be dismantled, I don't know what is.

9/25/2005 7:29:03 PM

are you still here?

9/25/2005 7:38:20 PM

no way that the protest group might *shock* possess a varied variety of political and economical ideologies

9/25/2005 7:39:36 PM

I've illegally been to Cuba before and it is every bit as crappy and pathetic in person as it is in theory.

9/25/2005 7:45:18 PM

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"Every one of those protesters in the crowd look high."

Becoming a walking stereotype is one of the best ways to legitimize your cause.

9/25/2005 7:49:11 PM

not to protect castro, but ive been to a few carribean islands, and theyre all dumps outside of the resort cities.

9/25/2005 7:51:17 PM

I have visited many carribean islands, and sure enough, the only ones that seemed great to live on turned out to be holdings of the United States. St. Thomas was spectacular! I'm sure it was a weird coincidence, but the KFC and Bank of America parking lot was full of shiny european cars, mercedes and the like. I was so shocked because I had just come from Dom Rep which seemed like one of the nicer island nations.

Before visiting St. Thomas and a few other American holdings, I had figured there was an innate problem with Island Life which made the local populous poor (high shipping costs). Boy was I wrong. It obviously has a negative effect, but is miniscule compared to the costs associated with bad government.

9/25/2005 9:00:33 PM

ive been to puerto rico

its a dump, even in most of san juan. they do have a nice interstate running from north to south, however.

jamaica is about the same as PR.

I hear Trinidad is too.

9/25/2005 9:03:51 PM

America has been making it hard for Cuba with high shipping costs, blockades, and simply put isolation. When you claim there are poor housing, education, and jobs what can one expect from third world countries. Especially third world island countries. I dont claim to know everything involved with island nation building but it seems there are a lot more complexities involved here. All we see is evil Castro this and evil Castro that. America has been using Cuba as toilet paper for quite a long time. Nothing said here has any weight to perpetuate grounds for invasion and regime change. Sure they're are political prisoners in cuba. The majority who are nothing more than crooks who have tasted America's corruption and like it. If you want to understand the real source of the chaos in cuba look no further than your own country. Untold assasinations and terrorist activity committed by our own, sponsored by our government. Guantonomo bay is a pit of human depravity. Why do you think Central America and now South America are growing with anti-American sentiment. It's because our government has been bullying them for 100's of years. Panama, Nicaragua, Hades are all testament to this.

9/25/2005 9:14:22 PM

^Nicaragua and Panama were nothing like each other, and neither are like Cuba.

Panama was us taking out our own man.

Nicaragua was Reagan trying to show off for the Soviets and looking like a fool (tho some people still think otherwise...)

Cuba has been a tough question for awile.

9/25/2005 9:17:54 PM

Nicaragua was just a training ground for our troops as we led one force (Hondurus) against another (Nicaragua). People died and nothing came out of it. US is and has been using poor countries to there benefit is what i've been saying all along. For instance, Panama, there is so much you do not know about the acutual canal building. The turnover and the drug trafficking corruption that is behind it all. When the canal was signed over they had him wisked away to an offshore naval boat and made him sign it. Many laborers from minorities such as the chinese were used in the building of the canal only to die and be left where they were. Research it and I promise you will be shocked.

9/25/2005 9:33:13 PM

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"supercalo: It's because our government has been bullying them for 100's of years...Hades are all testament to this."

Sounds like the tagline to a movie trailer...

"Satan's been bullied for 100's of years, but now he's back...and he's PISSED."

9/25/2005 9:47:11 PM

^^i actually spent last summer writing a thesis on that.

hondurans were involved, but there was much more to it.

9/25/2005 10:02:08 PM

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" One can't exist without the other, hence Kris's anger at human nature..."

And what is this "human nature"? Human nature does not exist, check Watson's Little Albert, Milgram, Stanford prison, Pavlov, etc.

What you consider to be human nature is simply the product of our capitalist economic system. It is not in some way some innate part of the human psyche.

9/26/2005 12:31:41 AM

The basis of communism is bunk - communism was created on the premise that the enivitability of capitalist failure would mean that it would spread - but the number of truly communist countries has gone down. Is it hard to figure out why?

9/26/2005 1:51:45 AM

^^
Hence my post. You (and all other pseudo-, quasi-, and neo-Communists) are mad at human nature and its rejection of your dystopia, so you bluster on about "conditioning this", "evil capitalism that", etc.

And at the end of the day none of it matters.

Capitalism and freedom exist, be it as an effect or a cause of human nature. Your fantasies, as a result, will never be realized. Sorry.

9/26/2005 10:24:51 AM

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"This from a man who is at least a supporter of drugs and probably one of prostitution and gambling?"

At least Castro recognizes that people are going to do these things anyway and doesn't turn a blind eye to it like we do here in the US...

9/26/2005 10:34:30 AM

TGD and Ergo, when the revolution comes, you'll be made to understand.

9/26/2005 10:40:06 AM

now wait, wait, wait

is castro a "supporter" of drugs and "probably one of prostitution and gambling," as you so nicely assumed, or is he a supporter of legalizing them? Because, you know, there's a big difference between the two.

9/26/2005 10:40:48 AM

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"If you want to understand the real source of the chaos in cuba look no further than your own country"

yeah cause nobody was corrupt before 1776 AD

9/26/2005 10:58:15 AM

^^ Then couldn't he have just legalized it instead of confiscating everyones property?

9/26/2005 1:49:58 PM

BTW, I just read an interesting statistic. When polled, 29% of Americans claim to earn in the top 1%.

It strikes me, if a revolution ever came, this 29% could be counted on to fight ferociously to defend the current system.

I wonder how many when polled would claim to be in the top 10%?

[Edited on September 26, 2005 at 1:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2005 1:57:07 PM

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"is castro a "supporter" of drugs and "probably one of prostitution and gambling," as you so nicely assumed, or is he a supporter of legalizing them? Because, you know, there's a big difference between the two."

Grumpy was talking about me, not castro. Castro is a very morally upright man. His island has no illiteracy, and a very very small crime rate.

Now I do love drugs, but I don't neccesarily think they should be legal (except pot). You have to really understand what cuba was before castro. It was disgusting. It was a haven for drugs, casinos, and prostitution, run by the mafia with the government in their pocket. If I saw my home reduced to that I would most likely be more radically agianst these things.

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"communism was created on the premise that the enivitability of capitalist failure would mean that it would spread"

Nope, communism is based around marx's labor theory of value.

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"You (and all other pseudo-, quasi-, and neo-Communists) are mad at human nature and its rejection of your dystopia"

I'm not mad at what you consider human nature. It is simply primitive. There is a better way of doing things than the ineffective zero-sum game represented by capitalist economics.

9/26/2005 3:24:26 PM

how many people base their ideas of marxism on the actual writings and not on speeches by politicians and stuff you see on the news?

not many outside of a sociology class.

9/26/2005 5:01:29 PM