respect for their opinions

1. pryderi
2. salisburyboy
3. THABIGL
4. JerryGarcia
5. Crazywade
6. xyzabc


there are people like Dirtygreek and Kris who I will almost NEVER agree with, but for various reasons, I can read things they write and see something besides "DUMBASS DUMBASS DUMBASS DUMBASS DUMBASS"

11/3/2005 12:15:32 PM

11/3/2005 12:17:23 PM

i think salisburyboy has been on to some really hot leads...

11/3/2005 12:19:12 PM

I would add a few more people, but I concur with that list.

I thought this thread was about New Orleans, though.

11/3/2005 12:20:50 PM

7. aaronburro

11/3/2005 12:22:14 PM

^^^maybe he should get a job doing intel for the CIA

i mean, it might be about par for the course, given our intel problems leading up to the Iraq war

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 12:22 PM. Reason : ^nah, he isn't on the same level as those A-list clowns I named]

11/3/2005 12:22:16 PM

MathFreak and 0EP would insist that virtually everyone on here should be on that list, and I would be at the top of it.

And, incidentally, 0EP commands no respect for his opinions, either.

11/3/2005 12:24:18 PM

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"he isn't on the same level as those A-list clowns I named"

yes he is.

11/3/2005 12:25:25 PM

Oh yeah, OEP, he should be on the list.

11/3/2005 12:26:38 PM

^^^no, both of them fall into that Dirtygreek/Kris/etc category that I mentioned, in my opinion.

I mean, I'll look past crazy ideas and biases as long as there is evidence of somewhat clear thought processes behind it.

there's a difference between being an outright dumbass and being an ideologue, not being grounded in the real world, and/or having some ideas that are way out there.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 12:29 PM. Reason : asdfasdfasdf]

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 12:37 PM. Reason : asdfasdfsdfa]

11/3/2005 12:29:07 PM

hooray, I feel special

11/3/2005 12:33:10 PM

Trap shouldn't be on that list, he makes some valid points at times and isn't a bumbling moron like some of those people...

11/3/2005 12:36:20 PM

^^ Me too.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 12:37 PM. Reason : ^^]

11/3/2005 12:37:09 PM

^ and ^^^, you should feel special. You are special. It's just, well, in the Olympics sense of the word.

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"there's a difference between being an outright dumbass and being an ideologue"

Not really.

But anyway, I see almost identical thought processes between JerryGarcia and 0EP -- "America is teh evil, they are opressing all teh poor foreigners, they are teh barbarians," etc.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 12:42 PM. Reason : ]

11/3/2005 12:41:08 PM

well, i am VERY much a pragmatist, so ideologues make me scratch my head sometimes. i've seen MathFreak say (and i'm paraphrasing, here) "well, i don't really like this idea at all, but it fits my ideology, so i'll support it."

i think that's the wrong way to look at things, but that's something different than what is (or rather, isn't) going on in the minds of the people i mentioned.


and i see a definite distinction between the attitude of 0EP111 and JerryGarcia. 0EP basically just disagrees with some American policies (albeit in a rather venemous way sometimes), but he'll still give credit where credit is due. i think he's probably a pretty decent guy. JerryGarcia is a dirtbag, and I get the feeling that he pretty much hates and looks down on everything between Cape Hatteras and Honolulu.

11/3/2005 12:49:09 PM

^ in response to duke866...again ... truth hurts. the problem is that perhaps many are living in so much darkness, that you dont know the difference between what is right and wrong anymore. its all a blurr.

hence, 'demand no respect for their opinions.' you are free to think up whatever you wish.

11/3/2005 12:52:25 PM

Just realize that I'm jumping to the defense of DirtyGreek and [user]0EP111[/user], but still lumping you in with salisburyboy and THABIGL.

It has nothing to do with disparity of our opinions on anything.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 12:55 PM. Reason : and if THAT truth doesn't hurt...]

11/3/2005 12:55:30 PM

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" but he'll still give credit where credit is due"

I would pay millions of completely hypothetical dollars to see one example of this.

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"in response to duke866...again ... truth hurts."

If truth hurts...then bullshit is novacaine...

xyzabc for Soap Box dentist

11/3/2005 12:57:58 PM

So THABIGL really isn't a pseudonym that some is just messing around with? You have to be kidding.

I'd agree with the initial list (though I don't remember ever seeing Crazywade so can't say either way). And I also agree that even though some people, like DG, have significantly different viewpoints from my own I know that they aren't mentally unbalanced... just misguided

11/3/2005 1:19:46 PM

i agree with this thread

11/3/2005 1:25:18 PM

ditto.

11/3/2005 1:44:17 PM

8. theDuke866

UH, I'M A MEATHEAD HAR HARHAR

11/3/2005 1:54:52 PM

I didn't mean to hurt your e-clit

11/3/2005 1:57:10 PM

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"there's a difference between being an outright dumbass and being an ideologue"

Your list doesnt seem to distinguish extremists from flamers.

11/3/2005 1:58:27 PM

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"I mean, I'll look past crazy ideas and biases as long as there is evidence of somewhat clear thought processes behind it. there's a difference between being an outright dumbass and being an ideologue, not being grounded in the real world, and/or having some ideas that are way out there."

Are you calling an internet messageboard, with people who rant on with whatever they feel like behind an alias,.......the real world???

Wow, I feel bad for you if you take most of the stuff on here seriously.....its kinda like getting in a fistfight during a Student Government Senate meeting. Wait, I see some parallels here...

11/3/2005 2:06:08 PM

9. Woodfoot

11/3/2005 2:19:01 PM

I don't respect anyone who ignores facts.

11/3/2005 9:55:44 PM

Does anyone remember GGMon, Penzoate, and TreeTwista10?

11/3/2005 10:13:56 PM

this list seems blatantly partisan

sorry everything in here isnt "support our troops! any redistribution is evil! we're shining a beacon of freedom! france sucks! conservatives know americas values!"

im sure some people would rather read that, but tough.

11/3/2005 10:16:14 PM

good thread. but you cant lump salsbury/pyeredi with the rest of em

sals is on a special tier

11/3/2005 10:16:57 PM

well, there is a difference b/w getting news from the ny times and getting news from prison planet.

seems like pyderi at least draws from well-known media sources (LIBERAL CONSPIRACY SOURCES)

11/3/2005 10:19:08 PM

Ooh ooh

Stevenumbers

11/3/2005 10:22:08 PM

well then, pryderi, I guess you don't respect yourself >.<

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"this list seems blatantly partisan"

dude, THABIGL and theDuke are pratically on the same side of the aisle. So is salisburyboy, and I think xyzabc might be as well (haven't checked his stuff out recently, but I make that assertion based on his "in the darkness" statement). Granted, salisbury boy is so far to the right of the aisle that he's like outside the fucking building, he's still to the right of the aisle.

Pryderi and JG are DEFINITELY on the left side of the aisle, but, given duke's assertion that he appreciates logic, they are logically consistent with the rest of his list of people who he claims don't think logically, or at least that they don't argue as such...

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"seems like pyderi at least draws from well-known media sources"

only, he really doesn't. He may quote the NYtimes every now and then, but when he does, he does the exact same thing that salisburybot does when quoting the NYtimes: he takes one or two phrases in the article and blows them out of proportion and ignores the context of the rest of the article. The rest of the time, pryderi is quoting sources which are doing the same thing.

11/3/2005 10:22:08 PM

^^^^^that post seems blatantly wrong

out of my original 7, i count 3 people i'd categorize as part of the "left", 2 from the "right", and one from another planet (who was, once upon a time, a nutjob member of the extreme right...and really, i'd still categorize him as part of the right, but he's so far out there that he makes your average Wyoming militiaman look like Dennis Kucinich)

^pryderi is second only to salisburyboy, who is indeed on his own special tier. a couple of the others are very close behind, though.


oh, and BEU and okydoky get my nomination, too.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 10:25 PM. Reason : ^^^^^]

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 10:27 PM. Reason : asdfasdfasdf]

11/3/2005 10:23:54 PM

nm, i didnt know who was on which side, i knew about pyderi, i figured xyc was on the left, jg is obvious, cw i have no clue.

thabigl was the only one i knew for sure was on the right

salisburybot...well, yeah

V ok

what about GGMon's "im gonna post crazy fwds from my uncle that piss off the lefties, hur hur hur"?

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 10:29 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2005 10:26:09 PM

he's saying that just because you cite NY Times doesn't mean you aren't full of shit.

11/3/2005 10:27:52 PM

i would say that your comment on the NYTimes and PP is misleading. Just because I quote from the NYTimes doesn't make my argument anymore logical than if I quote from PP.

so much more to the point, duke

11/3/2005 10:28:15 PM

basically, my intention here was to serve as an intervention of sorts. some of these people probably know that they aren't in the political mainstream, but maybe it'll do them some good to see their names on a short list with established loons. i mean, these are the people who, when i see that a thread was posted by them, i rarely even click on it.

sometimes it helps to get an outside point of view.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 10:32 PM. Reason : asdf]

11/3/2005 10:31:00 PM

Im a dumbass for disagreeing with liberals and supporting the war/troops? b/c thats all ive ever done while posting on here. i have reasons behind every thing i say.

maybe you just need to take it easy on who you call a "nutjob'

11/3/2005 10:38:00 PM

Am I an idealogue?

I know my ideas might seem kind of out there, but that's only because they are so distantly in the future. I don't want America to be communsit right now, I just wish for us to continue the progressive path. My short term goals are no different than that of most other democrats.

I've always considered myself the most real of realists.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ]

11/3/2005 10:38:44 PM

a realist? you support communism, something we fought for nearly 50 years to rid the world of, A DEAD SYSTEM THAT HATES INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM

11/3/2005 10:41:26 PM

are you on your period or something?

11/3/2005 10:42:15 PM

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"well, i am VERY much a pragmatist, so ideologues make me scratch my head sometimes. i've seen MathFreak say (and i'm paraphrasing, here) "well, i don't really like this idea at all, but it fits my ideology, so i'll support it." i think that's the wrong way to look at things."

That's absolutely the right way to look at things. Albeit presented in a somewhat cartoonish form. I may be wrong to not like some things, or at least to actively dislike them. The only way to check if I'm wrong is to step back to core principles that I believe are true and see if my disliking of something violates those principles.

There is a difference between saying "Hell, yeah, I'll believe in this bullshit cuz that's what us <insert a group name> are supposed to believe" and "OK, it appeared weird at first, but now that I've figured it out it actually is normal, and I should accept it".

For example, I once was a proponent of making foreigners learn the language. Cuz it's "nice" when people around you don't say "durka durka durka" or "abadubadubadu". I was wrong and I realized it.

11/3/2005 10:48:09 PM

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"a realist? you support communism, something we fought for nearly 50 years to rid the world of, A DEAD SYSTEM THAT HATES INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM"

so yeah, thats why you are on the list. Some people also fought for many years to continue segregation, but that sure as hell don't make segregation right... If you want to attack communism, then you need to do more than say "OMFG WE HATED IT FOR YEARS! IT MUST BE BAD!!!" especially when one considers that what we really hated wasn't communism.

11/3/2005 11:25:11 PM

^ I really hate communism, so speak for yourself. I don't hate it because of the totalitarianism it is usually associated with, I hate it because it sounds like common-sense to people which then attempt to apply it and every single time they just end up making life a little more miserable here on planet earth.

11/3/2005 11:35:05 PM

yep. thats a good reason to hate it. but, what you hate is not really communism. You hate the mis-application of communism which almost always seems to occur when communism is attempted.

11/3/2005 11:37:44 PM

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"A DEAD SYSTEM THAT HATES INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM"

cause we all know systems have emotions

11/3/2005 11:38:13 PM

they hate our freedom

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 11:43 PM. Reason : !]

11/3/2005 11:43:25 PM

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"maybe you just need to take it easy on who you call a "nutjob'"

salisburyboy is the aforementioned nutjob.

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" Am I an idealogue?"

nah, not really. that was more in description of MathFreak, who is a self-confessed ideologue.

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" I may be wrong to not like some things, or at least to actively dislike them. The only way to check if I'm wrong is to step back to core principles that I believe are true and see if my disliking of something violates those principles."

eh, i know what you are getting at, but you go too far for my tastes.

there are times when i think "man, i don't really like this, but i think it's for the best."

you are willing to say "i think this is a bad idea, but it fits my ideology, so i'll go with it."

there is a difference.

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"so yeah, thats why you are on the list."

i didn't put him on MY list. in fact, i specifically said that we stand for basically opposite things, and i'm almost never going to agree with him. i will, however, usually read what he writes.

11/3/2005 11:46:03 PM

Quote :

"maybe you just need to take it easy on who you call a "nutjob'"

salisburyboy is the aforementioned nutjob.

Quote :

" Am I an idealogue?"

nah, not really. that was more in description of MathFreak, who is a self-confessed ideologue.

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" I may be wrong to not like some things, or at least to actively dislike them. The only way to check if I'm wrong is to step back to core principles that I believe are true and see if my disliking of something violates those principles."

eh, i know what you are getting at, but you go too far for my tastes.

there are times when i think "man, i don't really like this, but i think it's for the best."

you are willing to say "i think this is a bad idea, but it fits my ideology, so i'll go with it."

there is a difference.

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"so yeah, thats why you are on the list."

i didn't put him on MY list. in fact, i specifically said that we stand for basically opposite things, and i'm almost never going to agree with him. i will, however, usually read what he writes. it's usually well thought out and presented. i just don't like it.

11/3/2005 11:46:24 PM