discuss.

11/13/2005 9:24:21 PM

Could you quote or link the law?

11/13/2005 9:25:08 PM

http://www.ncchild.org/images/stories/ATV_bill_summary.pdf

11/13/2005 9:28:39 PM

i'm currently looking for more details. the N&O states that you cannot ride under the influence of alchol also. I do like to ride at nite, no helmet cause i don't own one, w/ passenger, drinking a few beers. sooo..... we'll see how my county sheriffs reacts to this.

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2005/Bills/Senate/HTML/S189v8.html
^ the statute

[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 9:34 PM. Reason : found more details]

11/13/2005 9:30:55 PM

shit, what is really different than the usual?

[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 9:48 PM. Reason : smoke smoke]

11/13/2005 9:47:48 PM

must have eye protection, Must have helmet, not alcohol, no passenger, no "dangerous or reckless manner..."

This is not an on-road safety belt law this is an off-road on my own property toy and the big GOV is telling me what to do. I know I shouldn't have voted for that democrat governor.

[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 9:59 PM. Reason : /]

11/13/2005 9:58:55 PM

Honestly, I don't own a 4wheeler, but if I did I'd be pissed.


It is my toy and I should be able to do whatever the fuck I want with it so long as it doesn't harm anyone else.

11/13/2005 10:05:11 PM

i like it. i hope the idiots at uhwarrie will actualy abide. i see way to many young kids with no helmets out there. and old people too with no helmet. this is a great law imo.

11/13/2005 10:05:41 PM

it is a ok law for public places

shouldnt apply to land you own

im all for darwinistic laws

11/13/2005 10:07:25 PM

i dont care what ppl do with their atv's if they want to wear no helmet, i dont care have fun getting ur head stapled down the road.

11/13/2005 10:09:31 PM

yeah, good law. I hate seeing kids riding around with no helmet on. it really sucks when you have to go on a call where some kid broke his neck and died cos he wasn't wearing a helmet.

11/13/2005 10:34:28 PM

Quote :

"must have eye protection, Must have helmet, not alcohol, no passenger, no "dangerous or reckless manner...""

i always wore a helmet and eye protection when i had a 4-wheeler, and i never drank before i rode it. i'd OCCASSIONALLY have a passenger on the back for brief periods, and i constantly rode it in a dangerous or reckless manner.

i think this is fine for public land, but not on your own property.


realistically, if i get another ATV and end up back in NC, i won't pay this law any attention whatsoever, and i doubt anybody ever would say anything to me about it on private land (although 95% of the time, i'd be wearing helmet and goggles anyway)

11/14/2005 12:21:22 AM

i plan on ignoring this law.
i will not drink and play with atvs though

11/14/2005 12:23:03 AM

the good thing is at least there is an exception for farmers & hunters. many people either ride an ATV everyday for business or ride every once in a while IE once a month or less. This law doesn't really effect them much. Its those of us like me that ride almost daily for pleasure because I happen to live where I can ride on about a thousand acres.

I LOVE the law stating 15 and younger must ride a 90cc or less. There are way to many middle/young high schoolers riding big bore ATVs and there lightweight bodies cannot even handle them. Its liking playing w/ fire or a loaded gun, someone will probably get hurt. The parents are the ones that need to responsible for these children!!!!!!

I'm no pro expert type driver but I know what my quad can handle.

11/14/2005 7:21:35 AM

The only problem i have with this law is the fact it can be enforced on private property. Public lands, OK. So a 12 year old can drive a car in a field, or a motorcycle for that manner, but not an ATV (under 90cc w/ a helmet)?

carelessly? So wheelies, doughnuts, etc are out for my atv? I don't think so. I really don't see a crown vic following me where I ride!

I will abide by the law in any public area, but on my own property, I'll do whatever the fuck I feel like on my atv

11/14/2005 7:53:47 AM

Even though I agree with the points that the law makes, I still don't think they should be forcing them on adults.

I could see making kids wear helmets, even on private property. I also think the 90cc rule at age 15 is a little pointless. Most 90cc quads are tiny. I was almost 6' tall by the time I hit 15 and it would be laughable if I got on a little mini-Raptor and tried to ride it.

11/14/2005 8:01:21 AM

its a great law. im sick of seeing kids and drunk jackasses at uwharrie tearing the place up, getting hurt, getting in the way, etc.

one drunk dipshit tried to make his own goaround while talking shit about jeeps and ended up rolling down a huge hill with his atv crushing him a few times.

another tried to pass us where the trail didnt allow, hit a tree, fell off, and his atv kept going and hit another tree.

and i dont think ive ever seen a child on one wearing a helmet like they should.

too many rednecks asking for trouble and putting everyone else in danger while doing it.

and i would take "farmland" to include private property. i dont think the "democrat governor" is trying to do anyone in.

11/14/2005 8:15:49 AM

^I 100% argee grapey when one is on an ATV trail were they paid to be there or on State/US property these rules are great! And should be strictly enforced.
On the other hand when someone has an area to ride for pleasure and that is on his property or his cousin's or his friend's or whatever these laws should be suspended. Many times me and my wife double up and her friend and her date double up and we quietly pudder around the land that I ride on. This is not dangerous, in my opinion, but the law states we could be fined up to 200$ for riding doubles not to mention w/out helmet and eye protection.
I'm not against safety, I'm against government shoving rule after rule down my throught. This is a personal descion for those of us over 18 on how safe we wanna ride. I ain't gonna lie, I drive my quad hard and bang the hell out of it. Thats where the fun is for me. I even wear a paintball mask when riding half the time. Not only is it scary for young kids it keeps my face protected. I've never worn a helmet and not planning to start but you bet if I had a kid I'd make them wear one till the day they turned 18.

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11/14/2005 8:27:39 AM

good thing our land is considered farm land...

11/14/2005 8:29:08 AM

awesome, more laws to break

11/14/2005 8:38:25 AM

^^notice the statute states while engaged in farming operations. Its really gonna be up to the local deputies and sherriffs to decide if riding around in the swamp on a sunday afternoon w/ your girlfriend is "farming operations"

11/14/2005 9:36:17 AM

As long as your are not in view from the road, they can't really catch you.

11/14/2005 10:01:27 AM

it's complete BS for this to be enforced on private land. i'm all for it on public land though. i find it hard to believe a citation for something like this on private land is really going to hold up in rural courthouses. i assume probable cause, etc. still applies for leo's to enter your property and give any citations...

11/14/2005 11:05:10 AM

i was checkin my property for looters

11/14/2005 3:51:50 PM

im sure on ur own property and all that this law wont be enforced

i mean how can it be?

and i think its a good law, with all the deaths lately

11/14/2005 4:03:23 PM

This may completely change the dynamic of Busco Beach, but more than likely it won't until the cops show up and ruin everyone's fun. I'm not too concerned, because my ride has 2 wheels, and the law only applies to 3 and 4 wheelers.

11/14/2005 4:04:05 PM

^^the same way they can enforce murder, drugs, making illegal alcohol, or whatever on your own property.

11/14/2005 4:31:32 PM

Quote :

"I know I shouldn't have voted for that democrat governor."

pwned!

11/15/2005 1:34:34 AM

Is there any enforcement of hunting and trapping laws on private property? I really don't know, but I would bet that if there is then the wildlife officers who enforce that stuff would be the primary ones enforcing these laws.

11/15/2005 7:10:16 AM

yeah really, in johnston county wildlife officers are all over private land and will not hesitate to check guns, coolers, and even freezers inside your house w/out cause.

11/15/2005 7:17:36 AM

^^yes... fawkers will just appear out of nowhere from the woods, i've been checked a couple of times fly fishing on private land in the mountains. i don't hunt, but if they do the same appearing act on hunters i'm surprised you don't hear about them getting shot.

11/15/2005 11:13:44 AM

I was thinking I had heard that somewhere. I'll bet that's how they will enforce it aside from the occasional neighbor's complaint to the sheriff. Those game wardens deal with a lot more than game law.

I don't hunt, but if I did I'd be pretty pissed if I was staking out a spot and a game warden came walking through. I guess you better stay on their good side because they could pretty much ruin a whole hunting season with very little effort.

11/15/2005 11:29:09 AM

At least you can hear 'em comin' now that the ground is covered in fallen leaves. I hunt pretty much nothing but private land, and never been stopped/questioned. Of course, I try to draw as little attention as possible by using the bow. I had some hippie fucker scare 8 deer away b/c he wanted to take a "nature walk" on saturday at PRIME TIME. The bastard walked within 8 feet of the tree my stand was in. He never saw me, and I was so pissed all I kept thinking was, "He's in 'top-pin' range."

The wildlife officers tend to stick mostly to the public gamelands, they can nail plenty of idiots out there. But they are sneaky sumbitches though. They're badasses too, most people don't realize, they've got more power and jurstiction than police, sherriffs, and state troopers. They can do everything from give you a parking ticket to seizing your truck!

[Edited on November 15, 2005 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

11/15/2005 11:36:14 AM

yeah, if they want to, they can sieze your guns, truck, 4-wheeler, and revoke your hunting license for life for minor violations. plus they don't have the strict engagement rules that police have, since everyone they encounter will have a gun. they also dont need reasonabnle cause to search your vehicle or property.

11/15/2005 11:55:24 AM

yep, they're badasses. Most that I've ever met are pretty cool and laid back, not power-trippin'. I imagine if you try to BS them they'll get irritated, you know they've heard every story and excuse you could try to dream up.

11/15/2005 11:57:17 AM

nature walk. Ha ha.

11/15/2005 12:08:28 PM

While on the wildlife officer subject, I have a question. A guy who I worked with this summer said that if someone were to hit a deer with their car and kill the deer, they couldn't haul it home without having a hunting license or the game warden could cite/fine me. Any truth to that? I figure if I ever hit one with my truck, I'd take it with me but he says I can't do that since I don't have a hunting license.

11/15/2005 12:11:23 PM

^seems i remember hearing the same thing somewhere. dunno if it's true or not though.

11/15/2005 12:38:47 PM

I got screwed by a wildlife officer 2 years ago. I'm not a hunter, and have never been hunting in my life. I was riding with some friends from high school in rural, johnston county. It was about 2 in the morning and we were coming back from dropping some girl off

Well they see a dear in the road, so they turn the truck and watch it run into the woods. They think its a fun thing to do on the way home, so twice more they sweep some fields with headlights.

Next thing I know, there's a helicopter hovering over us and a tahoe with lights blazing coming up from behind. We pull over, 2 wildlife officers come up make us get out of the truck and put our hands on the hood, spread eagle. We go through a pat down, they tear the truck apart in a search.

There's an unloaded small rifle under the rear seat, they grab it and say "you boys are in trouble now.

So they keep us there for 2 hours while they decided what to charge us with. Finally, they write us tickets for "taking a deer by means of artificial light after sunset blah blah blah" which is a class 2 misdemeanor w/ up tp $1000, com service, or jail time.

The whole time they're threatening with us "we can bring you in and take your truck just as quick as you please" "hope you boys have bail money" etc
We were just as cooperative as can be

we get to court later on and the officer is a total dick and refuses to drop the charge to what it should be, spotlighting (class 3 misdemeanor, like a speeding ticket). Luckily, on of the guys with us knew tom lock, the DA. He took the officer in his office, and when he came out the attitude had changed. We only had court costs and my friends kept there hunting licenses.

Oh, and on the way out the officer told us we were damn lucky and that we wouldn't get off if he ever saw us again.

my question, why does the game warden have fucking helicopters?!?? Are deer and raccoons really worth the money to fly a chopper ever night?

11/15/2005 1:06:16 PM

^Where in Johnston County was this? I've never had any run ins with wildlife officers on or around my farm. Did has a sheriff's deputy stop by one afternoon while we were playing airsoft and the look on his face was priceless.

11/15/2005 1:52:33 PM

u werent justspotlighting(well you might have been but how would he know), having a gun in the truck is illegal, and he charged you with the right thing. If you didnt have a gun it would just be spotlighting, and you cant spotlight at 2am anyways os thats illegal. And yes they ride around in planes and helicopters all the time looking for people doing things like this. I know many people who have been busted for this shit. A guy at home got busted yesterday for shootin bear over bait, and they took his truck and guns and took him to jail. Game wardens dont fuck around. They are sneaky bastards. My friend got charged with the same thing several years ago, and about 15 game wardens had spent the night in the woods waiting for him to catch him in the act. They are fucking crazy.

As for hitting a deer with your car, i wouldnt eat it anyways, supposedly it bruises the meat up or something and its no good.

11/15/2005 1:58:03 PM

I know how the law is written, beleive me I looked it up. How they can actually convict someone in this way I have no idea, just having a weapon is circumstantial evidence. You can't convict someone of murder for a weapon, you can't charge someone for speeding b/c they have a fast car. My problem is with the law itself and the attitude of the game warden, as well as the super power and jurisdiction they enjoy.

btw this was south of four oaks in the bentonville area

[Edited on November 15, 2005 at 3:09 PM. Reason : you can't spotlight in JC at all btw, no matter the time. of course i had no idea such strange regulations existed. i do understand negligence isn't an excuse and I'm cool with that]

[Edited on November 15, 2005 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2005 3:08:48 PM

Just to clear things up... took this from ncwildlife.org.



[Edited on November 15, 2005 at 3:33 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2005 3:32:39 PM

Is that law ghey or what?

11/15/2005 5:55:07 PM