http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316

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"Is the Pentagon spying on Americans? Secret database obtained by NBC News tracks ‘suspicious’ domestic groups By Lisa Myers, Douglas Pasternak, Rich Gardella and the NBC Investigative Unit Updated: 7:51 p.m. ET Dec. 13, 2005 WASHINGTON - A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military. A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a “threat” and one of more than 1,500 “suspicious incidents” across the country over a recent 10-month period. [...] The Defense Department document is the first inside look at how the U.S. military has stepped up intelligence collection inside this country since 9/11, which now includes the monitoring of peaceful anti-war and counter-military recruitment groups."

What's next? Keeping files on people who "oppose the government" and object to our corrupt political leaders?

And I assume some will tell us that the military spying on Americans for their views--like torture, lying to start wars, destroying our freedoms, and turning the country into a surveillance state--is "good".

12/14/2005 8:27:06 AM

i think you already posted this.

12/14/2005 8:30:31 AM

they got one on your dumb ass im sure, you best retreat to your uni-bomber shack in the mountains

12/14/2005 8:31:13 AM

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"i think you already posted this"

No, I haven't posted anything on this story. The article is dated from yesterday.

12/14/2005 8:39:14 AM

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"you best retreat to your uni-bomber shack in the mountains"

12/14/2005 8:44:39 AM

What is so crazy about this? I don't get it.

12/14/2005 9:35:57 AM

they really are watching you
but don't worry
big brother is good
living in a Stalin-esque, Nazi-style surveillance state is good

the government needs to keep files on people who oppose the war in Iraq
those people are "threats"
they're "aiding the enemy" and "supporting the terrorists"
they're "anti-American"
they might even be "terrorists"

they're probably "anti-government extremists" who hate our government
opposition to the government will not be tolerated
the government is good
if you oppose the government, you are with the terrorists
you are either with us or against us


[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 10:15 AM. Reason : `]

12/14/2005 9:56:29 AM

Yeah, you suck at sarcasm, little buddy.

12/14/2005 10:04:39 AM

you suck at life, troll

12/14/2005 10:12:42 AM

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"you best retreat to your uni-bomber shack in the mountains""

12/14/2005 10:31:22 AM

Republican18, do you think that just because you support the war and Bush, that you'll be "ok", even though all the evidence shows a fascist police state is being set up here in the U.S.? You don't think they'll come after gun owners and people who support our constitutional rights?

12/14/2005 10:40:54 AM

they've got 3 years

and the clock is a tickin'

12/14/2005 10:48:15 AM

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"all the evidence shows a fascist police state is being set up here in the U.S"

Then why can't you prove it?

[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 11:11 AM. Reason : .]

12/14/2005 11:10:38 AM

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"Then why can't you prove it?"

just give it up, troll. the 'ol repeated denial thing isn't working

12/14/2005 11:12:17 AM

^ you can't prove shit, and you're telling somebody else to give it up...

that's rich.

12/14/2005 11:12:40 AM

^

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"just give it up, troll. the 'ol repeated denial thing isn't working"

12/14/2005 11:13:34 AM

Seriously, why have you yet to prove a single thing? Your cute little attempts to brush me off and slander me aren't working.

12/14/2005 11:13:37 AM

What really motivates you two to cyber-stalk me and troll on my threads? Admit it.

12/14/2005 11:14:46 AM

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"Republican18, do you think that just because you support the war and Bush, that you'll be "ok", even though all the evidence shows a fascist police state is being set up here in the U.S.? You don't think they'll come after gun owners and people who support our constitutional rights?"

actually i dont support bush and im not for the war, so shut up

12/14/2005 11:16:20 AM

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"so shut up"

Oooooh....touchy subject

12/14/2005 11:17:47 AM

what motivates me? you shutting the hell up until you can prove ANYTHING.

you have never given any concrete evidence of anything you have spewed on this website. you have been asked multiple times to provide such, or at least a convincing argument, and each and everytime you ignore that and move on to the next bit of bat shit crazy drivel your twisted mind can fixate on.

you're a fucking joke.

12/14/2005 11:17:52 AM

^^

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"Seriously, why have you yet to prove a single thing? Your cute little attempts to brush me off and slander me aren't working."

12/14/2005 11:18:08 AM

^

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"What really motivates you...to cyber-stalk me and troll on my threads? Admit it."

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"you're a fucking joke"

no, you and your troll buddy mr joshua are the jokes

[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 11:21 AM. Reason : `]

12/14/2005 11:18:43 AM

If you start providing proof with your wild theories, I'll stop asking you for it. Its pretty simple.

12/14/2005 11:21:09 AM

give it up troll

12/14/2005 11:21:34 AM

^^^ oooh i know you are but what am i!!!!!!111

mr orignality. 3rd grade mentality.

^^ yes give up founded accusations that have evidence behind them!

[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 11:22 AM. Reason : *]

12/14/2005 11:21:56 AM

dismissal and slander?

those are tools of the jew world order!

12/14/2005 11:22:29 AM

you do know that your trolling keeps this thread at the top where everyone can see how the military is spying on anti-war groups? (which is really what you don't want people to know about)

[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 11:24 AM. Reason : `]

12/14/2005 11:23:46 AM

you think anybody is reading that drivel? or if they are they care?

if it's one of your threads, no one takes it seriously.

12/14/2005 11:24:56 AM

^^

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

12/14/2005 11:26:37 AM

^^riiiiiiight, troll

i'll just take your word for it

[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 11:27 AM. Reason : `]

12/14/2005 11:27:05 AM

you know it's true

i mean you HAVE to know it's true

AT LEAST 90% of the posters in SB regard you as a joke and never take any thread you start seriously.

12/14/2005 11:28:51 AM

CHB right on again:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7678.shtml

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"Feds ramp up spying on journalists, other Americans By DOUG THOMPSON Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue Nov 21, 2005, 05:12 Using powers granted under the USA Patriot Act, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has stepped up surveillance of journalists in an effort to plug leaks from a scandal-weary Bush administration. Wiretaps, intercepts of electronic communications and daily monitoring of reporters’ activities are part of a program authorized by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Justice Department sources say. Increased surveillance of journalists is only part of a stepped-up federal efforts to monitor day-to-day activities of Americans. Last week, the Federal Communications Commission set an 18-month deadline for broadband Internet Service Providers to make their systems “wiretap-ready.” “This is like saying, `Everybody has to keep their doors unlocked because the FBI might need to get in,’” says Mark Rasch, a former Justice Department attorney who handled computer crime cases and now senior vice president and chief security counsel of Solutionary Inc., a computer security consulting company in Omaha. “The harm of everybody keeping their doors unlocked all the time is much greater than the benefit.”"

12/14/2005 11:29:26 AM

IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE

POST BULLSHIT

GET PEOPLE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SAID BULLSHIT

RINSE, REPEAT

you forgot your hat:



[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 11:34 AM. Reason : *]

12/14/2005 11:33:45 AM

just because salisburybot posted this you're all gonna look the other way?

the source is NBC not ParanoiaWeb.Net

this fucking SUCKS

why is it okay for the government to spy on peaceful AMERICANS who are merely exercising their right to free speech???

12/14/2005 12:22:17 PM

^
Finally a non-troll who has some sense.

12/14/2005 12:25:25 PM

12/14/2005 12:30:00 PM

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"What is so crazy about this? I don't get it."

There are federal laws blocking spying on United States citizens, for starters.

12/14/2005 12:59:03 PM

^^

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"you do know that your trolling keeps this thread at the top where everyone can see how the military is spying on anti-war groups? (which is really what you don't want people to know about)"

12/14/2005 1:01:46 PM

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"why is it okay for the government to spy on peaceful AMERICANS who are merely exercising their right to free speech???"

Its their job to keep tabs on everyone and assess any possible threat. They can't just wait fro something to fester unnoticed and then emerge fully organized and with us having no practical info on them. Its the same reason why lots of people have a "file" with the FBI. Like my father, he was in Special Forces and later went through Communications in the Army. He had a high level secuirty clearance and at one point as the head key code guy for nuke launching in Germany. If he started getting involved in anti-war activist groups the FBI would be interested because of his knowledge and expereince. They wouldn't be tapping our home phones or anything but if his name started emerging in more and more radical groups it would probably raise some eyebrows. Or think of environmental and animal rights activists. Most are pretty harmless left-wingers who are simply overly sensitive to their cause. Now, there are some militant groups out there but the government never knows what groups might start working with militant ones and themselves become "terrorists". Most money to terrorist groups is funneled through benign organizations anyways. I just don't see anything sinister going on, simply logical. This country will never reach police state because the people have too much power.

12/14/2005 4:04:25 PM

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"I just don't see anything sinister going on, simply logical. This country will never reach police state because the people have too much power."

Right. The people have all the power. That's why 85-90% of them oppose illegal immigration and nothing is done about it. Or why ~65%+ oppose the war in Iraq, and Bush just brushes off legitimate concerns and says "stay the course." The politicians are controlled and implement the agenda of the ruling elite. The beliefs of the common people are no concern. The major thing that does stand in the way of a total police state is the Second Amdendment and private firearm ownership. I look for the government to come after firearms before a full-blown police state is implemented.

All the things that are happening show that a police state is currently being implemented. The government can already search anybody without a warrant under the Patriot Act. They can hold people indefinitely without trial (including U.S. citizens; eg, Padilla). They are admittedly spying on people who oppose the war, and creating secret files/databases on them. The Congress has passed what is, in effect, a national ID card. Surveillance cameras are being put up everywhere in major cities.

Then you have the Bush Administration (and the phony conservatives in the media) alleging that critics of the war are "irresponsible" and suggesting they are "aiding the terrorists." It's not hard to see where this may be going. According to Bush himself, "you are either with us (ie, the government), or with the terrorists." Someone could be snatched off the street and imprisoned without a trial, and all the government would need to do is claim the person is a "terrorist." To boot, the person could be tortured (even to death), and even if that becomes public knowledge the government would defend that as well saying they needed to torture them "to protect us from an attack."

Then you have instances of disturbing government activity, such as what occured after Katrina in and around New Orleans and at the 2004 Republican National Convention in NYC. After Katrina, the FEDS declaired martial law and confiscated the firearms of citizens, and at the RNC, scores of people were arrested (without legitimate cause) and held in "detention center" camps in NYC. Those were "tests" for the coming martial law police state. They also act to condition people to accept martial law. Then you have Bush openly talking about martial law and soldiers on the streets following any "bird flu" outbreak.

Oh, and remember, all this happens WHILE THE BORDER STAYS WIDE OPEN.

[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 4:44 PM. Reason : `]

12/14/2005 4:30:23 PM

12/14/2005 4:34:25 PM

bttt

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