would be the solution. bring these other countries out of zone defense and they cant stop our lebrons. if they stay in zone jj will outscore them.

1/11/2006 10:05:04 PM

Hahahaha. Right. Why would they need JJ when they could get Ray Allen or Michael Redd. Guys who can shoot just as well but also can do other things.

Steve Kerr, John Paxon, BJ Armstrong, Craig Hodges, and Dan Majerle had no business being on the Olympic Team, and neither does JJ.

1/11/2006 10:08:24 PM

ray allan declined last year didnt he?

back then we were winning. the nba game is also nothing like the international game. college game is more similar. jj is alot better shooter than all those guys you listed (based on college) and he can score almost any way

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 10:10 PM. Reason : watch him play]

1/11/2006 10:09:18 PM

Since our players are just a bunch of niggers and wont take time out to play for their country, JJ could be a good fit. JJ might even be better against international competition....which is more about playing great basketball than being a flashy incredible athlete. His slowness wont be as much of an issue is what I'm saying i guess.


But get that shit out of here socrates....you've started too many pro-duke threads for this message board.

1/11/2006 10:16:16 PM

Your not even factually correct ... even based on college numbers

Ray Allen, over his career, shot 49% from the field and 43.8% from 3.

JJ, over his career, has shot 43.5% from the field and 40.8% from 3.

1/11/2006 10:24:51 PM

JJ FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

1/11/2006 10:28:10 PM

Quote :

"jj is alot better shooter than all those guys you listed (based on college)"

^^

Get JJ's dick out of your mouth and do some research before you make statements based on your blind love for JJ.

JJ is a great college basketball player, Redd and Allen shoot just as well as JJ plus do other things. These guys have been playing in the NBA for years not and JJ has had nothing but college competition for the past 4 years. Get real.

1/11/2006 10:31:35 PM

i'd like to see redeyes without the dookie buttlove and where he can't be the asshole "leader"

1/11/2006 10:35:01 PM

duke >>> unc

1/11/2006 10:36:47 PM

haha redeyes

1/11/2006 10:38:47 PM

this year maybe, historically no

1/11/2006 10:42:21 PM

"Maybe?"

You're a fucking idiot.

1/11/2006 11:15:05 PM

yeah that's really what i was trying to imply. what a fucking douchebag. don't you have a vick cock to slurp?

1/11/2006 11:18:27 PM

Hmm Ill bet you didn't get this idea from Mike Patrick and Dick Vitale.

Oh and how did Laettner work on the Dream Team?

1/11/2006 11:19:37 PM

SOCRATES, STOP BEING A DUMBASS.

1/11/2006 11:37:15 PM

this has nothing to do with duke. %s dont mean everything as jj is shooting against man to man defense and rarely gets open looks. the main way redick would help team usa is a decoy and hopefully he would bring the other teams into a man defense which would be an automatic win for us. red is better scorer but doesnt have the range jj has. dont give me that craig hodges dan majerle john paxon bs. if you guys think those guys are just as good of shooters as jj its because of your ncstate bias. the olympic team is gonna be full of guys who can do other things (this is the reason we lost last year, 10 lebrons on a team is not gonna win. specialized players is the way to go.(and besides, jjs proven he can do more than just shoot

im not sure if jj could be effective against a pro man defender but against a zone we know he can stand out there and shoot a deep three.

and dick vitale knows more about basketball than everybody on here.

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 11:42 PM. Reason : he can score other ways anyway]

1/11/2006 11:40:58 PM

Paxson and Hodges played in college when there wasn't a three point line, so here are their NBA stats (with better competition):

Paxson: FG - 50% 3pt - 36%

Hodges: FG - 46% 3pt - 40%

Steve Kerr

College: FG - 55% 3pt - 57%
NBA: FG - 48% 3pt - 45%

BJ Armstrong

College: FG - 49% 3pt - 44%
NBA: FG - 47% 3pt - 43%

Dan Majerle

College: FG - 54% 3pt - 43%
NBA: FG - 43% 3pt - 36%



So Paxson's and Majerle's 3 pt% wren't as good in the NBA, and that's it. "Percentages aren't everything" blah blah blah. Shut the fuck up, quick jacking JJ off. JJ would be lucky to the have the career BJ Armstrong had in the NBA. He's a great college player, but I'm not going beyond that. JJ on the Olympic team. Please.

1/11/2006 11:57:19 PM

your problem starts in using the nba to measure the olympic team. if that was the case we would never lose. and we certainly wouldnt lose to carlos arroyo (unless of course you think carlos arroyo is better than any 5 nba players combined)

1/12/2006 12:00:12 AM

^That post makes no sense at all.

1/12/2006 12:01:06 AM

Ahhh, the anti-Duke bias.

1/12/2006 12:02:56 AM

throw Morrison from Gonzaga on there while you're at it

1/12/2006 12:05:12 AM

^^^because its srcsm using his logic that we should get guys on the olympic team based on thier nba carreer

[Edited on January 12, 2006 at 12:06 AM. Reason : ^^^]

1/12/2006 12:05:41 AM

Guards on the 2004 Olympic team:

AI
Lebron
Marbury
Wade

Now, look at this in your right mind and tell me that JJ would be better than any of these guys.

The only one I'd even move off this list for '08 would be Marbury, and it damn sure wouldn't be to put Redick on there.

[Edited on January 12, 2006 at 12:22 AM. Reason : I'd seriously consider Chauncey Billups for it, though]

1/12/2006 12:07:03 AM

^But, but, but, but...he can score in almost any way....

1/12/2006 12:25:26 AM

No one is gonna stand around and wait for JJ to run three circles around the defense so he can get open.

1/12/2006 12:36:07 AM

Every analyst agrees that Redick is going to be productive at the next level.

Excuse me if I don't take TWW's opinion over that of Magic Johnson's.

1/12/2006 12:39:28 AM

Quote :

"because its srcsm using his logic that we should get guys on the olympic team based on thier nba carreer"

Hey dumbass...did you see the college stats??

And Michael Redd and Ray Allen were pretty fucking bad ass in college too (although Redd didn't start shooting the 3 well until the NBA).

The Olympic team just needs a coach that won't put up with their bullshit and make them play like a team (which I will have to say, K will probably get them to do). They don't need JJ Reddick.

1/12/2006 12:40:53 AM

Quote :

"Excuse me if I don't take TWW's opinion over that of Magic Johnson's."

Michael Jordan thought Kwame Brown was going to be the shit. So that logic doesn't work for me.

1/12/2006 12:41:51 AM

I don't see Jordan getting paid to be an analyst.

1/12/2006 12:47:33 AM

90% of tww sports talk posts are re-hashings of stuff aired on espn in the prior few days

1/12/2006 12:48:06 AM

davot-thats retarded. do you just honestly think argentina is just flat out better than usa at basketball or what? most of the teams we lose to have a few nba players so nba sucess alone is absolutly not the way to build the team that team lost. we dont need a bunch of the best slashers and the best scorers we need everything. and we definatly need a great long range shooter to get these teams out of these tight zones so our guys like ai lebron can score. it was sad watching those guys struggle against 2-3 zones. having someone like jj on the court could open things up for everybody else against a zone team. of course those guys are better but the goal shouldnt be to get the best guys it should be to get the best group of guys to form a team with different roles.

jj shooting from deep out by himself all day is like a layup drill and thats what would be agaisnt a zone defense. once somebody comes out to guard that bam. the zone has been comprimised and our "lerbons" can dominate

im not saying jj is better than any of the guys on the team im saying jj would be a better addition to the team than a guy that does pretty much the same thing as another/other guys on the team.

[Edited on January 12, 2006 at 12:51 AM. Reason : d]

1/12/2006 12:50:14 AM

the last time they put a duke dood on the dream team...we won the gold

and that dood didnt do shit in the nba

i think this case will be reversed

1/12/2006 12:52:13 AM

Quote :

"the last time they put a duke dood on the dream team...we won the gold and that dood didnt do shit in the nba"

Ummm, wrong. Laettner actually had a respectable NBA career.

1/12/2006 12:55:23 AM

get AI back on the team...anybody who watched any games last year knows he was one of the few, if not the only player to play to his potential

1/12/2006 12:57:46 AM

AI's gonna be on the team, don't worry.

1/12/2006 12:59:07 AM

put tyler hansbrough on the team...he's sure to foul out some of the international players if you have acc refs

1/12/2006 1:00:37 AM

Quote :

"of course those guys are better but the goal shouldnt be to get the best guys it should be to get the best group of guys to form a team with different roles. jj shooting from deep out by himself all day is like a layup drill and thats what would be agaisnt a zone defense. once somebody comes out to guard that bam. the zone has been comprimised and our "lerbons" can dominate im not saying jj is better than any of the guys on the team im saying jj would be a better addition to the team than a guy that does pretty much the same thing as another/other guys on the team."

You didn't answer the question.

What can JJ do that any of those guys can't do better?

AI can hit NBA-range 3s with ease, and is light-years better at creating his own shot. So why would you pick JJ over AI?

Lebron is shooting 33% from NBA 3-point range, and is much better at creating his own shot. So why would you pick JJ over Lebron?

Marbury's dropped to around 24% this year (his career average is more like 33%), but he's getting old anyway. Wade is having a poor 3pt shooting year (8.8%) as well. But why replace them with Redick when you could have Vince Carter (40%) or Chauncey Billups (43% this season)? They can do much, much more on the court than Redick can.

The issue isn't that we didn't have the right distribution of talent on that '04 team, it was the way it was coached.

So I repeat, what can JJ do that any of those guys can't do better?

[Edited on January 12, 2006 at 8:37 AM. Reason : VV]

1/12/2006 8:23:33 AM

Quote :

"Ahhh, the anti-Duke bias."

It doesn't have anything to do with that in my case. I would be OK with JJ on the Olympic Team. I just can't stand when people misrepresent facts to make their point. Redick was NOT a better shooter in college then some of the people on that list.. plain and simple. People can argue that 'he has tougher shots to take' and shit like that all day long, but I'd rather go by statistics. It's not like these other guys like Ray Allen didn't have people gunning for them all game, every game.

Personally, I don't feel he'll be a great NBA player but he'll definitely have a role on a good team and can be very important IF he isn't option #1 or 2 obviously. Personally, socrates is just damn annoying because he sucks off Duke like 6 times a day.

1/12/2006 8:27:35 AM

Quote :

"But why replace them with Redick when you could have Steve Nash (41%) or Chauncey Billups (43% this season)?"

Nash is Canadian, fyi

1/12/2006 8:35:09 AM

Oh shit, that's right. Mental lapse.

Fact remains, there are loads of 3-point shooting guards in the NBA that I'd much rather have on the team.

1/12/2006 8:36:01 AM

Quote :

"Hahahaha. Right. Why would they need JJ when they could get Ray Allen or Michael Redd. Guys who can shoot just as well but also can do other things. Steve Kerr, John Paxon, BJ Armstrong, Craig Hodges, and Dan Majerle had no business being on the Olympic Team, and neither does JJ."

Those guys you state was how the '04 Olympic Team, take the best 12 players that are willing and put them together and have talent just lead them to victory. The rest of the world are too good for that to work. Best 12 players would be a worse team than 12 players that work well together.

If Krzyzewski makes the USA team an All-Star team, the USA will get destroyed again in the World Champs this summer. Redick would make a good reserve #2 guard. And who else would a team want at the end of a game getting fouled?

1/12/2006 9:16:02 AM

rubbish

1/12/2006 9:49:27 AM

The problem with the '04 team was the coaching. As much as I like Larry Brown, he was a horrible choice. He refuses to put young players on the court, and doesn't coach a system that can be picked up quickly.

And on top of that, he has an ego and clashes with players who have their own ego issues (AI, Marbury, ...)

[Edited on January 12, 2006 at 9:52 AM. Reason : ]

1/12/2006 9:51:21 AM

Quote :

"If Krzyzewski makes the USA team an All-Star team, the USA will get destroyed again in the World Champs this summer."

Last year was a wake-up call to all the NBA players that they can't mess around and just go out there and play individual ball like they use to and kill everyone. Coach K won't let them do it again either. Even if he doesn't make an All-Star team, that doesn't mean JJ has to be on it.

Quote :

"Redick would make a good reserve #2 guard."

So would about 10 other NBA players.

Quote :

"And who else would a team want at the end of a game getting fouled?"

Make the 20 other NBA players who are shooting above JJ's 86.5% clip this year from line this year.

1/12/2006 9:54:48 AM

chauncey would be a better choice but none of the guys you listed are better at shooting beyond nba range (outside how far a zone can come pick up). thats all im saying. ray allan declined steve nash is canadian. it doesnt have to be jj but find someone that can shoot beyond the reaches of a zone and you will set off a chain reaction that will refresh our offense.(maybe kyle korver?) last time we shot horribly from 3 and couldnt penetrate through the zone. i dont know of anyone else that can shoot from as deep as jj (im talking beyond 3 pt) as deep.

you guys act like coach k is a basketball moses and they will automatically follow him. hes never even dealt with nba players before. and hes not gonna be able to change the fact that our guys arent nearly as good offensively against a zone defense.

1/12/2006 11:33:47 AM

Altho i dont agree with Socrates, i can see his point. He has a valid point in stating that the US team needed a sharp shooter in addition to all those freakishly athletic players with really similar attributes. Looking at the 3pt FG% isnt necessarily the right comparison. Pure shooters like Reddick (or European style players like Kukoc etc) are not athletic enuff and have problems creating their own shots (and hence the not so impressive FG%), BUT you know that if they are open they are going to make their shots with the highest percentage, thus at least upgrading the US team from a 1 dimensional offense into a double threat team. It is completely true that Reddick is no where near AI, Lebron, or anyone else of the starters, and its absurd to even compare JJ with those guys. But all those guys suffer from making the wide open shots with consistency, none of them are pure shooters.

1/12/2006 11:52:18 AM

Let's not forget that the NBA line is futher out than the college line. When a guy in the NBA hits a three that is a foot back from their line, that's about two feet from the college line. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the "range" of NBA 3-pt shooters.

1/12/2006 1:53:24 PM

The international 3 point line is closer to college than the NBA.

1/12/2006 6:37:40 PM

^That's not the point. I was just saying that some NBA players have just as much range as JJ has.

1/12/2006 6:50:26 PM

Quote :

"Personally, socrates is just damn annoying because he sucks off Duke like 6 times a day."

/thread

1/12/2006 6:51:00 PM