its bound to happen. i wouldnt be surprised if it happend THIS WEEK lol. why do state players always leave early in both sports?

1/18/2006 10:57:53 PM

we've had 1 leave early in basketball in the last lke 15 years kkthx

ps

ibtl

1/18/2006 10:58:50 PM

He won't leave this year. Not *quite* developed enough.

But next year, beware

1/18/2006 10:59:05 PM

JJ REDDICK TO ENTER THE DRAFT

WHY DOES DUKE JUST LAUNCH 3's ALL DAY?

1/18/2006 10:59:29 PM

shut up, you won tonight

1/18/2006 10:59:46 PM

FIRE SOCRATES

1/18/2006 10:59:53 PM

Quote :

"we've had 1 leave early in basketball in the last lke 15 years"

well two if you count Damien Wilkins' attempt. Too bad he tried to come back to the team and Herb shut the door on him. I still support Herb's decision on that one.

[Edited on January 18, 2006 at 11:02 PM. Reason : .]

1/18/2006 11:01:28 PM

no hes not. I know his high school coaches best friend. They still talk on a weekly basis and Ced wants a degree from what I hear.

1/18/2006 11:01:55 PM

o i do too

fuck damien wilkens and gerald wilkens

[Edited on January 18, 2006 at 11:02 PM. Reason : ^ AHA]

1/18/2006 11:02:08 PM

i didnt win tonight. anytime my two favorite teams play each other i lose. this was pretty close to the best case scenario for me though (duke winning with state looking impressive)

1/18/2006 11:04:33 PM

Another brilliant thread by socrates


Of course this time he's probably right...the whole fucking country saw this game...I felt like it was advertised more than other Duke games...they thought we were serious...bahaha no

1/18/2006 11:19:32 PM

great

the last thing we need is our star center going overseas to fight those camel jockeys

thanks bush, thanks a lot

1/18/2006 11:20:16 PM

nope, he meant to say that ced should put a towell in the crack in his door to keep out the draft tonight.

1/18/2006 11:21:38 PM

^^^that game wasnt serious?

1/18/2006 11:28:32 PM

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"He won't leave this year. Not *quite* developed enough. But next year, beware "

What the hell

That has to be one of the oddest comments concerning someone's draft potential in the NBA

1/19/2006 12:27:54 AM

Watch. I promise he won't go. He's not developed enough to contend with those other centers in the NBA. He also is just not starting to build up any "stock" for a higher draft pick.

1/19/2006 12:28:53 AM

What does how developed a player is have to do with whether or not they could be drafted high in the NBA?

1/19/2006 12:30:39 AM

Are you serious? Players that aren't developed don't (typically) get drafted high in the NBA.

I mean, I know next to nothing about the NBA but that is as common sense as it gets.

1/19/2006 12:33:44 AM

sincerely, marvin williams. sebastian telefair. any high school player

1/19/2006 12:35:36 AM

He showed Sheldon how to dominate in the paint.

Sheldon was thinking he's some shit when he said who's simmons? and gets 3 blocks from him

1/19/2006 12:44:51 AM

Ced going pro right now would be almost equivalent to Josh Powell attempting to go pro.

A couple more years and then he could easily be a 1st round draft pick. Leave now and beg for someone to take you on their team.

1/19/2006 12:48:37 AM

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"Ced going pro right now would be almost equivalent to Josh Powell attempting to go pro."

No, Ced definitely has shown more than Powell (his was basically just the end run surge).

1/19/2006 1:07:14 AM

I dunno. Ced has had about 8 major games he's looked like he has lots of potential. Powell had a couple games, then the ACC tourney... really not too much difference.

I do think Ced has more ability to be smarter in the paint with some coaching then Josh did... he was too hard headed and arrogant, where Ced seems like a reasonable guy.

Speaking of which.. I hardly ever hear Ced talking on TV that much.. can anyone who knows him comment on what kinda guy he is? He seems like a friendly guy.

1/19/2006 1:18:33 AM

Quote :

"Are you serious? Players that aren't developed don't (typically) get drafted high in the NBA. I mean, I know next to nothing about the NBA but that is as common sense as it gets."

It's obvious you don't know much. Seriously, I don't mean to be an ass, but half the recent draft picks have been players who aren't developed.

Let's look at the top 15 from the past three (random number) drafts:

1 Milwaukee Andrew Bogut - Utah

2 Atlanta Marvin Williams - North Carolina

3 Utah Deron Williams - Illinois

4 New Orleans Chris Paul - Wake Forest

5 Charlotte Raymond Felton - North Carolina

6 Portland Martell Webster - Seattle, WA

7 Toronto Charlie Villanueva - Connecticut

8 New York Channing Frye - Arizona

9 Golden State Ike Diogu - Arizona State

10 LA Lakers Andrew Bynum - Metuchen, NJ

11 Orlando Fran Vazquez - Malaga

12 LA Clippers Yaroslov Korolev - Moscow

13 Charlotte Sean May - North Carolina

14 Minnesota Rashad McCants - North Carolina

15 New Jersey Antoine Wright - Texas A&M

Of those, I'd say Marvin Williams, Deron Williams, Martell Webster, Charlie Villanueva, Andrew Bynum, Fran Vazquez, Korolev, and Wright are all undeveloped.

2004:

1. ORL Dwight Howard, Southwest Christian Academy (GA)
2. CHA Emeka Okafor, Connecticut
3. CHI Ben Gordon, Connecticut
4. LAC Shaun Livingston, Peoria Central HS (IL)
5. WAS Devin Harris, Wisconsin
6. ATL Josh Childress, Stanford
7. CHI Luol Deng, Duke
8. TOR Rafael Araujo, Brigham Young
9. PHI Andre Iguodala, Arizona
10. CLE Luke Jackson, Oregon
11. GSW Andris Biedrins, Latvia
12. SEA Robert Swift, Bakersfield HS (CA)
13. POR Sebastian Telfair, Lincoln HS (NY)
14. UTA Kris Humphries, Minnesota
15. BOS Al Jefferson, Prentiss HS (MS)

Of those, I'd say Howard, Livingston, Deng, Igoudala, Biedrins, Swift, Telfair, and Jefferson were undeveloped (and that's being nice, could include a couple more).

2003:

1. CLE LeBron James, Saint Vincent-Saint Mary's HS (OH)
2. DET Darko Milicic, Serbia & Montenegro
3. DEN Carmelo Anthony, Syracuse
4. TOR Chris Bosh, Georgia Tech
5. MIA Dwyane Wade, Marquette
6. LAC Chris Kaman, Central Michigan
7. CHI Kirk Hinrich, Kansas
8. MIL T.J. Ford, Texas
9. NYK Mike Sweetney, Georgetown
10. WAS Jarvis Hayes, Georgia
11. GSW Mickael Pietrus, France
12. SEA Nick Collison, Kansas
13. MEM Marcus Banks, Nevada-Las Vegas
14. SEA Luke Ridnour, Oregon
15. ORL Reece Gaines, Louisville

Of those, I'd say Darko, Bosh, Pietrus, and Gaines (again, could include some others, but thats ok) were undeveloped.



That's 20 of 45 picks that are undeveloped (in my opinion, obviously). The NBA drafts exclusively on potential these days, thanks in large part to Kevin Garnett, who many NBA scouts and GM's never gave a chance because of his "rawness" and lack of weight coming out of high school. Now he's arguably the best player in the NBA. The GM's don't want to miss the next "big thing," so they take chances on kids that could turn out to be dynamite down the line.

1/19/2006 1:46:29 AM

dont forget about Kobe ^

1/19/2006 1:59:01 AM

^Tracy McGrady didn't exactly explode onto NBA stardom either.

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 6:19 AM. Reason : Jermaine O'Neal]

1/19/2006 6:18:28 AM

^^or poland

1/19/2006 6:35:55 AM

Quote :

"Speaking of which.. I hardly ever hear Ced talking on TV that much.. can anyone who knows him comment on what kinda guy he is? He seems like a friendly guy. "

I asked my friend who's asst. athletic trainer on the team the same question last night. He said that he is a really nice, level-headed guy. but that kinda works against him since he doesnt get angry and mean during the games. Supposedly they are working on getting him more aggressive when he's playing. I think he looked pretty mean and aggressive last night, so they must be doing something right.

1/19/2006 12:38:54 PM

He's gonna need to be mean and aggressive on saturday. Eric Williams is a far better center than sheldon williams, imo.

1/19/2006 12:40:11 PM

^ are you serious?

ive seen eric williams do nothing but hit wide open dunks.

his post moves arent better than sheldons, neither is his ability to draw a foul, nor does he block shots at the rate shewil does.

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 12:42 PM. Reason : *]

1/19/2006 12:42:28 PM

shelden williams is light-years ahead of eric williams. shelden is one of the best players in college basketball right now.

1/19/2006 12:43:58 PM

E. Williams gets by on sheer bulk...I would not be surprised to see Ced completely dominate him.

However, you can't entirely discount the size factor, because it does work a lot of the time.

1/19/2006 12:45:17 PM

I disagree.

Eric Williams just has not been utilized like he should be until last night. Also, Eric matches up against Ced a lot better than SheWill. Mostly because his eyes point in the same direction.

Don't get me wrong, SheWill is certainly one of the best, but I just think that Eric is highly underestimated. Although a lot of that is Skip not demanding that they feed him the ball in the post. But it looked like that adjustment was made last night.

1/19/2006 12:52:25 PM

Simmons is an intelligent cat...just because we had another player of similar physical size (Powell) who got some bad advice doesnt mean any good player we ever have is gonna leave early

1/19/2006 12:55:18 PM

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"He said that he is a really nice, level-headed guy. but that kinda works against him since he doesnt get angry and mean during the games. Supposedly they are working on getting him more aggressive when he's playing."

I don't know if you saw the play last night close to the end of the game where Cedric was close to the 3 point line and Sheldon was in his face obviously reaching in and fouling him then Ced gets called for the foul when Sheldon gets elbowed in the face while reaching in. The next play down the court Ced comes out of nowhere and makes one of the most ridiculous blocks I've ever seen. In that play he showed a little anger from the previous play, atleast in my opinion. I think a level headed basketball player is one of the key ingredients to being a successful one but adding a little anger in the equation close to the end of the game will never hurt anyone if its used correctly. I'd much rather our guys go into the end of a big game with anger than like a bunch of scared bitches. This is one thing that I think Herb really lacks in his coachhing is getting our players emotionally rallied up for an end of a game push.

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 1:37 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2006 1:33:25 PM

playing angry will get fouls called on you and playing like bitches will lead to careless play and turnovers...we need to play the 2nd half like we finished out the 1st half and its money...composed...in between angry and scared

1/19/2006 4:25:42 PM

They held their focus well, it just so happened that Duke had a SIX POINT posession in the final minutes of the game. It was basically over then, no matter how well they played because duke is not gone have silly turn overs that would keep us in the game.

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 5:56 PM. Reason : ,]

1/19/2006 5:53:12 PM

probably not but we went on a couple 8-0 or 8-2 runs earlier in the game

1/19/2006 6:10:57 PM