For the love of God...please stay in school for 4 years

1/19/2006 10:32:41 AM

Gavin, yes as long as that school isn't NC State

1/19/2006 10:33:59 AM

yeah I'm still on the fence about Gavin

nigga is a "DOH!" machine

1/19/2006 10:34:47 AM

yeah you must've missed it last night when Gavin got basically 8 straight fastbreak points for us...perhaps you didnt realize that after Simmons, Gavin was our high scorer last night...no, you probably didnt realize it because it didnt rhyme with "Ire Ferb"

1/19/2006 10:38:07 AM

^ And you'd be wrong on ALL counts.

That was ONE GAME. Gavin, in the vast majority of situations, is a turnover machine that really does very little for our team.

By your logic, Brackmen, Bennerman, Engin, and Tony are just horrible because they had lousy (scoring wise) games last night.

I was impressed w/ most of Gavin's work last night. But he still turned the ball over and looks like a schizo when he's dribbling.

1/19/2006 10:40:56 AM

^^no...i agree with him...

gavin had 4 fast break layups...that doesn't mean that he was the second best player on the court for state. he makes a lot of unforced errors and forces a lot of bad shots...anyone on either team could have made the layups that gavin did last night. when he slows down and plays within the offense he is a great help to the team, but i don't think he's really done that yet this year...

he is very athletic though (see fast break layups)...

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 10:42 AM. Reason : ^beat me to it]

1/19/2006 10:41:33 AM

He definitely tries to do too much right now.

He'll eventually learn to be Gavin and not try to be Hodge.

1/19/2006 10:43:30 AM

i fucking hate state fans...you stupid unrealistic bitchass faggots...you expect titles every year well fuck you bitches why dont you transfer to unc you faggots

im basically like "gosh, we have some good sophomores, i hope they stay" and yall are like "what? they fucking suck, they cant do shit, we suck ass"

1/19/2006 10:50:40 AM

don't listen to john kruk, he's got jj redick pictures on his photo gallery, his opinion doens't even count

1/19/2006 10:52:29 AM

^^ haha

the reason there's a conflict here AT ALL is that trying to group Brackman and Simmons with Grant is like trying to group Jordan and Bird with Antonio McDyess.


[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 10:56 AM. Reason : o]

1/19/2006 10:55:32 AM

^^^making soph. mistakes doesn't mean he sucks...he's learning to play within the system, and getting better as he's learning more...

just look at the difference between ced last year and this year. it's more difficult for an athletic slasher like gavin to adapt to our offense than a big man who spends most of his time as the pivot of the offense and not running off screens the whole game...

gavin is getting better with every game...i didn't mean it like he sucks...

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 10:56 AM. Reason : /]

1/19/2006 10:56:25 AM

well SouthPaW...you say you're on the fence...then you say most of the time he is a turnover machine and he does little for our team...but when he has a good game against the #1 team in the country, thats not representative of his actual playmaking...only knock i had on gavin last night was that three he took...definitely released on the way down...but if you dont want him to stay 4 years, i think you're retarded

now bethel...im on the fence about him...he can hit open 3's but he seems to have his head up his ass part of the time...like that inbounds turnover in the last minute or so of the game...he sees the ball going away, and instead of running towards the ball, he just gets a sad look on his face...step that shit up bethel, you're supposed to be the little general

1/19/2006 10:56:48 AM

I never said I didn't want him to stay 4 years, I just said I was on the fence about how great he'll be during his time here.

And yes, last night was NOT representative of the vast majority of the time he's on the court.

1/19/2006 10:59:48 AM

also wtf was up with that one time where Sheldon fouled Simmons and they called the foul on the small white scrub

1/19/2006 11:01:30 AM

^ Yeah that was a bad call...one of the few, surprisingly.

1/19/2006 11:05:58 AM

Quote :

"nigga is a "DOH!" machine"

Ehe. He played pretty well last night, though. GG, Gavin.

1/19/2006 11:19:28 AM

brackman and bennerman had good games southpaw.

1/19/2006 11:22:38 AM

^^^one of the few surprisingly? are you serious? did you watch the game? the no-call shelden travel on the floor...the charges on state at one end that were blocking fouls on state at the other end? the redick double dribble? the backcourt violation early in the game? one of the few? wtf did you watch last night?

1/19/2006 11:24:10 AM

^ wowwwwwwwwwwww you are a true State fan

I'm all about blaming the refs, but you have GOT to be kidding me if you think they impeded our chances at winning last night. The calling was VERY fair considering it was 1) in Cameron and 2) against NC State.

I mean Ced NEVER, EVER, got into foul trouble while Sheldon did for a bit (and we went on an 8-0 run during that time he sat). The refs just GAVE us a charge call against Dockery that was just wtf-like.

They even gave us 10 extra seconds to win the game. If you are blaming the refs you really are an idiot.

1/19/2006 11:28:21 AM

^or just a typical twwer


THIS GAME WAS EVENLY OFFICIATED
THE UNC GAME WAS EVENLY OFFICIATED
THE IOWA GAME WAS EVENLY OFFICIATED

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 11:36 AM. Reason : dont blame refs blame herb, tony or illian]

1/19/2006 11:31:16 AM

1. that 10 seconds didnt mean shit
2. Ced didnt get into foul trouble because he didnt commit fouls
3. i guess you can rationalize those bad calls since you expect it against Duke...well I'm sorry if I dont wanna suck K's cock like you

4. and i'm not blaming the refs...i was more impressed by how we were tied with 5 minutes left despite the refs...but for you to say there were only a few bad calls is more evidence that you must not have watched the game

^btw I guess you didnt see Hansbrough go to the foul line 80 times in that game...he's a freshman in case you didnt know

1/19/2006 11:34:35 AM

AHAHA

I GOT YO BACK TWISTA.

GAVIN IS SHOWING SIGNS. PLUS, ITS STILL RELATIVELY EARLY IN THE SEASON. WE ARE ~1/4 OF THE WAY THROUGH OUR CONFERENCE SCHEDULE.

WE ARE PUTTING THE PIECES TOGETHER AT THE RIGHT TIME.

1/19/2006 11:44:02 AM

Hopefully Brackman will keep on playing basketball is what you should say. If he leaves, he'll be goin to the major leagues playin baseball.

1/19/2006 11:47:49 AM

1) Ced did a great job of keeping himself out of foul trouble. You could tell he's made definite progress on deciding when to go after someone in the paint and when to let it slide because the window's closed. That's an experience thing, and he's getting better as the season goes by.

2) Overall, the officiating did seem even (I'd say they were being extra careful because Clougherty was in the stands). However...

3) Redick seems to have some kind of halo around him that prevents him from ever being called for anything.

1/19/2006 11:59:09 AM

even though we lost...you could see the "ACC Big Man Torch" being passed in that game

1/19/2006 12:49:29 PM

^ i dunno about that

1/19/2006 12:50:56 PM

^have you not ever watched Cedric Simmons play basketball or something?

1/19/2006 12:56:22 PM

i've been saying it since the beginning of the season, he's the difference this season. and if he sticks around, he'll continue to do big things in the acc.

1/19/2006 12:58:12 PM

yes I have. He is a beast and he is only getting better.

But I also know that one career game against duke does not give him that torch.

Can you honestly say at this point you think Ced is better than Shelden Williams?

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 12:59 PM. Reason : *]

1/19/2006 12:58:34 PM

"3) Redick seems to have some kind of halo around him that prevents him from ever being called for anything."

They missed one charge call on him last night where he charged and the refs called a block. But honestly he never really does anything that would warrant a foul; he doesn't drive all the way to the basket where he could get called for a foul (usually pulls up). On D, he never erally takes any charges and he is usually guarding a guard (obviously) so he isn't going to foul a jump shooter.

If anything, they give him too many calls when he goes into the lane loses the ball and throws his arms up and they give him a call

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 1:01 PM. Reason : and, u]

1/19/2006 12:59:44 PM

^he also just runs into defenders and gets blocking fouls called on them

and dont forget that the only way he can get separation from a more athletic defender (aside from rolling through screens) is to push off

Quote :

"Can you honestly say at this point you think Ced is better than Shelden Williams?"

no...although he outplayed him head to head...shelden is still better...but do you honestly not think Ced should be the best center in the conference next year (ie, when Shelden is gone)? i'd still rather have jordan in 98-99 but he still passed the torch to iverson, kobe, etc

1/19/2006 1:04:41 PM

Yea seriously.

How the fuck are you going to clear Gavin Grant of being a dumbass when he has one game, among several pretty big screw ups, that shines?

The kid is a walking turnover and its going to take a consistent season for me to change my mind.

1/19/2006 1:05:07 PM

it would take back to back national titles for you to change your closed mind about anything'

what games has grant costed us this year? yeah thats what i thought

1/19/2006 1:05:52 PM

Quote :

"They even gave us 10 extra seconds to win the game."

Or 10 seconds to foul and get further behind.

1/19/2006 1:07:27 PM

"Hey Coach Sendek...we feel bad about those fouls we didnt call consistently on both ends of the court or the travelling and backcourt and double dribble calls we gave Duke...so here's 10 seconds!"

1/19/2006 1:14:06 PM

^^ haha exactly what i was thinking.

Quote :

"no...although he outplayed him head to head...shelden is still better...but do you honestly not think Ced should be the best center in the conference next year (ie, when Shelden is gone)? i'd still rather have jordan in 98-99 but he still passed the torch to iverson, kobe, etc"

oh absolutely if he continues to improve at even half the rate he is now he will be at the top next year.

Untill Shelden graduates though, I dont see a torch being passed.

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 1:17 PM. Reason : *]

1/19/2006 1:16:47 PM

Quote :

"what games has grant costed us this year? yeah thats what i thought"

When you have 5 other people do well you tend not to lose games. Is this like, a point or something?

1/19/2006 1:26:45 PM

I still get nervous whenever Grant has the ball, honestly, but he's a work in progress. He's very athletic and has made strides since last year. I think he'll continue to improve and by next year, when he'll really be needed, he'll be fine...

1/19/2006 1:27:46 PM

grant clears the defender EVERY time he dribbles. when he drives to the basket i swear its in slow motion. I am surprised (used to be shocked) whenever he actually makes the basket. I am also a nervous wreck when he starts dribbling outside the perimiter.

1/19/2006 1:30:30 PM

Grant's screw up to awesomeness ratio is still really really bad, he just played well last night cause he's a good slasher and Duke is horrible at defending that.

Ced though, it was obvious leading up to this game that he has improved by leaps and bounds. I was worried going into this game as to how he would stack up with Sheldon and I was pleasantly surprised. Saying he's better than Sheldon, not 100% sure on just yet but he's way better than anybody expected I think.

1/19/2006 1:48:50 PM

saw 2 of the 3 of them today on campus

played a couple games of pool with gavin at college inn over the summer

he helped me with my jumper, i helped him on the pool table, taught him everything he knows

1/19/2006 2:03:08 PM

Tree, how many of the jump shots that Gavin took last night did he make? What was his free throw percentage? Still believing that "better shooter" nonsense?

1/19/2006 2:06:34 PM

^you still having hallucinations that julius hodge was a good jump shooter?

1/19/2006 4:27:50 PM

I never said he was good. I said you were retarded to say that Gavin was much better.

1/19/2006 9:36:02 PM

Hodge couldnt shoot a jump shot to save his life. He and Gavin probably have about the same jump shooting percentage. Hodge just knew how to get that shit to the hole.

1/19/2006 9:42:18 PM

^^nobody said Gavin was "much better" you dumbass...quit twisting around my words...go live in your dream fantasy world where Hodge could shoot a 12 foot jumper consistently and knock down his free throws in his senior year

1/20/2006 9:44:57 AM

1/20/2006 10:10:33 AM

anybody wanna rethink their thoughts about Gavin?

3/11/2006 1:25:54 PM

Did he have a good game or something?

I have not been able to watch the last three games

3/11/2006 1:47:32 PM

Gavin scored 20+ points each of the past two games...looked pretty good when taking it to the basket and shot the ball well also

3/11/2006 1:48:40 PM