Ok, I know that Citgo gets its oil from Venezuela, but what countries or regions specifically supply oil to the other oil companies? Is it more complicated than certain territories suplying oil to certain companies? Inquiring minds want to know.

2/15/2006 2:55:01 PM

its all made of dinosaurs right?

2/15/2006 2:55:35 PM

Hey, I like this question. I had no idea Citgo got it's oil from Venezuela. Hm. Any ideas on BP, Exxon, etc?

2/15/2006 5:25:04 PM

I'd hate for any of you to

****** gasp ******

use google

2/15/2006 5:28:48 PM

Jesus christ man

Nobody is going to write your paper for you

and that sure as shit isn't a basic question.

2/15/2006 5:47:29 PM

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"Nobody is going to write your paper for you"

hahah, i was thinking the same thing

2/15/2006 5:50:12 PM

fuck you.

theres no paper involved.

and this is something im sure many people would like to know, but never think to ask.

2/15/2006 6:09:14 PM

people on the wolf web are DIIIIIIICKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSS

2/15/2006 6:15:07 PM

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"and that sure as shit isn't a basic question."

Exactly.

You gotta admit, why would anyone know just as generally knowledge where the individual gasoline suppliers get their oil supply from?

2/15/2006 6:28:45 PM

i bet Queti would

2/15/2006 7:09:16 PM

to be honest, it really depends on the refinery NOT the company. most companies (inc. citgo) get their crude from literally around the globe, depending on:

sour versus sweet. if your refinery is only equipped for sweet crude, then you are limited. the gulf of mexico is an excellent source of sweet - i.e. Delta crude. if you can run sour (this is why valero makes so much money - most of their refineries are equipped for sour), you can pruchase venezuelan, and most middle eastern crudes.

what cut they are targeting. heavy crudes produce a greater percentage of heavy components. and you have to be equipped for that - most refineries that run heavy crudes have 2 cokers and several sulfur plants. lighter crudes produce more gasoline range - my refinery for ex. makes A LOT of gasoline. so we typically run lighter crudes.

pricing and drilling. most major refiners have their own wells. they typically like for their own refineries to run their own oil. that way the money stays within the company.

availability. if a refinery has a complex pipeline network, chances are they aren't going to run crude you have to ship by tanker. pipeline is the cheapest mode of transportation. so if there is crude that meets what you want quality and component wise that you can get on a pipeline, you will. middle eastern and venez. crudes have to be tankered here.

partnerships. some oil companies have joint venture sites where they run a supplier's crude. just making up an example - say exxon had 2 sites where they partnered with saudi aramco, they'd probably have an agreement that the equipment (meaning the refinery) is solely exxon's to run but they have to run X thousand barrels per day of saudi crude.

so there really isn't one answer to your question. or at least not a simple exxon runs X country's crude and shell runs Y's. my site runs a lot of gulf of mexico crude but we also have run several varieties from africa. a site up the road runs a lot of saudi. and then a few miles from that, a refinery runs venez. and arab heavy. next door to us, they run a lot of african and arabic. oh and then a site i know of in texas, runs a lot of west texas intermediate along with some african.

2/17/2006 12:57:29 PM

i feel smart now for reading that.

Is it possible to understand where the gas I use on daily basis is coming from? I mean, it would go back the the refinery and then wherever they get it from, I understand that. But could i figure out which refinery my local Citgo gets their gas from without having to call and ask around?

2/17/2006 1:16:42 PM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

CITGO is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the national oil company of Venezuela, so naturally most of its crude oil comes from there. However, in February 2002 CITGO also imported from Middle Eastern countries in the following quantities:

Iraq: 1,342,000 barrels
Kuwait: 437,000 barrels

2/17/2006 1:19:07 PM

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"Is it possible to understand where the gas I use on daily basis is coming from? I mean, it would go back the the refinery and then wherever they get it from, I understand that. But could i figure out which refinery my local Citgo gets their gas from without having to call and ask around?"

not without some serious research and that would assume people you would call would actually know.

1. typically, any refinery runs at least 2 different types of crude. and that can be any variety - i.e. say my site runs a 5 crude system (which it can). #1 is delta sweet, #2 is west tx intermed. #3 is a nigerian sweet, #4 is another african sweet and #5 is a more sour gulf of mexico crude. [i'm making this up - i can't actually tell you what my site runs and in what ratios]. so that presents a problem. your gas is made out of a mixture of those.

2. you don't know where your gas came from. typically shell stations have shell manuf. gas in them. same for exxon, bp, etc. BUT not always. even your majors can and sometimes do buy gas from other majors. it of course must meet the company's quality specs and then will be additized according to the selling company's additive brand but still. you can buy exxon manufactured gas at a bp station. now racetrack and what not is always a crap shoot. they don't make their own so they buy everything (and btw it is usually at a slightly lower quality spec than what the majors sell at their own stations. meets govt requirements of course but it usually is slightly lower. for example, majors ALWAYS "give away" octane - meaning if you buy 87, likely it really is 88 - but if you are buying it at a generic station, it will be 87 but won't have as much extra cushion as a major).

3. even if there is a refinery 5 miles down the road from your station, it doesn't mean that is where it was made. gas is shipped via pipeline and tanker. tankers can discharge into pipelines and even vice versa. the gas that you buy in nc is typically from gulf coast refineries but not always. it is possible for gas to be made at one end of the country and end up on the other.

4. you would have to find people who would be willing to go through all the paperwork. not to mention they would have to have access. and i am not sure of the legality/company ethics (meaning i could but wouldn't think of doing this for you. i like my job) a gas station owner would definitely not have this kind of info available to him. oh, and what someone tells you today could not be true tomorrow.

also, if you would want this info to somehow boycott middle eastern or other oil it would be pretty silly if you consider that ALL majors use crude from all over the world. so what if you bought from a station that just happened to have gas from gulf coast crude. the company as a whole still is balancing between all the crudes in its inventory. so the money you give them still will go to buying and refining it all.

if you want to boycott middle eastern oil, don't buy gas at all. that's about the only way you can actually accomplish this type of boycott.

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 2:33 PM. Reason : e]

2/17/2006 2:30:29 PM

actually, that wouldn't work at all.

our entire society floats on a sea of oil, not just our cars. your food travels an average of 1500 miles, pesticides and fertilizers are made from oil, plastics... basically we're extremely dependent on it. the only way to really boycott middle eastern oil, then, is to leave civilization and live in the woods

2/17/2006 3:34:21 PM

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[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

2/17/2006 3:37:21 PM

it's dated, but the most current I could find. Notice canada.



http://www.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2003/fcvt_fotw297.shtml

i used yahoo!

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 3:41 PM. Reason : not oil company specific...sry]

2/17/2006 3:39:56 PM

As far as I know BP doesn't use any arab oil.

2/17/2006 3:48:25 PM

from the gas pump

durrrrrrrr

2/17/2006 3:51:46 PM

The U.S. gets the majority of its oil from Canada.

2/17/2006 4:36:56 PM

thank you, Daily Show!

2/17/2006 4:40:13 PM

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"actually, that wouldn't work at all. our entire society floats on a sea of oil, not just our cars. your food travels an average of 1500 miles, pesticides and fertilizers are made from oil, plastics... basically we're extremely dependent on it. the only way to really boycott middle eastern oil, then, is to leave civilization and live in the woods"

quite right.

2/18/2006 9:27:47 AM

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"the only way to really boycott middle eastern oil, then, is to leave civilization and live in the woods"

alternative fuel sources?

fuel cells?

ANYTHING?!?

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 9:35 AM. Reason : oh noes]

2/18/2006 9:28:50 AM

DNL, you still need petrol products to make plastics and several other staples of American society.

Plus, YOU may use alternative fuels, but that doesn't mean the companies that produce everything you purchase are using them.

We'll be using alternative fuels soon enough, as petroleum prices rise and alternative fuels become economically viable. Its pretty simple.

2/18/2006 10:25:30 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/02/18/nigeria.oil.reut/index.html

well, take nigerian forcados (we run this at my site) off your list of supply for a bit.

2/18/2006 10:58:29 AM

until then we have the economic question, which has the greatest return on our investment:

wage wars with several oil rich nations hopeing that they'll warm to export more oil with us

or go straight to making a decent boidiesel or whatnot infastructure.

2/18/2006 11:01:19 AM

nah, just bomb the shit out of them and take over their oil completely. make them subservient territories of sorts.

2/18/2006 11:03:33 AM

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"alternative fuel sources? fuel cells? ANYTHING?!?"

dude, did you not read ANY of what else he said?

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 12:31 PM. Reason : you missed his entire point in that alternative fuels/fuel cells/anything would not solve the prob.]

2/18/2006 12:30:28 PM

BP is British Petroleum = No Arab oil.
Hess is not Arab either, but I forgot where they get it from.
Exxon is Arab
Texaco too I believe.

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"You gotta admit, why would anyone know just as generally knowledge where the individual gasoline suppliers get their oil supply from?"

What is there to admit in a question? But, there is a thing called the news that I watched one particular night about 3 years ago that I learned that from.

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 12:54 PM. Reason : .]

2/18/2006 12:53:57 PM

^hahahaha you are a fucking idiot.

BP gets their shit from all over the world just like everyone else.

THERE IS NO WAY TO AVOID USING Venezuelan/Arab OIL.

If you wear anything PLASTIC, buy ANYTHING, use ANY GASOLINE or DIESEL, you are contributing to terrorism ahahahahaha.

2/18/2006 1:50:02 PM

when you ride alone
you ride with a durka durka

2/18/2006 2:14:17 PM

sigh. bethalieigh,

again http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

as noen says,every oil company gets their oil from different places. and to answer someone's earlier question, yes you could use alternative fuels, but the whole economy would have to stop using oil in order for you to not be using it indirectly. your food gets to you with it, your plastics are made from it, the pesticides and fertilizers that are used to grow your food contain it...

2/18/2006 3:46:23 PM

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"^hahahaha you are a fucking idiot."

i lol every time noen calls someone out.

except that one time he called me out

2/18/2006 4:10:24 PM

Ok then, my understanding or the coverage of this topic of the news was wrong. BP uses A LOT LESS ARAB OIL THAN MOST OTHER GAS COMPANIES IN THE US. I understand that is all comes from different companies, and that at some point its gotta have some Arab in it-so I misinterpreted the news coverage.

But I never said anything about supporting the durka durka's or "terrorism", or avoiding the use of Arab/Venezuelan oil. I don't care where it comes from- we have to have it, use a shit ton of it, and don't have any in the US to use.

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 4:11 PM. Reason : b]

2/18/2006 4:10:50 PM

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"BP uses A LOT LESS ARAB OIL THAN MOST OTHER GAS COMPANIES IN THE US. "

Why does this matter? What makes getting oil from any other country better? Way to be fed into the liberal propaganda machine there.

2/18/2006 4:14:36 PM

You fucking idiot, where did I say it was any better? I'd love to know...

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 4:20 PM. Reason : n]

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 4:24 PM. Reason : forgot]

2/18/2006 4:19:38 PM

you came back and edited that, just to call him an idiot?

interesting.

btw, BP uses just as much arab oil as everyone else.

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 4:28 PM. Reason : *]

2/18/2006 4:28:15 PM

better was misspelled and I'd was missing an " ' " were my main intentions


But Citgo uses 1,342,000 barrels
Phillips 717,000 barrels
BP 470,000 barrels
according to the website DirtyGreek provided.

2/18/2006 4:34:03 PM

my point is SO FUCKING WHAT?

Do you think oil from ANY source is any more "morally clean" than that from the middle east?

It's like the damn diamond industry, ALL OIL is spattered with bloodshed, shady deals and retarded shit.

2/18/2006 11:25:49 PM

I think that when pinkandblack made this thread, he was just asking-not for terrorism or Arab nations reasons- but just to know. That is why I said what I did. I never said a thing about thinking anything was "morally clean". And I said before that "I don't care where it comes from-we have to have it".

2/18/2006 11:52:33 PM

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