Wichita State 14-4 23-7
Missouri State 12-6 20-7
Creighton 12 6 19-8
Southern Illinois 12 6 19-10
Northern Iowa 11 7 22-8
Bradley 11 7 18-9


Let's take a look at their "big" non-conf. games:

Wichita State
L @ Illinois 54-55
W Providence 82-74
W @ USF 75-67
L @ Mich. State 64-83
L George Mason 70-67

Ok, their best "win" was losing @ Illinois by 1, early in the year.

Missouri State
L @ Arkansas by 4

Awesome...

Creighton
W @ George Mason by 20
L @ DePaul by 15
L @ UT Chat by 5
W Nebraska by 26
W Xavier by 2
W Fresno State by 5

Still, what's so good about that?

Southern Illinois
L @ St. Louis by 14
W @ Wyoming by 4
L La Tech by 3
(also got beat by Monmouth and Alaska-Anchorage)

Northern Iowa
L @ Iowa St. by 7
W Iowa by 4
W @ LSU by 4
W Bucknell by 4

This is a team with two-three legit wins.

Bradley
W DePaul by 15
W @ Southern Miss by 10
L @ Loyola Chicago 14
L @ Butler by 10

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I'm still not seein why the MVC is so deserving.

3/1/2006 9:57:03 PM

they arent

3/1/2006 9:58:17 PM

Northern Iowa is the only one worthy of an at-large. Wow if they get 5 and the ACC gets 4 some shit will hit the fan.

3/1/2006 9:58:31 PM

acc gets 5 at least

3/1/2006 9:58:58 PM

I just don't understand how Lunardi and others can strongly say that the MVC deserves 5-6 and the ACC deserves 4, maybe 5.

3/1/2006 10:00:06 PM

nobody does

3/1/2006 10:01:01 PM

I never realized Brennan had so much pull

3/1/2006 10:02:30 PM

Quote :

"Northern Iowa is the only one worthy of an at-large. "

I completely agree. Northern Iowa is not bad.

3/1/2006 10:03:39 PM

Yeah Northern Iowa has 3 good out of conference wins. LSU won the SEC regular season, Iowa is ranked, and Bucknell is a quality team.

3/1/2006 10:07:34 PM

N. Iowa is more deserving of a bid than quite a few major-conference teams. LSU and Iowa are both very, very good.

I can see two justifiable at-large bids here...UNI, Creighton, or Wichita State (assuming one of them wins the conference tourney).

3/1/2006 10:31:42 PM

hopefully none of those teams win their conf tourney, so that conference will get even crazier

3/1/2006 10:33:07 PM

Missouri St is the best team in this conference IMO. Bradley is also very good and very hot right now, with big wins over So Ill and No. Iowa. It would be terrible if these two teams weren't in the field of 65. At least 5 of those 6 are going though. Don't forget Bradley beat N. Iowa twice.

3/1/2006 10:55:03 PM

With FSU's win over Dook, they are most likely in. They beat Miami this weekend, then they are 9-7 in conference and are the 5th ACC team.

Honestly do you actually think the tourny committee is going to sit there and look through each of these team's resumes and pass up on teams like Indiana, FSU, Texas AM, etc. I really doubt it. I bet the MVC only gets 3.

3/1/2006 11:09:49 PM

The reason they are getting so much pub. is b/c of their RPI's (from ESPN.com Daily RPI)

20. Missouri State
25. Wichita State
29. Northern Iowa
31. Creighton
41. Southern Illinois
45. Bradley

As a reference, NC State has an RPI of 34. Teams with an RPI lower than 40 usually get in the tournament, so that would give the MVC 4 or 5 right there.

3/2/2006 7:59:22 AM

The point of this thread is that the RPIs are ARTIFICIALLY high.

The conference office controls all scheduling for the conference in order to get the RPI up. Like I said, out of the six teams here, I think three might legitimately deserve to get bids.

Do you really think that any of these teams (UNI aside) could beat FSU, Miami, UVA, VT...or hell, even Wake?

If the 2nd/3rd best conference only gets four bids, no mid-major deserves six bids.

3/2/2006 9:34:36 AM

^ Wichita State could knock off those teams. I've seen them play regularly because I live in Kansas and they are a solid team. I do agree though that the other MVC teams, except maybe NIU, could not consistently beat teams like Miami, FSU, VT, Virginia, etc. They all are capable of a big upset, but talent wise they are not there yet.

As for the RPI stuff. Yeah they have nice team RPIs, but the conference sits at #6 overall, just ahead of the Pac-10, while the ACC is at #3 (really should be #2 because ACC > Big 10). If the RPI is so important, then the ACC should get more teams than the MVC due to the overall conference ranking IMO.



[Edited on March 2, 2006 at 9:55 AM. Reason : grammar ]

3/2/2006 9:53:44 AM

I like your input and I don't see them much except for those damn bracketbuster games on ESPN, but there is nothing anyone could say to make me believe that Wich. State, Mizzou State, etc would beat FSU, Maryland, Miami, Clemson, VT, UVA, GT, and Wake. I may have stretched it with the last few, but I don't even see them beating our worst teams too many times.

3/2/2006 10:45:43 AM

Their RPI is high because of the one win someone had over Iowa and LSU. They beat nobody outside of the league except for a couple here and there. Their RPI builds on those games and then builds on beating up on each other inside the conference.

3/2/2006 10:47:35 AM

Let's take a look at it this way:

Wake is the worst team in the ACC. And yet, they beat Wisconsin and Charlotte (maybe 2nd best in the A10).

Something tells me Wake could overpower most of the teams in the MVC.

So I still don't believe any of the mid-majors deserve six bids...

3/2/2006 11:06:25 AM

Mission Valley

3/2/2006 11:59:34 AM

^^Good post. I forgot about Wake beating the Badgers.

3/2/2006 12:19:25 PM

Quote :

"I still don't believe any of the mid-majors deserve six bids"

3/2/2006 12:37:08 PM

Even the valley is overrated.

I mean how great can a valley be in the middle of the Great Pains?

Ok, I looked it up.

There is no Missouri Valley.

Even their name is a fraud.

[Edited on March 2, 2006 at 1:12 PM. Reason : ]

3/2/2006 1:08:33 PM