Unbelievable. They couldn't wait till the end of the season to say shit like this? Man, if I were Herb, I would leave. Fuck this. Support the damn team no matter what. In the offseason, talk your shit. If there is still ball to be played, then shut the fuck up.

Quote :

"Herb, Herb, Herb. How did it come to this? How did our relationship come to this? We remember the good times: the ACC Coach of the Year, high rankings at the beginning of recent seasons and watching your recruits go off to careers in the NBA. Now it's like we don't even know you anymore. We have watched as you have taken our team and lost repeatedly to substandard teams and our rivals. We boasted to our friends at other schools that we would be the ACC champions this year. How could we lose? We had a team with talent to rival any other, and our sworn enemies the Tar Heels lost their best starting players; but guess what...we lost to them twice! Herb, you've had the campus' support in the past, but we are frankly a little tired of having mediocre seasons. You have not taken us any farther than the Sweet 16 in the NCAA Tournament, even when we had some of the best teams in our history and we were favored to go farther. Tonight is your night to prove yourself. You have the talent on the team, and they are hungry to cut down the net after winning. An interesting question you should consider, Herb, is how many students have picked our team to lose in the first round? It's probably a lot more than you think, and it's not because there is an overwhelming amount of California fans on campus. It's because we have become so alienated by a team that we have put so much hope in, and we have become pessimistic. We don't consider ourselves "fair-weather fans" but rather realistic fans who are sad that we can't count on our team. Also, if this reaction by the student body isn't enough for Herb, he should consider the fact that rumors have been thrown around and the prospects of the tournament aren't being considered as hopeful but rather as "The Herb Sendek situation." The alumni and administration are getting just as tired as we are. Herb should start working on his "Win one for the Gipper" speech as soon as possible because he might not be making anymore speeches at N.C. State if he loses tonight. The Sports Department did not contribute to this editorial."

3/17/2006 9:11:29 AM

Am I justified for hating you because you wrote a few pieces for the Technician? Or am I wrong here?

3/17/2006 9:14:03 AM

wow.

he should leave. actually he should get a couple technicals tonight and get himself ejected, then leave. as a former NCSU student, i am ashamed to be associated with such a bunch of fucking pussies.

wow.

3/17/2006 9:14:10 AM

Quote :

"Herb, you've had the campus' support in the past"

doesn this fucker even pay attention?

3/17/2006 9:15:04 AM

^top, wholeheartedly agree, this is what has pissed me off about the recent upraising of hate toward our teams, if we end up winning and getting to past what some expected us to do, there will be so many turncoats. If we loose tonight, it will be people who feel they were justified in thier actions. Either way, none of this puts a positive light on our fan base, and it doesn't help our team either.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:16 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2006 9:15:54 AM

Yeah...seems like we've taken things a little far and have really made an ass of ourselves and our university.

I don't think that we understand that doing things like this makes us really unattractive to potential coaches.

3/17/2006 9:16:58 AM

just repeating a thought and applying it to the bullshit this kid wrote.

Quote :

"Now it's like we don't even know you anymore. We have watched as you have taken our team and lost repeatedly to substandard teams and our rivals. We boasted to our friends at other schools that we would be the ACC champions this year. How could we lose? We had a team with talent to rival any other, and our sworn enemies the Tar Heels lost their best starting players; but guess what...we lost to them twice!"

its all about a bunch of fans that are in this huge one-sided RIVALRY with 2 schools that are actually in a rivalry with each other -- that could give a fuck about NC State.

3/17/2006 9:17:36 AM

i agree with leg

i'm not ashamed of our basketball program. I am ashamed of our school and student body.

3/17/2006 9:18:00 AM

I do too, it is quite sickening what has happened not just over the past couple of weeks, but its been the same song and dance for the past couple of years. I really don't any good coming out of whatever happens tonight, win or loose.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:20 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2006 9:20:13 AM

Quote :

"i agree with leg i'm not ashamed of our basketball program. I am ashamed of our school and student body. "

3/17/2006 9:21:19 AM

every year NCSU fans watch the duke carolina games get all this hype, and watch it be broadcast on like 12 channels at once, and see all the press on the game

and they want SO BADLY to be included in that, thats what the "rivalry" is -- its simply fucking jealousy, they know UNC and Duke dont care about us, and they think that if they can win those games, they will be included. they try so hard to be acknowledged by their friends at Duke and UNC, and their friends just laugh at them. its not herbs fault guys.

3/17/2006 9:21:23 AM

Quote :

"Am I justified for hating you because you wrote a few pieces for the Technician? Or am I wrong here?"

Guess I have more of a legacy than I thought. What I said must've hit home. I haven't written in the Technician in over a year. Thanks though makes me feel good when people remember... even if they hate me.


Point still stands. This shit needs to wait till the offseason. I'm ashamed of the Technician.

3/17/2006 9:24:51 AM

Don't get too cocky now! I just remember some chick making a thread wanting you dead on here a while back...

** An interesting point gunzz made in another thread. I wonder what kind of impact not having Herb around will have on recruiting. Will players decommit? Will players transfer? I'm nearly certain Chris Wright would rescind his oral if Herb was fired/resigned. That is something to think about...

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:27 AM. Reason : f]

3/17/2006 9:25:47 AM

Haha, there were plenty of those. A lot of people wanted me dead.

Plus, I can't make fun of a Mets fan. That's like making fun of a retarded obese kid.



[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:28 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2006 9:27:05 AM

can someone post the email address of the author please
i have some spam i would like to sign them up for

3/17/2006 9:27:10 AM

^Jackleg
I've rarely seen something so off-topic.

The intensity of our rivalry with Carolina has very little to do with the Fire Herb movement. I'm a herb supporter, but there's a historic rivalry there that still remains, and it hurts to lose to our rivals more than others, so that is a small part of what makes this season sting. But that's no where near the whole of the reason people want Herb gone.

Back on the original subject: This article is shameful at best, and as an alumnus it embarrasses me to see that in the Technician for so many reasons. The guy talks like a 6th grader, calls for his coaches head mid-season, and then they publish it.

And all this over a four game losing streak? Four games.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:29 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2006 9:28:38 AM

20+ win season. 5 straight NCAA appearances (only 15 other teams in the country have a 5 game or more consecutive streak currently).

3/17/2006 9:29:39 AM

Quote :

"i was in school during the Les Robinson era and if you want to go back to recruiting the calibre of player like Ishua Benjamin...then lets get rid of Herb..."

3/17/2006 9:29:49 AM

Generally any coaching change regaurdless of the situation they will be the thought of decommitting from the university. Most of time unless it some a Coach K caliber coach, the incoming coach has to do a lot of convincing to the recuit to keep their committments. How this will be in our situation, if Herb leaves, I don't know. Either way I don't see much good coming out of it.

3/17/2006 9:30:06 AM

if herb leaves, forget about going to the NCAA for 5 or so years

3/17/2006 9:30:54 AM

at least.

3/17/2006 9:31:03 AM

slackerb--

its not off topic, read the letter. this person is whining cause state keeps losing to UNC and Duke. i guarantee you that 99% of these "fire herb" assholes wouldnt say a word if we had beat UNC and Duke this year. its obvious.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:32 AM. Reason : ...]

3/17/2006 9:32:15 AM

We'll recruit well no matter what. The RBC has worked wonders for us.


It's a matter if we get a better coach than Herb or not. We can definetely do better, but we can definetely do worse

3/17/2006 9:32:32 AM

Quote :

" we are starting to get multi star recruites, why...b/c they WANT to play for HERB and PLAY in HIS SYSTEM i was in school during the Les Robinson era and if you want to go back to recruiting the calibre of player like Ishua Benjamin...then lets get rid of Herb... "

3/17/2006 9:33:50 AM

I would say that necessarily. A lot depends on WHO we would be able to bring in. Next year, with Herbs players, will be absolutely miserable if we switch coaches. I don't know how you can say 'we won't make it in 5 years' without knowing a possible replacement.

I do think it would have a DISASTROUS effect on recruiting and our current team makeup to start. 2-3 years of second group ACC finishes isn't out of the realm of possibilities given how are team is constructed.

As an aside.. has anyone noticed ALL of our post counts going up DRAMATICALLY since the Herb debates fired up again!

3/17/2006 9:34:13 AM

Not only is it on topic, the damn article references it

Quote :

"We had a team with talent to rival any other, and our sworn enemies the Tar Heels lost their best starting players; but guess what...we lost to them twice!"

It might not be true for all Herb haters, but for the large marjority it reigns true. I mean after that loss that when the people started to get even louder. Throughout the years of this Fire Herb movement this has been one of the key arguments against him, along with missing championships. When Roy got hired, there were so much unrest. When Doh' was hired and Roy renouced UNC the first time, so many people were tied to his words and kept repeating the statement Roy made after the Syracuse loss in the championship game.

3/17/2006 9:35:55 AM

Quote :

"we are starting to get multi star recruites"

Again, I'll laugh at this.


Anyone who uses this as an argument has no knowledge of NC State basketball whatsoever

3/17/2006 9:38:19 AM

oh really and why is that

how many 3 and 4 star players or MD all americans did we have when Les was was here?

3/17/2006 9:39:27 AM

It's true that most herb haters main point is losing constantly to rivals, and I think that's a valid gripe.

What I thought was wayyyy off topic was the stupid "debate" about how pitiful our rivalry is and that it's just jealousy over Duke/CArolina...blah blah. That's a whole nother thread thats been done a bazillion times and a bad defense of Herb.

Anyways, Pro or Anti Herb, we all should agree not to publish shit like this before the season is over. Lame lame lame.

3/17/2006 9:40:07 AM

^^I see.


If you're using it in comparison to Les Robinson, okay.

If you're using it in a "keep Herb becuase he's finally recruiting well and we're gonna get better", which is what I took it to mean, then you're completely off base

I also find it entertaining that people compare NC State today with the Les Robinson years. Call me crazy, but that shouldn't be our measuring stick. Les Robinson was quite possibily the worst coach in ACC history (definetely of the Big 4).... He was only brought in to run a clean program. The Les Robinson years are so far behind us and Herb has had plenty of time to reach success. He's had some, but has hit a brick wall these past few years

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:44 AM. Reason : ]

3/17/2006 9:40:36 AM

and again

you dont explain your comment

^ what the fuck?

Call me crazy

but herb didnt have the luxury of taking over what we would consider our 'best' program.

he took over a piece of shit program in the middle of the height of its major rivals success.

You can 'compare' all you want, but its an empty comparison.

V yes you

Quote :

"If you're using it in a "keep Herb becuase he's finally recruiting well and we're gonna get better", which is what I took it to mean, then you're completely off base"

that comment

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:44 AM. Reason : *]

3/17/2006 9:41:35 AM

^ Who, me?

What comment?

3/17/2006 9:43:31 AM

Quote :

"every year NCSU fans watch the duke carolina games get all this hype, and watch it be broadcast on like 12 channels at once, and see all the press on the game and they want SO BADLY to be included in that, thats what the "rivalry" is -- its simply fucking jealousy, they know UNC and Duke dont care about us, and they think that if they can win those games, they will be included."

i agree that it would take a LOT of work to get to that level

but UMD had a couple of good years not too long ago, beat Duke a couple times, and suddenly ESPN hyped those games as a huge rivalry too

UMD then fell off the map and are worse off than we are, voila, no one cares about any former rivalry between duke and an NIT team. maryland fans think that duke is still their rival, but no one cares about them at all.

3/17/2006 9:46:52 AM

Quote :

"Les Robinson was quite possibily the worst coach in ACC history "

thats what i was making the statement for.
i attended NCSU during this time and talk about having a shitty coach and no offense
at least we run plays now

3/17/2006 9:46:55 AM

Quote :

"If you're using it in a "keep Herb becuase he's finally recruiting well and we're gonna get better", which is what I took it to mean, then you're completely off base"

Okay, for clarification.


8 of Herb's 9 recruiting classes have been ranked in the top 20. The only one that wasn't was the Simons (Not Simmons!), Mejia, and Flatt. (If I'm not mistaken, those guys made up a single class...). Mat have gotten them mixed up and they came in at separate times... but during the Simons, Mejia, O'Donnel, Flatt years we weren't in the top 20 in recruiting. This was the only time since Herb has been here.

Quote :

"Call me crazy but herb didnt have the luxury of taking over what we would consider our 'best' program. he took over a piece of shit program in the middle of the height of its major rivals success. You can 'compare' all you want, but its an empty comparison. "

Okay, and I know I'm gonna get slammed for this one.....

Rick Barnes took over what was labeled as "potentially the worst team in ACC history" by his hometown (Greenville, SC at least) newspaper.

He didn't have a player on his roster taller than 6'6" in a much much tougher ACC than we have today (Wake, Maryland, Duke, and UNC were all perennial top 10 programs).

He had them ranked in the top 5 his 3rd season!

Herb's had 10. The two programs were comparable when each coach took over. I'm not saying herb hasn't done a good job rebuilding our program, but it doesn't take 15 years to acheive some sort of major success.



[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:51 AM. Reason : ]

3/17/2006 9:49:25 AM

^^^ And the irony of that UMD situation was that Maryland fans were calling for Gary's head though that time up until he finally had that run to win the championship. I remember how they would boo him and call for his head. However, he was able to find a way to win out and keep his job.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:50 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2006 9:49:35 AM

Quote :

"He's had some, but has hit a brick wall these past few years"

hahaha 5 NCAAs in a row is a brick wall. i remember 2 years ago, when herb was ACC coach of the year, when people wanted him fired cause he "hadnt even made a sweet 16" -- you guys are gay, i'm staying out of this from now on.

3/17/2006 9:51:09 AM

Not for nothing but what good is a Top 5 ranking if you barely make the tourney?

<<<<During his final season at Clemson (1996-97), the Tigers began the year ranked No. 5 in the preseason AP poll — the highest preseason ranking in school history. Despite facing a schedule ranked third toughest in the nation by the RPI and playing with an injured point guard in Terrell McIntyre for the majority of the season, Barnes’ team still posted an 18-14 mark en route to another berth in the “Big Dance.”>>>>

3/17/2006 9:53:17 AM

ive said it once, ill say it again.

herb is a classy guy and doesnt deserve this shit. ive been critical, but to try to drive him out before the tournament even starts is unbelievable. Maybe if there were character issues this would be justified, but Herb has stayed classy through it all. There are plenty of schools who would love to have him right now. For his own good, I hope he quits, gives a press conference where he tells nc state to kiss his ass, and goes to coach at another school where he wins multiple conference championships w/o the continued pressure from being in the shadow of duke and unc and having to put up with fans who have been wanting him to fail for the past 10 years b/c hes not an overrated coach from the past.

3/17/2006 9:53:53 AM

^^ You're right, and to an extent, I agree. They were, I believe, first (maybe 2nd?) in the league until McIntyre went down.... and were playing outstanding.

I realize they finished up rather weak, but that's mostly becuase they lost thier star.

That year Duke, Wake Forest, Maryland, UNC, and Clemson were all ranked in the top 3 in the nation.


I'm not saying Barnes walks on water like most of you believe I think, but it doesn't take forever...no matter where you started.

UW-Mil was horrible. Pearl had them in the sweet 16 in what... 3 years?


[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 9:57 AM. Reason : ]

3/17/2006 9:55:55 AM

Yeah im not arguing Barnes vs Sendek.

I would find it difficult to argue to not take Barnes right now if he wanted the job.

How deep did Barnes take Clemson in the tourney and how many times?

3/17/2006 9:56:32 AM

From memory, I think he was there.... 4 years?


Might have taken them to the NCAA's twice... and I dont think he ever got out of the first round


(Again, going from memory, probably way off)

3/17/2006 9:58:23 AM

hahah its so hard to stay out of this, since i rarely use sports talk and havent seen this same thread every day for the past 4 years.

5th tournament in a row, i think 5 points difference (or a couple of calls) would have made us be in 3/4 sweet 16s... and people are completely forgetting that WE HAVENT EVEN PLAYED THIS TOURNAMENT YET.

but i guess thats why this argument is so pointless

3/17/2006 10:00:20 AM

Quote :

"You have not taken us any farther than the Sweet 16 in the NCAA Tournament, even when we had some of the best teams in our history and we were favored to go farther."

What the fuck ever! Last time I checked, a 10 seed is not favored to go to the Sweet 16.

Since it now seems inevitable that Herb will be gone one way or another. I hope someone else snaps him up and that his new team absolutely mops the floor with us. Damn. Shitty-ass fans. Sports Talk is a sewer.

3/17/2006 10:00:46 AM

Yeah I am not arguing Sendek is the best thing since sliced bread. I am just saying he is consistently improving the program. There may be better coaches out there for the job but im in no hurry to try to go find them.

3/17/2006 10:01:09 AM

I know it's overly frustrating and I really would like Herb to stay. However, if he does leave and we play a team he coaches I hope we beat them by 50... no point holding it against the KIDS in the program...

3/17/2006 10:01:41 AM

i like that the article uses the word "boasted"

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 10:02 AM. Reason : ed]

3/17/2006 10:01:54 AM

Quote :

"The Sports Department did not contribute to this editorial"

in other words, "i dont know a damn thing about sports and im just parroting what a few people have told me"

3/17/2006 10:02:23 AM

state "fans" suck

3/17/2006 10:08:40 AM

Quote :

"However, if he does leave and we play a team he coaches I hope we beat them by 50... no point holding it against the KIDS in the program..."

It has nothing to do with the kids. They can eat one loss to shut our fans up.

3/17/2006 10:12:51 AM