http://www.sustainlane.com/article/734/Ten+U.S.+Cities+Best+Prepared+for

3/31/2006 12:21:49 PM

aren't many of those cities on a power grid/infrastrucutre that would be adversely affected by an oil crisis?

3/31/2006 12:25:40 PM

i'm thinking that list should read more like:

1. Lizard Lick, NC
2. Burnt Corn, AL
3. Chadbourne, NC

3/31/2006 12:27:53 PM

Oakland?

It'll be fucking mad max over there if we have a gas crisis

3/31/2006 12:34:20 PM

^^you forgot Tickbite, NC and Roadhiss, NC

3/31/2006 12:41:15 PM

i like roadhiss

3/31/2006 12:43:18 PM

^^^BARTA

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 12:55 PM. Reason : don't have a cow man]

3/31/2006 12:45:19 PM

BART

MARTA is in Atlanta

3/31/2006 12:54:36 PM

eat my shorts man

3/31/2006 12:55:09 PM

wait

what does this have to do with wtc 87 and the pentagon mind control plots?

3/31/2006 12:55:57 PM

hahaha this is hilarious. New York will be a damn zoo if something happens. Bunch of Italians killing everyone.

3/31/2006 2:51:11 PM

CONCRETE JUNGLE, ANIMALS ARE AFTER ME

3/31/2006 3:07:16 PM

wtf, in an oil crisis, they wouldn't be able to truck food into manhattan. this list is fucking ludicrous

3/31/2006 3:40:09 PM

did you read the article?

they have a port

3/31/2006 3:42:56 PM

IN HOBOKEN!!!!!!!!

3/31/2006 4:04:08 PM

Quote :

" i'm thinking that list should read more like: 1. Lizard Lick, NC 2. Burnt Corn, AL 3. Chadbourne, NC "

Quote :

" SustainLane has ranked the largest 50 U.S. cities "

i'm sure rural america would do ok but most people don't want to live there as an oil crisis insurance policy

3/31/2006 6:04:54 PM

Quote :

"did you read the article? they have a port"

The average cargo ship gets about 8 inches to the gallon.

3/31/2006 9:09:45 PM

well, i know that the good people who live on Constipation Ridge, Tennessee, will have a damn hard time driving up Farfrompoopin Road if theres an oil crisis

http://ruralninja.blogspot.com/2006/03/farmtown-flabbergaster-psycho-path.html

4/1/2006 6:14:50 AM

^^ that's what i'm sayin. no kidding nyc has a port, but wtf are the ships going to run on, hope?

nobody seems to be able to process that an oil crisis means not enough pesticides or fertilizers, not enough transportation ability for crops, equipment, or people... it would be a complete shutdown of our society, not just an inability to drive

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

4/1/2006 10:05:28 AM

But we can sit back and watch the oil fat cats cackling away at our misfortune.

4/1/2006 10:43:30 AM

Yes, thank God such an immense oil crises would require one of two things: Price controls, or a concious act of God (a few hurricanes won't cut it)

4/1/2006 12:23:08 PM

In case I'm the only person who read the article, it should be noted that they're not talking about when we just run out. They're talking about when prices at the pump reach "$4, $5, or even $8 a gallon".

4/1/2006 4:19:45 PM

Okay, $8 a gallon is a ton of money, all shipping related price will go up a lot, but society will continue pretty much as usual.

However, coal-fired ships will make a come-back.

4/1/2006 5:18:25 PM

I'd drive a coal-fired car.

4/1/2006 5:35:22 PM

I'd drive a leg powered bike.

4/2/2006 12:03:17 PM

time to buy a vespa

4/2/2006 12:49:28 PM

I see rural america as being pretty fucked looking. Small towns of america don't grow their own food, and commutes are of considerable distance.

very rural areas will just be chopping more wood when they can't heat their house, but that's just heat. Camping only works when you're bringing supplies in from somewhere else.

4/2/2006 10:37:06 PM

^ Wait, why would the rural be fucked so much more than the Urban? How many "city-folk" grow their own food? At least I am within walking distance of a farm growing food (I live in rural-ville).

And yes, we have fire-wood available, if needed. How long do you think the trees of Central Park will last?

That said, it would take God himself to make such events a reality. A few man-made or natural disasters just won't cut it. Even the most idiotic of political rules, such as price controls, only switches the users of oil from those that can utilize it best to those that can lobby the best. Either way, it is still being allocated, and trucking companies can manage both (Either afford the oil, or afford the lobbying).

Not to mention, at what point does an Oil crisis become an energy crisis? Electricity is produced by burning Coal and Uranium, not oil. People that currently burn oil to heat their house, can cheaply purchase a coal or wood furnace.

4/3/2006 12:34:36 AM

Quote :

"The average cargo ship gets about 8 inches to the gallon."

Actually, the diesel engines on merchant ships are very effecient.

4/3/2006 2:07:03 AM

and very large and powerful

which requires a lot of fuel.

i bet they do burn something on that order.

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http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/

let's use 1200 gal/hr. that's 0.3333 gal/sec.

let's figure that your average merchant ship probably cruises around 20 kts (prob could go faster, but my guess is that they usually run around 20 kts).

that's 1.66666 ft/sec.

which equals about 0.2 gal/ft

or 5' per gallon (which is, of course, a rough estimate...i'd say that large diesel merchant ships would probably range from about 2-10 feet per gallon.)



[Edited on April 3, 2006 at 2:38 AM. Reason : asdfas]

4/3/2006 2:21:32 AM

some of you idiots have totally changed around the original argument of this thread.

4/3/2006 1:57:02 PM

^ Those arguments have already been made, we have now moved on to what interests us: big engines and power!

4/3/2006 2:58:24 PM