"Will somebody please coach these guys....really, they're not that bad. And the fans are great when you get past the ones that want you fired after making five straight NCAAs...and the ones that yell at your wife at the games and harass your kids at school...and there are the fans that put fliers on cars at a home conference game with a website that has a petition to fire me when the season isn't over and we eventually made the tournament...I mean they really aren't that bad. It's really not hard to win there either...you only have the two of the top 5 programs of all time within 20 miles...it makes it REAL easy to recruit. But I have to go...some hot co-eds are at my door with brownies."



And lock this shit if you want to. I'm just trying to add a little humor to this depressing situation.

[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 10:59 PM. Reason : .]

4/20/2006 10:58:18 PM

perfect picture for the thread

IBTL

4/20/2006 10:59:19 PM

Well if Lee Fowler would stop screwing around & go after the best man for the job (who actually would take it) already, we would have a coach already.

And in case anyone isn't sure, the right coach is named Frank Haith.

4/20/2006 11:12:27 PM

I wish people would stop blaming Lee Fowler.

You run a coach off and then complain because our AD cannot hire a new one.

Man I love our fans.

4/20/2006 11:17:25 PM

This whole situation is getting really frustrating. And all the armchair athletic directors on all the blogs and message boards aren't making it any better.

4/20/2006 11:17:43 PM

Since no one really has any idea of what is going on...I don't think we can blame Lee Fowler.

But he went after the big dogs and missed...and I don't see anything wrong with that (we would have crucified him if he went after a B-list guy first and got him).

Lee's in a pretty bad situation. There really isn't anyone on the list that a overwhelming majority of the fans are going to like. A lot of people are going to be pissed with any hire we make right now. A Billy Gillispie or PJ Carlesimo might make everyone happy...but they don't even seem to be on the list anymore.

Lee's proper fucked either way. Here's to hoping he just hires a damn good coach, and hopefully after a few years of success we'll all start liking him.

4/20/2006 11:21:22 PM

there's a thread over on pp talking about fucking McMillan again. God damnit, people never learn.

4/20/2006 11:23:39 PM

this coaching search has gotten beyond ridiculous.

4/20/2006 11:24:55 PM

And it's only just beginning.

4/21/2006 12:20:09 AM

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"I wish people would stop blaming Lee Fowler. You run a coach off and then complain because our AD cannot hire a new one. Man I love our fans. "

What do you mean we can't hire a new one? Did you ever think we can't hire one because LF won't ask the right people?

Lee was right to go after the big dogs, but if that doesn't work, go with a realistic option.

Frank Haith would probably love to take this job & he's a far better option than some of these other people being talked about. Lavin may be another good option, who might actually be interested.

4/21/2006 12:25:17 AM

Will people please let go of Frank Haith. The ACC does not like this idea at all.

4/21/2006 12:28:28 AM

^ Im not pro-Frank Haith (although we could do much worse), but my response to that is "Fuck the ACC."

4/21/2006 12:31:47 AM

The ACC can get over it. The ACC should only be concerned about what's good for NC State basketball, as that is what is good for the ACC.

4/21/2006 12:34:01 AM

Quote :

"The ACC should only be concerned about what's good for NC State basketball, as that is what is good for the ACC."

That doesn't sound biased...

4/21/2006 12:38:46 AM

NC State doing well (in basketball) will be much better for the ACC than if Miami does well.



As I've said before, nobody cares about miami basketball.


But we're not getting him so i'll stop talking about it now.

4/21/2006 12:40:23 AM

I totally support this thread!

4/21/2006 12:40:45 AM

this thread is worthless without pics

4/21/2006 12:43:28 AM

So you want Lee to rush and just hire the first coach that says yes????

And do you really think Frank Haith is better than a Lon Kruger, PJ Carlesimo, or Mike Montgomery?

I sure hope not. I would take 90% of names being thrown out over Haith.

4/21/2006 12:47:58 AM

aren't you guys all glad we ran herb off now?

i just KNEW we'd make an awesome hire to replace him...

4/21/2006 12:51:10 AM

Quote :

"NC State doing well (in basketball) will be much better for the ACC than if Miami does well. "

I think you guys are overestimating the importance of NC State in ACC basketball. Here's a hint...we really don't matter anymore. There is Duke/UNC, then there is the rest of the league. There will always be teams that make a run for a few years (Maryland, Wake, etc.), then go back to the middle of bottom of the league...recycle.

This league doesn't need Duke/UNC/State at the top all the time...Duke/UNC does just fine for them. Even if they did, letting Haith come here wouldn't even be close to guaranteeing that.

And if you really think about it...the ACC got a lot of shit for expanding and letting shitty basketball teams like Miami and VT into the league. It would be dumb of them to allow us to take away Miami's coach just when he was starting to build a respectable program there.

4/21/2006 1:42:52 AM

"Hey ref...I think I see a coach that NC State could hire....he's right over there. Hurry up and go get Lee."

4/21/2006 1:45:26 AM

I'm not saying the ACC needs NC State to succeed in order to survive.


I'm saying it would be better $$$$$$ wise if NC State did well. TV ratings would be higher, ticket sales would be higher, and overall excitement about games would be higher if NC State were a powerhouse again.


Who gives a fuck if Miami is a powerhouse. I mean maybe one day, but its more of a sure thing with us and our lunatic fans.


Thats not saying that we deserve to be a powerhouse or deserve Frank Haith, or deserve jack shit for that matter. It was simply a comment (well at least from my perspective) about sheer numbers, and our alumni and fanbase for basketball will do a lot more for the ACC than Miami.




One more thing.....Duke is probably...note probably, not for sure....is going to have a down season next year. How great would it be to see State and UNC competing for an ACC championship next season? Wake is losing Williams, Gray, and Ellis who was coming around. MD is reporting that Ibekwe (sp) and strawberry are entering the draft. If we could somehow hang on to Ced, next year might be the year to take advantage of a down ACC if we can keep up with the ridiculous amount of talent UNC is bringing in. ....ok that has nothing to do with the rest of the post...just got to thinking.

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 2:09 AM. Reason : ]

4/21/2006 2:04:28 AM

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"Sendek had ample time to put a signature accomplishment on his resume but remained mired in mediocrity. Ten years, no Elite Eights, no ACC Tournament titles, no ACC regular-season titles. Only one other coach in ACC history (Bill Gibson, at Virginia from 1964-73) in league history had kept his job so long with so little to show for it."

Fuck herb and his defenders.

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 2:14 AM. Reason : sdf]

4/21/2006 2:13:26 AM

More importantly, if the ACC continues to block coaching moves within the conference, the programs hurt the most in the long run will be the Miamis, VTs, and FSUs.

The big basketball schools will always be able to hire a rising star as a coach. If taking a job and building a program at a place like Miami will rule them out for an NCSU, UNC, Duke, MD, or WFU coaching vacancy, they will want to shy away from the ACC until their "dream" job comes open. Is Miami better off with a solid up-and-coming coach like Haith, or someone with no higher aspirations. I think Miami and the ACC as a whole are better off attracting Haith, even if he may someday leave.

4/21/2006 2:13:49 AM

SFN had a good argument about why the ACC should let coaces move from one ACC school to another. Here's the link:

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2006/04/13/re-haiththe-acc-problem/

This doesn't mean that I think Haith should be the next coach. I don't play armchair AD and will give whoever gets the job a reasonable chance to succeed before passing judgement. I'm just saying I agree with SFN on this one and think it's a crappy rule.

4/21/2006 3:44:14 AM

COACHING JOB FOR 'RENT'--FANS WILL EVENTUALLY KICK YOU OUT OF HERE

4/21/2006 4:28:00 AM

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"Black Smoke Signals Fowler’s Failure to Land Coach (Satire) Black smoke signals Fowler’s failure to land coach on 19th offical day of search By Noelle Knox and Marco della Cava, USA TODAY RALEIGH - Black smoke wafted from the chimney of the Reynolds Coliseum at twilight on Monday, signaling that the board of trustees had cast a second, inconclusive vote for the next leader of the NC State Men’s Basketball program. Black smoke rises from the chimney of the Reynolds, meaning that trustee members failed to elect a new coach in the first ballot. AFP/Getty Images Tens of thousands gathered in the Brickyard to see the smoke, the indicator of whether a candidate had won a two-thirds majority of votes. On the 21st day of the search, the trustees will vote twice in the morning and twice in the afternoon. The ballots will be burned twice a day at noon and 7 p.m. local time. (Related video: Black smoke signals no new coach) When the smoke is white, created by adding wet straw or chemicals, and the bells atop NC State’s Memorial Belltower ring, the world will know the 18th coach will have been chosen to lead the Wolfpack program. “We wanted to be here,” said Ben Johnson, of Wilson, NC., who was snapping photos as a bleery-eyed wanderer ran by repeatedly screaming “I’m going home to Mebane! I’m going home to Mebane!” and howling like a Wolf. Johnson continued, “You just can’t describe with words, or even pictures, what this is like. Even if I show these pictures to my friends, they won’t get the magnitude of the gathering. We even saw this strange older man walking around Case with a John Wooden mask, a bag full of seeds and a batch of “open letters” in his hands. Fortunately, someone called campus security.” Bob Montgomery of Charlotte knows what kind of sacrifice that many had to make to get to this hallowed ground. Montgomery, like anyone born in Mecklenburg County, had to pretend that he was a UNC Tarheel fan his entire life to help his father remain employed at the Charlotte Observer. Ultimately, Montgomery was forced to severe all contact from all of his friends and family just to enroll at NC State. The waiting, as the selction of a coach is called, is steeped in ritual and lore. But it is not all fun and games for everyone. Many become obsessed; completely consumed. Students have been known to forego classes and struggle with the simplest of assignments. Many (formerly) employed graduates stare at the internet all day hitting F5 or refresh as local businesses suffer. Threats of separations and divorces strain what were otherwise strong family bonds. Even Triangle police report an outbreak of trespassers at local airports and sports facilities. All the consequences of the events are not so dire, but they are almost all as profound. For example, lying in desolatoin outside of the Brickyard was a 1985 grad who was weeping and repeatedly mumbling, “Where’s my Herb?” Like so many in attendance, he was so overcome with emotion that he could not hold back his tears…for whatever the reason."

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2006/04/20/black-smoke-signals-failure-to-land-coach/


[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 8:33 AM. Reason : .]

4/21/2006 8:32:34 AM

Quote :

" Who gives a fuck if Miami is a powerhouse. I mean maybe one day, but its more of a sure thing with us and our lunatic fans. "

Nobody is saying that they need to be a powerhouse...they just need to respectable. The ACC doesn't want a bunch of shitty teams at the bottom of the conference. If they let schools at the top half of the ACC pick coaches out of the bottom half every time they prove themselves...then it would just create a big gap.

And seriously...the ACC doesn't need any help in ratings or money. And hiring Frank Haith would not let us "replace Duke" next year to "battle with UNC for the top of the ACC to create crazy ratings...wooot!!!"

4/21/2006 9:16:44 AM

Lavin.

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"http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/14393129.htm Wolfpack's attention turns to Lavin as coach Shrouded search still includes Whittenburg KEN TYSIAC ktysiac@charlotteobserver.com RALEIGH - Steve Lavin, who directed UCLA to five NCAA tournament regional semifinal appearances in seven years, has emerged as a likely candidate in N.C. State's search for a basketball coach. Information on N.C. State's coaching search has been sparse since April 11, when Memphis' John Calipari became the second coach (Texas' Rick Barnes was the other) to turn down a lucrative Wolfpack offer. Sources have said Lavin is a focus of N.C. State's search and considers the job intriguing because of the compelling conference affiliation, heritage, facilities and recruiting base. Other speculation about athletics director Lee Fowler's ultra-secretive search continued to focus on Fordham coach Dereck Whittenburg, Golden State Warriors coach Mike Montgomery, West Virginia coach John Beilein and Nevada-Las Vegas coach Lon Kruger. Efforts to reach Whittenburg were unsuccessful, but he has repeatedly said he has not been contacted by N.C. State. Montgomery has said he does not want to return to college coaching, and on Monday, Golden State general manager Chris Mullin said Montgomery will coach the Warriors next season. Montgomery reportedly signed a four-year contract worth a total of $10 million in 2004 with the Warriors. Sources said interest in Beilein cooled because he has a buyout in his contract reportedly worth $3 million. A West Virginia spokesman said N.C. State had not contacted West Virginia officials about Beilein. Kruger told a Nevada television station this week he was happy at UNLV. Lavin has been a television analyst for ESPN the past three seasons and was 145-78 in seven seasons as UCLA's coach, as which he reached one regional final. Before that, he was an assistant on Jim Harrick's staff when the Bruins won the 1995 NCAA title. "He is a good coach," said fellow ESPN analyst Jay Bilas, "and he's been through it at the highest level, which makes him attractive. He's got a great personality and relates really well with players. This job would be right up his alley." Although ESPN's contracts often have buyout clauses, sources said that shouldn't be much of an obstacle for Lavin if he wants the N.C. State job."

4/21/2006 10:01:50 AM

^^you've dont nothing but post negative shit in here for the past couple of weeks, I was just pointing out a possible alternative. If Miami starts beating the shit out of all of the normal ACC powerhouses consistently, its going to hurt, no matter what you say.

Its like in golf...casual fans dont watch when tiger isnt playing or when he's getting the shit kicked out of him, and when he is playing and playing well, he's the only player they show seemingly.


You're right, the ACC needs miami to be competitive, but I dont think its a good idea if they become dominant. They dont have any fan base. Its better if Duke, UNC, NC State, BC, UMD, and even Wake are doing well.


I already said I dont think we deserve shit, and that last part of my previous post was the dilusional part of me talking...wishful thinking that aint happening.

4/21/2006 10:51:10 AM

Quote :

"you've dont nothing but post negative shit in here for the past couple of weeks,"

Honestly...has there been anything positive to talk about around for the past couple weeks?? I got excited over Barnes, Calipari, and possibly Gillispie...but it's hard not to be negative with this dumb ass coaching search.

Quote :

"If Miami starts beating the shit out of all of the normal ACC powerhouses consistently, its going to hurt, no matter what you say."

This won't happen. The ACC does not have to worry about this. I don't care how long Haith stays. And no one has shown that they can beat the shit ouf all of the normal ACC powerhouses consistently (which there is only two of them anyways).

I applaud you for trying to make your point...but it's just not working.

4/21/2006 11:07:45 AM

4/21/2006 4:39:57 PM

It may not work for you, but you're an asshole, so I dont really give two fucks.

4/21/2006 4:45:49 PM

4/21/2006 4:47:59 PM

I mean I halfway agreed with you, so whats the point in being a dick?

4/21/2006 4:50:57 PM

I told you I understood your point...I'm just saying it's not reality.

The ACC does care about us...and they showed us that when they vocally supported us after Calipari dicked us. But as much as Duke/UNC/State fans like to say..."screw Miami/VT/BC and the such" just because they haven't won past championships and don't have a strong past in the ACC...doesn't mean the ACC feels the same way. That's not how the conference works. The ACC prides itself on being strong TOP TO BOTTOM.

To think that the ACC would say, "we need to let State have Frank Haith because we need to get State back to the top of the ACC and Miami really doesn't matter in basketball" is not realistic. Miami doing well in basketball makes the ACC officials look a lot better....because they got a lot of shit from basketball people about expansion.

Quote :

"NC State doing well (in basketball) will be much better for the ACC than if Miami does well. "

This is true to an extent....but the ACC won't help State and fuck Miami over at the same time. It just won't happen unless Fowler got on his hands and knees.

And sorry for being negative...but this coaching search is pissing me off. I'll admit I wasn't happy that Herb left...but I had hopes we could get a big name coach that could take us to the next level faster than the pace we were currently moving at. Then I was liking the up-and-comer Gillispie...and that never progressed. Then there were the proven coaches...Montgomery, Carlesimo, Kruger (to some extent)...and they seem to be out of the picture.

My optimism is out the window. I'll reserve judgment until next year is over and I'll definitely support the new coach...but I just can't be positive about our situation right now. We've got one coach who was run out of UCLA and who's been in the broadcast booth for two years and another who's best accomplishment as a coach has been bringing Fordham to mediocrity. Belein is the best possibile coach available, but he'll bring the same offense to Raleigh that eveyrone has been bitching about for the past 5 years.

Unless we pull something out of our ass...I don't see what there is to be excited about.

4/21/2006 5:10:43 PM

4/21/2006 5:18:01 PM

There's nothing to be excited about, but I'm trying to look at the bright side of things. If we have to settle for Whitt, I would have been pissed a few weeks ago, but compared to these other candidates, I like him more and more every day.


Lets just sit back and see what happens. I dont think Fowler will do something thats going to piss a large majority of the fans off. Hiring Lon Kruger would have made a worse situation than already existed.

Whitt is the only guy that we can say "well what the fuck has he done"....yet the fans will give him a chance. Kruger wont get a chance. Beilein will get about as many games as it takes for him to lose a game dying by the 3's, and Lavin will get one shitty recruiting class.


we're on the same page here, I just want a fucking coach, and for people to stop bitching

4/21/2006 5:23:47 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/752/story/432027.html

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"Two people close to the school said Sunday that the search may not be as close to an end as most fans would like to believe."

"Come on guys. Someone should take this job. It really is great. And you never really have to plan your retirement either. You either get run out of town by the fans or by the media. To the NC State Coach Search Committee, I have one thing to say...'Never Give Up.' And my good buddy Les has something to add."




"I just wanted to add that if you're really worried about getting run out of town or people hating you when you run the program into the ground and get the ACC play-in game named after you....then just wear red sweaters to all the games and beat UNC more times than you were suppose to."



[Edited on April 24, 2006 at 8:12 AM. Reason : .]

4/24/2006 8:11:49 AM

Quote :

""Come on guys. Someone should take this job. It really is great. And you never really have to plan your retirement either. You either get run out of town by the fans or by the media. To the NC State Coach Search Committee, I have one thing to say...'Never Give Up.' And my good buddy Les has something to add.""

I think that is the part that alot of people don't realize. I mean beside the pressure that is well known for what Herb went through and how he left, when was the last time a coach at NC State stepped down, retired or left truly on his own free will at State? Norm Sloan left for Florida, we all know about Jimmy V, Les Robinson took an AD job (I bet that was willingly), and now Herb bolts for ASU. It's one thing to be concerned about a flight risk coach but you got to look at the other side of the coin too.

4/24/2006 8:33:18 AM

I haven't been following this... they still don't have someone?

...now accepting walk-ons.

4/24/2006 9:04:42 AM

...now accepting walk-ons.

4/24/2006 10:25:28 AM

"Thank you so much John...I really appreciate this. I really love these Wolfpack fans, and they deserve a good coach like you. You're welcome for all of the "system" player that I'm leaving you. Good luck...and I'll see you in the Final 4 in a couple years!"





"No prob Herb....YOU DA MAN!!!!"

4/26/2006 3:29:00 PM

"GOTCHA BITCH!!!"

4/26/2006 8:25:05 PM