why is it that someone can post something so offensive that the post gets locked, yet they do not get suspended

3/21/2002 10:38:10 PM

ive been wondering the same thing

3/22/2002 1:00:58 AM

i don't think the guy's personally attacked anyone. correct me if i'm wrong

3/22/2002 2:30:28 AM

nope... didn't personally attack... didn't fuck with the moderators... didn't post topics in the wrong section... basically he posted topics on subjects that have been done... again... and again... and again

3/22/2002 8:37:50 AM

maybe he hasn't attacked anyoen personally, but if i was an african-american and someone called me the n word all the time, like he frequently does, i would take it personally

3/23/2002 1:13:51 AM

stop being such a pansy

3/23/2002 2:46:46 AM

it's a message board. he can type what he wants, it doesn't matter if it's offensive to someone. 2000, btw.

3/23/2002 3:25:11 AM

african americans and the n-word rool

3/23/2002 6:51:42 AM

If you werent born in africa, you arent an african american. You're a black american.

[Edited on March 24, 2002 at 12:16 AM. Reason : ]

3/24/2002 12:15:29 AM

^^^ For once I agree with InsaneMan

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"i don't think the guy's personally attacked anyone. correct me if i'm wrong"

Correct me if Im wrong, but are personal attacks grounds for suspension or being banned? They usually are on other message boards, but if that was the case here, I do believe about half of us (myself included) would have been banned.

3/24/2002 1:26:45 AM

true... i'm sure jake would have 10X the justification to ban me for life than he would to suspend nchsref

3/24/2002 1:44:47 AM

^^^ why is that?

3/24/2002 5:05:27 AM

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"why is it that someone can post something so offensive that the post gets locked, yet they do not get suspended"

thankyou

it is pretty fucked up to post racial shit on here, I DONT CARE IF ITS IN THE RIGHT SECTION OR WHAT......... how would u feel if you were black and had to see his(nchsref) bullshit everyday on here. I mean come on, by allowing him to do this, we arent prohibiting racism.......... something I thought we were intelligent/mature enough to not consider. and by the way, in regards to this:

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"jackleg Vote for Travis 15649 Posts user info edit post i don't think the guy's personally attacked anyone. correct me if i'm wrong 3/22/2002 2:30:28 AM timswar Evil Lounge Singer 15605 Posts user info edit post nope... didn't personally attack... didn't fuck with the moderators... didn't post topics in the wrong section... basically he posted topics on subjects that have been done... again... and again... and again"

he personally attacks blacks/minorities just about everytime he posts........... do u not see that?

why is it that because he is quote "exerting his freedom of speech" right, that the OPS/MODS tolerate it. I guarantee you this, if we starting posting CrazyJ and Joe SUCK GOAT BALLS threads, we would get banned in a heart beat. I mean, we cant even use the word "padd" or we get in trouble............... yet nchsref is allowed to call people niggers......... yes, this makes lots of sense

[Edited on March 24, 2002 at 5:34 PM. Reason : *sigh*]

3/24/2002 5:30:55 PM

they're talking about personal attacks directed at one person, which you have been more guilty of than just about anyone else i've seen

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"CrazyJ and Joe SUCK GOAT BALLS threads"

that would be personally directed against a specific individual or individuals

[Edited on March 24, 2002 at 5:44 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2002 5:44:21 PM

ummmm i talk shit back to people that talk shit to me, I am no different than you or anyone else on TWW and if they want to take it outside, then so be it. anyway, back to the matter at hand...

so attacking a group as a whole doesnt count?

and if u dont think his attacks on black people are not worthy of banishment, just read this:

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"nchsref All American 1003 Posts user info edit post In Honor of BHM, I have pondered the question of what blacks have ever done for US History? Well ive compiled a list: 1) Sold themselves into slavery so our ancestors wouldnt have to worry about the dangers of manual labor and instead allowed them to turn their attention to constructing not only our government, but also the mercantile system which has propelled us to world dominance. 2) Made our cities so uninhabitable allowing for the devlopment of white suburbs. 3) Provided a training ground for city cops and their nightsticks. 4) Turned city streets into sidewalks, and sidewalks into pawn shops. 5) Provided entertainment in sports the same ways the Christians did for the Romans(i.e. Boxing) 6) Advanced the field of aerodynamics with their afrosheen. 7) They make so much damn noise that the carbon dioxide expelled enhances Smoker4's marijuana crops; also by killing every blade of grass in their yard (with rusted out cars) helps reduce competition for precious gases. 8) They keep used Cadillac lots in buisnees. 9) They help revitalize a failing economy by spending their welfare checks at the ABC store. 10) Their gangs keep white families safe because they are to busy killing eachother for their astronomic fertility rate to matter."

[Edited on March 24, 2002 at 5:51 PM. Reason : BHM-Black History Month just in case u were wondering]

3/24/2002 5:45:50 PM

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"ummmm i talk shit back to people that talk shit to me, I am no different than you or anyone else on TWW and if they want to take it outside, then so be it."

That would be personal attacks.
We are all guilty of this. Im sure that almost everyone on here has said "Fuck you <Insert Name Here>" at least once on here. If not, Im sure they have called someone a cum whore or a asshole at some point. On most any other message board, you do that once, youre gone. On this one, you dont. Im not sure if thats good or bad. I know that if this message board was just as unlenient, then there would be a disclaimer when someone signs up...but no one would ever read it, and then would bitch to the moderators because they got banned.
Whats really funny though is how you people can get so mad at nchsref because he posts about the same topic over and over and over, but when its someone you like (for reasons unknown), you have no problem with them running on and on about the same thing for months at a time .

3/24/2002 6:33:53 PM

I see nothing ban-worthy in the above 10 item list. Some of the things in there are true.

3/24/2002 6:45:14 PM

CONTRA, that is what i was saying, everyone does that

HEMO, wtf are u talking about...... everything on that list is fucking HATE, nothing on there is a fact or even close to a fact what so ever. All nchsref does is make black people feel like shit and I am tired of it. It is that kind of attitude that is bringing our economy down. Ignorant fuckers that hate just to hate are fucking ridiculous. that is the definition of ignorance. if you agree with that list, u are just as racist as he is



[Edited on March 24, 2002 at 6:59 PM. Reason : ignorance + hate = racism]

3/24/2002 6:52:55 PM

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The first two items in the list are at least "close to a fact whatsoever"

1) Africans DO hold some blame for their own enslavement <-- so what he said WAS close to a fact
2) Black crime IS a major problem, particularly in the inner-city (whether society causes their actions or not, its at least "close to a fact" that predominantly black neighborhoods in cities are high crime)

I'm sorry for having an open mind. Maybe when you learn to be less close-minded you can actually work to improve race relations. Until then, flying off your rocker every time someone disagrees with you is a poor way to live so I suggest you tone it down.


[Edited on March 24, 2002 at 7:01 PM. Reason : s]

3/24/2002 7:00:05 PM

My pet minority is the gay culture. I try to defend it as much as possible, but I also am able to recognize its shortcomings. For instance, AIDS is a major problem among gay men. They frequently do not practice safe sex. I don't go fucking nuts like you do if someone says that there is an AIDS crisis among gay men. I recognize that as an opportunity to motivate people to work hard in educating that culture about safe-sex and treatment programs.

If you could be so wise, you'd also recognize statements about the high incidence of crime in black neighborhoods as an opportunity to educate those members about different choices they have and you might advocate the creation of better opportunities for those people.

Merely stating a fact is not grounds for termination.

[Edited on March 24, 2002 at 7:06 PM. Reason : s]

3/24/2002 7:05:59 PM

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"that is the definition of ignorance"

I think you are the definition of fucking ignorance. You spew shit about how he is racist and all he said is hateful lies. But Hemo is right, 1 and 2 are fucking real. If you knew anything about History, you'd realize that the African chieftains sold their enemies to the slave traders. They had been practicing slavery for ages. When you defeated an enemy tribe, you could take slaves or wives or whatever. The chieftains were constantly warring between one another. So they thought to make themselves rich by selling those slaves to the traders. The white men did not go in with guns and tell all the blacks to get on their ships. They were captured and traded away by their brethren for trinkets.

As for #2, I think Hemo covered it quite well. So learn your facts before you start spewing shit about whose full of hate and should be terminated.

3/24/2002 7:12:51 PM

yeah ok what the fuck is that? Black people are responsible for THEM BEING ENSLAVED? haha ok!
Black crime is a major problem, and it most certainly can be pointed out in a NON-RACIST fashion. However it is not done that way. If someone came up here posting WHITE CRIME FACTS in a racist mannor, some of you people would fucking go nutz. You dont see anyone doing that tho do you? My point is, if you want to post facts about blacks, do it in a non-racist fashion. Dont be offensive with it, because it is unfair and stereotypical to say that ALL BLACKS are criminals and such.

ex)

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"2) Made our cities so uninhabitable allowing for the devlopment of white suburbs. 3) Provided a training ground for city cops and their nightsticks. 4) Turned city streets into sidewalks, and sidewalks into pawn shops. 5) Provided entertainment in sports the same ways the Christians did for the Romans(i.e. Boxing) 6) Advanced the field of aerodynamics with their afrosheen. 7) They make so much damn noise that the carbon dioxide expelled enhances Smoker4's marijuana crops; also by killing every blade of grass in their yard (with rusted out cars) helps reduce competition for precious gases. 8) They keep used Cadillac lots in buisnees. 9) They help revitalize a failing economy by spending their welfare checks at the ABC store. 10) Their gangs keep white families safe because they are to busy killing eachother for their astronomic fertility rate to matter.""

I cant believe u people actually agree with that, granted, ill give some (VERY LITTLE) credit to the first on the list(which i did not list), although I do not fully agree with it. Every comment after #1 is degrading, spiteful, and racist towards black people. AND TO ME, THAT IS FUCKING IGNORANT. if you have a problem with blacks, then point it out in a civilized mannor and not in a HATEFUL way--which nchsref can never do. I mean come on, "Turned city streets into sidewalks, and sidewalks into pawn shops," your telling me that this is an intelligent remark? My bad, I thought u were smarter than that......

[Edited on March 24, 2002 at 7:26 PM. Reason : *sigh*]

3/24/2002 7:24:24 PM

^^^ hahaha

3/24/2002 7:33:24 PM

Never said they were responsible for all the shit that happened. But if you read what he wrote

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"Sold themselves into slavery"

this is exactly right.

I also never said ALL of his comments were right. THis is where your pulling shit out of your ass again. I was agreeing with what Hemo said:

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"Some of the things in there are true."

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"if you have a problem with blacks"

I have no problem with blacks. I have a problem with people who perpetuate racism. The problem is, your acknowledgment of what he says and starting threads such as this just give him more to feed off of.

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"then point it out in a civilized mannor "

Like you have all done so well in this thread.

Besides, there is ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING REASON to suspend him because of controversial comments. He can say whatever the fuck he wants. If you do not like it, don't read his threads. Almost nobody does anyways! I know I don't. I could give a shit what he has to say. Maybe we should terminate the guy that started the thread about The Fighting Whities. I felt discrimanted against because of that. No, I'm just fucking kidding. Hell, I thought it was funny. Maybe you should work on a sense of humor.

3/24/2002 7:36:07 PM

I repeat, then why did Grettir get the axe?

3/24/2002 7:37:36 PM

wasn't he posting huge copy-pasted articles? maybe it was causing too great a strain on the servers. Some of his articles were really fucking huge and easily could have bogged down the server as it tried to load and serve it

3/24/2002 7:41:30 PM

i don't know why grettir got the axe, theodorus got the axe for just posting articles and not replying, possibly the same for grettir... i DO know that grettir engaged in personally directed attacks, but that was in real life, i dunno about online

3/24/2002 7:46:00 PM

I am an african american (father is african). I got angry at what they said before and so have many others. Its the reason why the board is not frequented as much by blacks. I was here when it was really bad and very offensive as they posted pictures degrading my history and my intelligence. I got emails threating me and all my "nigger friends" all for doing nothing but saying...i am not an unintelligent beast. I cant make you guys understand how that feels so I dont try to even force it on you.

.....All I can do is be an exception to whatever they say. I dont rob people. I am not a slob. I live below Jake and Joe@ the abbey...they can tell you I am rarely ever here being that lazy black beast. I "probably" do more to contradict anything he could even ponder. My face is out there everyday in the technician, my name, my email and everything i say, every issue I put my name on is right there for you to think about...so suspend him, kick him out, there will be others...to me he is simply user name

3/25/2002 1:58:17 AM

you really support kicking him out, Satch?

3/25/2002 2:37:09 AM

i have to look at Satch's face every time i walk by my building...

it's on a campaign flyer...

how do youo pronounce your last name?

3/25/2002 2:46:22 AM

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"Its the reason why the board is not frequented as much by blacks."

just cause you're black, you know who all the other blacks on TWW are...

3/25/2002 3:43:02 AM

good point, insaneman.

3/25/2002 3:46:33 AM

I think if you showed Jake and Joe the hateful e-mails, that would be considered a personal attack. But I really haven't seen Ref pull anything that stupid yet.

I hope we never get some hateful militaristic black person on here. Because with all this PC shit ya'll got going on, I will be damn sure to campaign for his removal. No I don't give a shit what he would have to say, but I think its pretty damn stupid to try and suspend a guy for being controversial. People in here talk so much shit about gays, and thats just fine. But talk about blacks and your a racist bigot that has no rights to Freedom of Speech. Lovely double standard we have.

3/25/2002 8:17:15 AM

oh i am sorry. I attempted to make a generalized statement from my own personal experience


*i am not saying anyone should be suspended, Just that i try not to pay attention. Its just like those damn mass emails everyone spits out. They piss you off, but if you reply to them you are just adding fuel to the fire....

[Edited on March 25, 2002 at 8:27 AM. Reason : dd]

3/25/2002 8:18:43 AM

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"i don't think the guy's personally attacked anyone. correct me if i'm wrong "

Well, he has told me that I have no business in the Army, since I do not refer to Arabs as "ragheads" and the like. I view that as an attack.

3/25/2002 10:00:18 AM

ugh... please don't make that an attack maverick or else 90% of TWW is gonna have to be banned

3/25/2002 10:01:49 AM

The wolf webb needs balance. if we all agreed on everything there would be nothing to talk about. people like ref stimulate conversation even if what they say is terrible.

3/25/2002 10:33:32 AM

Face it, if he hasn't been suspended by now, he's not going to get suspended.

3/25/2002 11:03:35 AM

Yea Mav, not a great expample of a personal attack. Sorry.

And Satch you said:

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"i am not saying anyone should be suspended, Just that i try not to pay attention. Its just like those damn mass emails everyone spits out. They piss you off, but if you reply to them you are just adding fuel to the fire...."

I said earlier:

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"The problem is, your acknowledgment of what he says and starting threads such as this just give him more to feed off of."

So I think we agree. If more people would simply ignore his shit, then he'd either cut that crap out or go away.

3/25/2002 11:59:02 AM

Ehhhh, true, it is a stretch

3/25/2002 12:24:40 PM

nchsref is a fucking dipshit that runs his mouth. He has told me on several occasions things like I should take my "nigger loving" self and jump off a cliff. Granted, most of the TWW says things like that, but I dont believe the majority of people posting in this thread who are defending nchsref, have really payed attention to his posts. Otherwise, u would understand that he DOES PURPOSELY try to offend people and HE DOES MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS on people. There is plenty of evidence to suspend him. Just go to ANY of his threads....

3/25/2002 12:34:57 PM

ahem. nighthawk, you don't seem to have a complete understanding of black people, but you DO seem to be pretty upset about "PC Bullshit" having to give so much "sympathy" to black people. you're view is completely conservative (and the growth of angry attitudes like yours is kind of alarming), in that it has an "us vs. them" vantage point. for instance, black people did not sell themselves into slavery, but black chieftains in certain regions who had prisoners of tribal wars did sell rival captives, who were black people, to european traders. A black man did not sell himself to slavery, and screw himself over. the logic you use in your thinking is the same many around the world have of americans and Baywatch. The only thing people know of American culture in some parts of the world are what they have seen on Baywatch. However, living here i'm pretty sure you know life's not like Baywatch, and you don't drink martinis with shannon tweed. However, that's the opinion those people will always have of Americans: fake and beautiful, with a life of perfect weather. please see what i'm saying, and revise your thinking before having such a heated basis of opinion. or whatever, i don't really care.

i think TWW needs to keep nshackcoughref on for being the only one who's so blatantly racist, because he must be attacked by other people such as volcomwolf instead of being "out of sight out of mind". just like there must be one porn gallery by scud1, and someone to stand up for homosexuality like hemo, or someone to glorify it like greylin. as long as this site's not overrun by these anomalic personalities, it's fine to be able to argue or express what you want. just don't overdo it. the only thing I'm really annoyed about is the cliquish "nOOb!" attacks by the clique of TWW. not that they're bad people, but taking over a site as a sort of popularity contest is precisely what they probably hated most in high school, and it kind of intimidates new users from joining in discussion. 'sides, callin someone a nOOb makes me think of "your company's computer guy".

BTW, someone please fix my TWW browser.............

4/4/2002 3:27:06 AM

I found that the best way to solve the "problem" of nchsref is just to IGNORE HIM...yes it is just that simple. People like him thrive on attention. Yes, when I first joined TWW, I replied to his posts and argued with him, but I quickly realized that it was a waste of my time...cause I know that what he says is not true, and as long as I know that, I shouldnt give a fuck what he says...he has a right to free speech (even if his opinions about what is fact are wrong), and trust me, as long as he knows that he is gonna get a reaction, he is gonna keep on posting that bullshit. I havent seen the guy on here as much as I used to when I first joined...because people are starting to ignore his ignorance, he isnt getting the same "kick" out of insulting people that he used too...let the boy kill his own hate...he will learn in due time...

Sincerely,
The wonderful black woman you know and love,
bkfemme

4/4/2002 8:49:43 AM

he suspended now

4/4/2002 1:01:42 PM