What % do you think each has at State. When I first came here I thought it was dominated by republicans, but am not sure anymore. Was there ever polls or surveys about student political affiliations or beliefs. My guess is that republicans are certainly in the majority, but by how much?

5/8/2006 5:12:35 PM

well i'm sure in the past couple years a lot of republicans have said they are liberal just cause bush has been fucking up so much

i'd say its 3-2

[Edited on May 8, 2006 at 5:13 PM. Reason : repub-demo]

[Edited on May 8, 2006 at 5:14 PM. Reason : .]

5/8/2006 5:13:51 PM

You mean out of the students that actually voted?

5/8/2006 6:15:58 PM

^^ yes. I remember a poll just a year ago that said that 65% of NCSU students sided with the good guys.

5/8/2006 6:28:44 PM

and who would the good guys be?

5/8/2006 6:30:35 PM

Whites, of course.

5/8/2006 6:40:02 PM

^hahahhahaha ftw

5/8/2006 6:47:11 PM

5/8/2006 7:09:51 PM

65% republicans

5/8/2006 9:28:21 PM

most of the republicans ive encountered on tdub are pretty far left of the republicans from my hometown.

5/8/2006 9:45:21 PM

I'm a conservative but I'm far left of the folks from my good ole southern hometown (Morehead City).

5/8/2006 9:47:54 PM

^ Haha, I'm from Havelock. My mom is high up at the county hospital in Morehead and she says the people that run Carteret County are complete idiots.

Compared to the normal college campus, NC State tends rightward.

Compared to the normal populace, NC State tends leftward.

[Edited on May 9, 2006 at 12:14 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2006 12:13:24 AM

students at NCSU who say they're republican, obviously have lived a sheltered life and are just parroting what their parents and sunday school teachers have told them to say.

5/9/2006 12:18:56 AM

way to stereotype

5/9/2006 12:29:15 AM

it's not a stereotype

it's pretty much truth.

5/9/2006 12:33:59 AM

any self-professed republican under age 22 really just needs a good slap.

5/9/2006 12:38:35 AM

^ Ha

I am more conservative than my mother, but more liberal than my father (who is leaning more to the left everyday). I kinda got politics from both spectra. I guess since I am more moderate, I am parroting from my parents!

I will say though- while I was at State, I would ask friends who were die-hard Republicans why they are so hardcore Republican. Very few gave me answers with any logic. Some did though.

5/9/2006 1:22:00 AM

If at 20 you're not a liberal, you have no heart.

If at 30 you're not a conservative, you have no brain.


-Paraphrashing Winston Churchill

5/9/2006 1:27:38 AM

guess i have no brain.

dang.

5/9/2006 2:12:54 AM

I don't think Republicans are allowed to live in Seattle.

5/9/2006 6:35:29 AM

during the last election, there was a poll saying that the majority of students on campus agreed with john kerry's views, but the majority were voting for bush.

5/9/2006 8:26:54 AM

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"Very few gave me answers with any logic. Some did though."

To be fair, you would find this to be true with any political group. In fact, I would go so far as to say that this would be true regardless of the question.

At least that's how I feel.

5/9/2006 8:37:19 AM

it's hypocritical for a conservative to attend a public university IMHO

5/9/2006 10:18:11 AM

How in the hell is it hypocritical?

5/9/2006 10:35:07 AM

good point

5/9/2006 10:35:20 AM

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"How in the hell is it hypocritical?"

do I really need to spell this out for you?

conservatives favor small government, lower taxes, economic self-sufficiency, free enterprise, the private sector

and then you make taxpayers foot the bill for college

good job asshole

5/9/2006 10:38:55 AM

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"students at NCSU who say they're republican, obviously have lived a sheltered life and are just parroting what their parents and sunday school teachers have told them to say."

This is ridiculous. I'm sure there are plenty of people that are republican simply because their parents were and have never really mulled the issues themselves, but to say that we all obviously led sheltered lives is simply stupid. Now, I'm actually a libertarian, but I align with the republican side of it so I feel fit to defend here.

My political beliefs weren't set before I got here. I had a right-leaning attitude but found actual support for my beliefs from my economics program and business professors. When I take a sociology class (with woodrum) and he makes points like a retarded mule and then I go to an economics class and we emphasis the science part of social science, I find that my liberal professors weren't really professors at all as much as propagandizers.

5/9/2006 10:41:45 AM

BUT I THOUGHT "CONSERVATIVE" JUST MEANT I HATE ABORTION

WHAT THE FUCK DOES MONEY HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING

5/9/2006 10:43:42 AM

We also believe in public education. That's one of the roles of government that many conservatives feel is right. Now, most of them also believe it should be state run (like NCSU, per se). Your statement is like saying "Conservatives that call the police when someone is robbing them are hypocritical"

If its a proper mode of government, then conservatives have no problem with it.

Another analogy "All liberals that go to private parks are hypocrits!"

I can make blanket statements that are stupid as well.

5/9/2006 10:43:53 AM

uhmmmm

there was a well established system of private colleges in this nation that were, and still are, getting the job done

5/9/2006 10:46:28 AM

Neither of my parents are at all political, and I never went to church as a kid, so the "sheltered life/parrot" theory kind of breaks down over here.

But, as long as we're throwing these things around, I'll have some fun...

"Students at NCSU who say they're liberal are obviously just on drugs and are just parroting what their professors and their hippie friends have told them to say."

...wasn't really as gratifying as I thought.

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"conservatives favor small government, lower taxes, economic self-sufficiency, free enterprise, the private sector"

That doesn't mean we favor the abolition of government, no taxes, and the absolute and total free reign of the private sector. We're conservative, not big-L Libertarian.

The government has certain places, and education is certainly one of them. Conservatives have pretty much always said as much (in this country).

[Edited on May 9, 2006 at 10:48 AM. Reason : ]

5/9/2006 10:46:34 AM

If there was a well established set of militias, should we just never develop an army?

5/9/2006 10:48:45 AM

i remember the section on providing for "secure defence" in the preamble to the constitution, but i'm a little foggy on where it says "get dat book learning"

5/9/2006 10:54:30 AM

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"That's one of the roles of government that many conservatives feel is right."

how convenient for you
somehow I don't foresee you refusing social security when you are an invalid

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"proper mode of government"

you mean keeping the negroes in check, i agree

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"All liberals that go to private parks are hypocrits!(sp)"

uhh how common are "private parks" ?

I would say that liberals who push for shit like private beaches are hypocrites



[Edited on May 9, 2006 at 10:56 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2006 10:56:13 AM

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"somehow I don't foresee you refusing social security when you are an invalid"

That's because most conservatives don't hate social security, which is in turn because most conservatives are not adamantly opposed to all government spending in every capcity at all times.

Wolftrap, you've taken the general tendencies of either end of the spectrum to an unrealistic extreme. Saying that all conservatives want the state to abandon public education is only a little different from saying that all liberals want to abolish private property.

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"i'm a little foggy on where it says "get dat book learning""

Which is a fine argument for getting rid of the Department of Education at the national level. But I've yet to run into the state that doesn't provide for free public education in its constitution.

[Edited on May 9, 2006 at 11:00 AM. Reason : ]

5/9/2006 10:59:09 AM

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"somehow I don't foresee you refusing social security when you are an invalid"

I have private disability insurance. Eat that douchebag

5/9/2006 11:01:39 AM

i fail to see how public education is any less of an entitlement than universal healthcare or social security or any of the other pork conservatives rail against

face it, you people are too poor to be republicans

5/9/2006 11:15:44 AM

Because education is something, IMO, best provided for in a public manner.
That way you can make sure that evolution is taught (I'm not kidding, I think it should be) and can be sure that teachers follow the curriculum.

Socialized Healthcare simply doesn't work. It destroys the incentives for doctors to train and we get a shitty load of MDs.

I'm not against Medicaid-type programs when used properly. What I am against is the socialization of just about anything. I'd rather social security be dismantled and replaced by programs for the poor that can't afford to save for their own retirement and let those that can (like me and most likely you) save for it ourselves.

5/9/2006 11:20:00 AM

i can swap every instance of "healthcare" and "education" in your post and it makes about as much sense

5/9/2006 11:32:47 AM

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"Socialized Healthcareeducation simply doesn't work. It destroys the incentives for doctors to train and we get a shitty load of MDs"

Nope, looks like you need to change doctors and MDs too

Assclown

5/9/2006 11:35:00 AM

5/9/2006 11:37:18 AM

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"If at 20 you're not a liberal, you have no heart. If at 30 you're not a conservative, you have no brain. "

I think that was from back when conservative implied financially conservative. It was flipping between the group’s stance on social issues, then a groups stance on financial issues. The socially moderate financially conservative republicans I've seen around here seem to have more in common with the libertarians than the republicans that are in power. The kind of republicans from back home are the anti-people different than us at any cost, even if it means electing insane spenders.

5/9/2006 11:38:55 AM

^Still overstated, but pretty close.

5/9/2006 11:44:54 AM

it's much easier to make a case for universal healthcare than public higher education

health should not really be a privilege in the first world

spending a measly $2,391.50 a semester to have the state fund your golf course management curriculum is a fucking luxury - an damn undeserved one considering half of you ncsu republican fucks are gonna drive around listening to Rush tell you that the liberal taxes are bringing you down

5/9/2006 11:56:30 AM

wolf, do you think we should make sure people eat right and exercise?

If it is their right to have good health, should we compel them to?

I know its a side argument, but I wondered if its like gun ownership, you have the right to choose it but not compelled to.

5/9/2006 12:41:13 PM

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"do I really need to spell this out for you? conservatives favor small government, lower taxes, economic self-sufficiency, free enterprise, the private sector"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Seriously though, what you have described is not a conservative but a libertarian, pure and simple. However, if you feel you have described a conservative, then this must be a liberal:

"liberals favor totalitarianism: collective morality, secret police, no private property, state dependence, beurocrat allocated resources, the public sector."

Well, at least in a liberal paradise there are no taxes as there is nothing to tax.

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"it's much easier to make a case for universal healthcare than public higher education"

No it isn't. With a good education you can get a job and afford your own health-care. With good health-care you may not be able to afford higher education.

[Edited on May 9, 2006 at 1:27 PM. Reason : .,.]

5/9/2006 1:23:16 PM

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"If at 20 you're not a liberal, you have no heart. If at 30 you're not a conservative, you have no brain."

Well what about cheney? He's like 80 and only got 1/4 of a heart.
Or Bush, he's 50 and he's got no brains.

5/9/2006 1:51:25 PM

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" do you think we should make sure people eat right and exercise? If it is their right to have good health, should we compel them to? I know its a side argument, but I wondered if its like gun ownership, you have the right to choose it but not compelled to. "

yes that is how I would define a "right"

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"With a good education you can get a job and afford your own health-care. With good health-care you may not be able to afford higher education."

maybe the the phd shield will get you extra hit points!! jeez you sound like you are playing fucking dungeons and dragons

poor people have a right to health care
higher education is a nice priviledge but let's not pretend it's a conservative value

5/9/2006 1:58:05 PM

^ Alright, smart guy, from the North Carolina Republican Party website:

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"1. We believe in the value of maintaining a good system of public education. "

Like I have said before, you have mistaken the the libertarian nut jobs on this site (namely myself and a few others) for Republicans. That is your mistake, recognize it and move on.

Hit points? What, are you daft? With money comes power over your environment. Now, if you don't believe education brings wealth that would be one thing, my line of reasoning was very dependent upon that being the case. How many people with an Masters in Business have you met that couldn't afford their own health care?

I have met many people who have free health-care (medicare) but couldn't afford college on their own.

[Edited on May 9, 2006 at 5:59 PM. Reason : .,.]

5/9/2006 5:55:53 PM

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" 1. We believe in the value of maintaining a good system of public education."

interesting - let's read the rest of this

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" 1. The Republican Party of North Carolina believes strongly in the value of maintaining a good system of public education. Good public education is impossible unless parents, not the state, have control over where their children will be educated. 2. Choice and competition have served the state well in higher education and we believe choice and competition should be used to improve public education at primary and secondary levels as well. We oppose regulatory attempts to deny learning options for our children. For these reasons, we support tax credits for parents who relieve the burden on our public schools by lawfully educating their children in private or home schools. We support charter schools and we urge the legislature to remove the cap that limits the number of charter schools Parents are the best judges of what kind of schooling is best for their children. There should not be any additional legal restrictions on parent’s ability to lawfully educate their children at home. 3. Our current system of top-heavy, bureaucratic, centrally planned public education is failing to ensure the quality of education our children need and deserve. Therefore, we support measures that maintain the independence of North Carolina schools from the federal government. We support keeping all North Carolina education dollars in North Carolina without going to maintain unneeded bureaucrats at the national level. 4. Incremental change of this failing system, augmented by higher taxes, higher spending, and more regulation will not meet the needs of North Carolina's future citizens. 5. Real education reform means local control of curriculum, budget, textbook selection, and personnel in the public schools. We believe parents must have complete access to all information concerning curriculum and activities used in educating their children, and we believe parents must have access to all materials used for teacher development in the public school system. 6. Real reform must also include defining academic performance standards, cutting administrative waste, and establishing part-time and alternative teacher certification. Our students must have the best possible teachers in the classroom. Teachers should be paid, retained, and promoted based on the quality of their work, not on the length of their service; to that end, we support abolition of the Teacher Tenure Act. 7. Students are not served by the ideological indoctrination inherent in outcome-based education. All children should be able to read and write at grade level and all high school graduates should be proficient at the twelfth grade level rather than at the eighth grade level currently allowed by the state. We believe the “No Child Left Behind” law has the correct goal of requiring schools to educate all children to grade level. Social promotion should be eliminated because it hurts children by promoting them before they are prepared for the next grade. 8. All schools should encourage patriotism and knowledge of the traditional values of Western civilization upon which our republic is based. We oppose using public dollars, to fund liberal attempts at social engineering contrary to the foundations on which our nation rests. We support daily recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in our schools, and we believe every classroom should display an American flag and a copy of our national motto — “In God We Trust.” 9. Republicans oppose mandatory sex education in public schools and believe sex education should not be included in any public school program without obtaining prior approval from parents or guardians. Where sex education is included, we support teaching abstinence until marriage as required by state law, and as the expected norm for acceptable sexual behavior. National studies have shown that the majority of Americans agree with this approach. The practice of abstinence until marriage is the most effective way to prevent teenage pregnancies, absentee fathers, abortion, and sexually transmitted diseases. It is also the most effective way to create healthy relationships and healthy self-esteem among young people. 10. We oppose the provision of school-based social services, including school-based clinics and mental health programs, which attempt to bypass parental authority and responsibility. 11. Just as discourse on public policy relies on moral principles based on spiritual convictions, so also learning must rely on moral principles supported by our deepest convictions. We believe America must be neutral toward religion itself. But mindful of our country's Judeo-Christian heritage and rich religious pluralism, we also support the right of students to engage in voluntary prayer in school and the right of others to pray as well at public occasions such as commencement exercises. We also strongly support equal access to school facilities. 12. North Carolina has traditionally provided affordable higher education to its citizens. But taxpayers should not be required to fund higher education for illegal immigrants. 13. We oppose the restriction of free speech and free assembly by public educational institutions on ideological or religious grounds."

HOLY SHIT THIS IS SCARY STUFF I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY PUT THIS IN WRITING

I am so glad I live in a blue state now

5/9/2006 6:32:26 PM