per salisburyboy's own words:

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"I'm currently restricted to posting in my own threads, and cannot post in threads started by other users in the SB per my agreement with the SB moderator, theDuke866."

so since he is not allowed to post in here, maybe we can have real, rational discussions about how 9/11 was not a government inside job. please keep the zionist crap out of here; save that for the other thread. this is for REAL discussion with answers that are not fabricated.

let's just see how it works.

[Edited on May 17, 2006 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2006 3:55:52 PM

this isn't a discussion

its a fact

5/17/2006 3:57:04 PM

1) It makes no fucking sense for the government to destroy the towers when the economy was already in the toilet.

2) Anyone who believes otherwise is a fucking moron.

5/17/2006 3:59:34 PM

^^ well some would definitely argue with that. i mean, conspiracy theorists are out there in force saying that the government was involved. but can we really believe the government would kill >3000 civilians?

^ u make an excellent point, the economy was doin terrible at the time and 9/11 would prove to keep the economy down.

[Edited on May 17, 2006 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2006 4:00:02 PM

this discussion wouldnt go anywhere productive

lock

5/17/2006 4:00:16 PM

it can be pretty much proven in that salisburyboy espouses the other side.

5/17/2006 4:00:38 PM

well people are welcome to challenge the ideas with what has been presented but just keepin the big zionist, edomite, NWO crap outta here.

5/17/2006 4:02:02 PM

there is no theory outside zionism/edomite/shit like that

everyone with sense sees this

5/17/2006 4:08:12 PM

It's easier for insecure people to think that unseen forces allow bad things to happen than it is for them to face the possibility that foreigners that hate them can come and kill them.

5/17/2006 4:10:01 PM

so it's basically just a personal insecurity type thing that conspiracies are thought up?

5/17/2006 4:15:16 PM

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"^^ well some would definitely argue with that. i mean, conspiracy theorists are out there in force saying that the government was involved. but can we really believe the government would kill >3000 civilians? ^ u make an excellent point, the economy was doin terrible at the time and 9/11 would prove to keep the economy down."

The conspiracy theorists would answer you by saying that they didn't think the towers would collapse the way they did, thus keeping the death toll down. They would also tell you that those responsible were banking on the resulting war pulling the economy up rather than down.

Conspiracy theorists are dumb, but those are their answers to those questions.

5/17/2006 4:20:26 PM

george bush hates black people and there were black people in the WTC

btw when a black person jumped out of the WTC to avoid fire, he was called a "suicide jumper"...when a white person jumped out of the WTC to avoid fire, he was called an "American hero who died bravely while fighting for his country's economy"

5/17/2006 4:24:56 PM

^ haha never heard that

5/17/2006 4:25:31 PM

me neither and i dont believe it haha

5/17/2006 4:47:32 PM

ehh, I dont believe all the zionist/edomite connection stuff. But, I definetly believe some shit happened that the government either knew was going to happen/or planned and allowed to happen, that if it ever hit the public media officially, a shit storm would ensue, I mean like, an overthrow, civil war, something big.

5/18/2006 2:24:26 AM

you think the american people care enough to overthrow anything?

ahahahahahahha

ahahah

ha
haha

ah

ha.

Let me learn you something -- one thing is stronger than ANYTHING else, and that's decadence. All Americans care about is whether or not they can consume their precious entertainment after a meaningless (and hopefully swift) 8 hours in the office. As long as they get their fix, you can pull whatever shit on them you'd like. Patriotism is dead, it's been replaced by comfort and perceived safety.

5/18/2006 2:40:01 AM

maybe so in a broad sense. I believe however there are enough, including myself, that would rise up and take action, a sort of resistance group if you will.

5/18/2006 3:28:32 AM

You may get the current government booted from office and a partial cull of the civil service, but I doubt that you'll see an uprising. That's because people still believe the system can still be saved, that the government hasn't become corrupt enough that it needs to be violently purged. McDanger is right in the sense that life in the United States as a whole is now comfortable enough and on the surface, safe enough, that people aren't going to risk gambling that for the unknown.

5/18/2006 10:00:53 AM

this "uprising" will never happen.

a resistance group? is this group going to be armed or something? please expand on this resistance group

5/18/2006 10:05:52 AM

your "resistance group" will be shot the fuck up and your base will be burned to the ground

shit, the american legion could take your asses out, let alone the national guard or the actual military

5/18/2006 10:11:48 AM

thas what im saying. this resitance group would not last a week. the government would go Waco style and everyone would be dead. so good luck with that

5/18/2006 10:15:11 AM

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"The conspiracy theorists would answer you by saying that they didn't think the towers would collapse the way they did, thus keeping the death toll down."

so, they know all this super secret shit and can do all this fantabulous chicanery, but simple engineering is beyond their comprehension?

5/20/2006 1:12:03 AM

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"1) It makes no fucking sense for the government to destroy the towers when the economy was already in the toilet. 2) Anyone who believes otherwise is a fucking moron. "

I don't think you understand the motive behind the supposed conspiracy theories. It wouldn't (and couldn't) be for the benefit of the country, or the economy in general. It could only be for a certain set of elements IN the economy, or just to expand the power of the controlling forces.

Depending on which whacko you're listening to, 9/11 did help a lot of companies that make their money on war (like Haliburton, and the people they contract out to). The oil companies seem to have made out well too.

Also, it has helped to expand various secret spy programs run by the gov., and has likely increased funding to secret programs in general too.

5/20/2006 1:29:53 AM

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"shit, the american legion could take your asses out"

lol.

what he said.

5/20/2006 2:38:06 AM

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"but can we really believe the government would kill >3000 civilians?"

and why not?

testing of nuclear weapons in some desert in the 50's or 60's killed an estimated 10,000 people over a period of time due to exposure. and the government knew it was happening, but they continued.

(i don't remember the details, but this info was declassified recently, and was on the news a couple of years back)

and what about testing of diseases and other harmful agents on blacks? was that not the government?

i am not saying the gov did 9/11. of course, bin laden on the tape gloating about it negates that.

but to say that the gov cannot even think of doing it is negated by the history of the country. the gov will do anything and everything to perpetuate itself. just like any company would. bottom line is power and profits. see erin brokovich. did they care about people getting sick?

wasn't the gov planning on blowing up an airliner in the 70's and then blame it on cuba, and then go to war with them?

there are so many unanswered questions about 9/11, and the gov by stopping an independent inquiry is only feeding the conspiracy theories. why are they stopping it? can anybody answer that?

why did it take so long to scramble the jets?

why were the country's defenses down?

can cell phones work from inside planes? if not, how did flight 93 passengers call home from inside?

how did the hijackers take the metallic blades on board? they never allow any sharp objects on baord.

look up on google:

LIHOP

and

MIHOP

(i and countless others subscribe to the earlier one; the latter one is out of whack)

5/20/2006 8:26:25 AM

Love the
International
House
Of
Pancakes

me too, oep. me too.

5/20/2006 12:12:38 PM

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"how did the hijackers take the metallic blades on board? they never allow any sharp objects on baord."

Not anymore. Before 9/11 I would fly with a rope pick on my key chain, which was basically a 4 inch metal spike.

5/20/2006 1:15:37 PM

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"why did it take so long to scramble the jets? "

it didnt take long. but the problem was (1) no one knew what the protocol was for downing civilian airliners (2) there was conflicting information about what was happening. In short, no one knew what the fuck to do. No one had drilled on this scenario.

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"why were the country's defenses down? "

defenses were up just fine for conventional attacks. But no one was prepared for suicide pilots driving US commercial airliners into buildings. And the CIA and FBI were (and always had been) at odds with each other, were reluctant to share information, and there was a major shortage of analysts who could traslate arabic.

True, BushCo was a bumbling bunch of fucknuts trying to figure out a way to attack Iraq. It was pure luck for them that Osama Bin Laden came along to make their wettest dreams come true.

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"can cell phones work from inside planes? if not, how did flight 93 passengers call home from insid"

cell phones work inside planes if they're in range of a signal. what makes you think they dont?

the problem with cell phones on planes is they're a huge electronic noise source and they can cause the navigation instrumentation to fail.

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"how did the hijackers take the metallic blades on board? they never allow any sharp objects on baord."

i regularly carried a small pocket knife on flights before sept 2001. no one ever considered a box cutter in carry-on luggage to be a weapon.

man. why am i bothering? you conspiracy theorists always have to have a complicated explanation for things, and aren't ever going to accept the obvious.

The scandal here is not a conspiracy of the US govt to kill civilians, and its only partially about the lack of preparation and accountability of the government. Its really about the actions taken since then, the lies of association to justify a foregone plan to attack and occupy a sovereign nation who had nothing to do with the attacks.



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5/20/2006 4:10:57 PM

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"can cell phones work from inside planes? if not, how did flight 93 passengers call home from inside?"

Why would cell phones not work in a plane?


Have you been on a plane? if you have you would have seen plenty of people talking until the flight attendents come up to them and tell them to stfu.

5/20/2006 5:06:04 PM

i have never had service in flight

5/20/2006 5:08:15 PM

i have usually had a signal on the plane but of course always told not to use cell phones but rather the built-in seat phones.

5/20/2006 5:11:55 PM

All of those people on flight 93 using their cell phones is probably what took it down.

5/21/2006 9:45:25 PM

NSA already knew about it

5/21/2006 10:39:36 PM