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"N.C. State loses recruiting steam without Sendek By NOLAN HAYES : The Herald-Sun nhayes@heraldsun.com May 28, 2006 : 12:41 am ET CHAPEL HILL -- The N.C. State men's basketball program lost more than its head coach when Herb Sendek went to Arizona State. It also lost some future players. Although 6-8 forward Dennis Horner of Absecon, N.J., appears likely to honor the letter of intent he signed to play for the Wolfpack, 6-3 guard Larry Davis of New York and 6-7 forward Dan Werner of Middletown, N.J., reopened their recruiting. Davis has committed to play at Seton Hall, and Werner is considering his options. And that's just from the Class of 2006. Evan Turner, a 6-7 forward (and top-25 player in the Class of 2007) from St. Joseph High in Westchester, Ill., said Saturday afternoon that he was ready to commit to N.C. State before Sendek's exit. "This weekend, I was going to come down and commit," Turner said after leading the Illinois Wolves to a 74-54 victory over the Tallahassee Wildcats in pool play of the Bob Gibbons Tournament of Champions at the Smith Center. "But he left a couple of months ago." Turner has started over with regard to picking a school and now considers himself "wide open." He has taken an unofficial visit to Ohio State -- he has family in Columbus, Ohio -- and said Duke assistant coach Chris Collins recently contacted him. The Wolfpack's potential loss -- Turner said he has not heard from anyone on new N.C. State coach Sidney Lowe's staff -- could turn out to be even greater. N.C. State also was recruiting Illinois Wolves point guard Demetri McCamey, who is Turner's teammate at St. Joseph. The players said Saturday they don't have to play their college basketball together, but they also said they wouldn't mind it. "We were kidding around the other day and talking about it, but we really don't talk the recruiting talk much," McCamey said. "We just like playing basketball. And for right now, there's no package deal. Whatever college he wants to go to and whatever college I want to go to, if it's the right fit, then both of us will go. If not, then he's got to go his separate way and do what's best for him." Said Turner: "He's a good player, and I've been playing with him since I was like 11. If he goes the same place I do, it will be good to have a friendly face around." The duo, primary targets of Wake Forest, put on a show in the Wolves' victory over the Wildcats. Lean with long arms, Turner blocked a shot on the first possession of the game and made a layup for his team's first points. He finished with 24 points, while McCamey -- well put together at 6-3 and 210 pounds -- scored 22. Each player assisted on four baskets by the other, including a pretty give-and-go that resulted in a jumper by McCamey in the game's opening minutes. Turner said he wants to play in the ACC, Big East or Big Ten, and McCamey -- who said he has spoken often with coaches on Indiana's staff and has drawn interest from Miami and Virginia around the ACC -- said he will take an unofficial visit to Wake Forest next month. "They're really cool guys, and they let their guards play," McCamey said of Wake Forest coach Skip Prosser and his staff. "That's a plus for them." Turner, so close to having his future plans in place a couple of months ago, isn't sure when he'll get back to that point. "I can't really call that," he said. "It's all about when it feels right. When I decided I wanted to commit to N.C. State, it felt right. I knew I wanted to go there, and it was kind of heartbreaking when they left." "

http://heraldsun.com/sports/18-739246.html

GG "fans"

5/28/2006 8:44:54 AM

YOU ARENT A REAL FAN IF YOU DIDNT WANT HERB AND HIS SUCCESS GONE!

So we lost out on Wright and Turner, 2 top 25 players.

Yeah losing Herb was good alright. He kept getting better and this proves it even more.

5/28/2006 8:53:50 AM

I'm not quite sure how players that committed to Sendek decommitting (sp? eh) is proves he was getting better, but then again, people on both sides of the argument have been shown to be pretty stupid.

5/28/2006 8:59:34 AM

FIRE HERB

FIRE BASKETBALL COACH

FIRE BASKETBALL

FIRE EVERYONE

5/28/2006 9:01:50 AM

^^Losing the recruits means nothing towards Herb. It is the fact that 2 top 25 players, probably McDonalds All-Americans were gonna come here and play for him that proves things were going up.

5/28/2006 9:05:11 AM

LET IT GO

5/28/2006 9:05:48 AM

Herb would have just ruined their careers anyways like he did to Scooter

5/28/2006 9:17:24 AM

^^Oh so Im suppossed to be happy about the fact that our coach isn't our coach yet?

We are going to lose our best player in Simmons early, we might lose Ben, we already lost Larry Davis and probably Dan Werner too.

^Did you watch the games? Scooter was not THAT good. He could not play defense at all until his senior year.

5/28/2006 9:21:34 AM

It's always the players who screwed up, never Herb's proven system that has won championships at the NCAA and NBA levels...oh wait.

Herb sucks. His system sucked. He was a terrible floor coach. He was content being uncch's and dook's and even wake forest's bitch.

He's gone. What's the point of crying like little girls over this?

If Turner was in love with State, hopefully Lowe can work some magic and get him here.

I mean really, some of you were content with 10 years of mediocity and now you won't even give the new coach any leeway or slack just because your precious herbert has left town, on his own might I add.

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5/28/2006 9:28:57 AM

If they wanted to come to State because they liked the school, the tradition, or even the RBC Center, then they'll still come.

If they wanted to come here only to play in that system, I don't want them.

It's really that simple.

5/28/2006 9:42:26 AM

^yep, thats right, and by the way Horner is officially coming, seems excited about running an up tempo offense

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"N.C. State loses recruiting steam without Sendek By NOLAN HAYES : The Herald-Sun nhayes@heraldsun.com May 28, 2006 : 12:41 am ET CHAPEL HILL"

You think this article is not biased....hmmmmm

[Edited on May 28, 2006 at 9:44 AM. Reason : ]

5/28/2006 9:43:55 AM

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""They're really cool guys, and they let their guards play," McCamey said of Wake Forest coach Skip Prosser and his staff. "That's a plus for them." "

yeah, this guy definitely wanted to play for sendek

5/28/2006 6:07:49 PM

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"It is the fact that 2 top 25 players, probably McDonalds All-Americans were gonna come here and play for him that proves things were going up. "

Recruiting was never Herb's problem

5/28/2006 6:43:41 PM

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"YOU ARENT A REAL FAN IF YOU DIDNT WANT HERB AND HIS SUCCESS GONE! So we lost out on Wright and Turner, 2 top 25 players."

Wow, 2 top 25 players. Too bad he couldn't get that many top 25 finishes.

5/28/2006 6:46:23 PM

^ But he had 9 top 25 classes

Doesn't that count

5/28/2006 6:56:32 PM

do you really think those two guys would have played to their potential if coached by herb sendek?

5/28/2006 7:09:50 PM

It's amazing how dickless these herb supporters still are. They have a complete inability to evaluate risk-reward and make a decision based on that.

He is gone. You lost. Let it go.

5/28/2006 7:31:16 PM

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"Herb sucks. His system sucked. He was a terrible floor coach. He was content being uncch's and dook's and even wake forest's bitch. He's gone. What's the point of crying like little girls over this? "

what was the point of you addressing some stupid comments in the first place? so you can gloat that you "won" this past year by having herb leave?

and "sucks" isnt usually a word you use to describe teams that consistently make the tournament.

who cares? obviously you do. oh well, get ready to maybe make the tournament in a few years, about the same time the football team wins their 4th tangerine bowl. hooray for nc state athletics!

[Edited on May 28, 2006 at 7:34 PM. Reason : .]

5/28/2006 7:32:50 PM

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"^^Oh so Im suppossed to be happy about the fact that our coach isn't our coach yet?"

he didn't say "JUMP UP AND DOWN AND THROW A PARTY!"

he said "LET IT GO."

5/28/2006 7:36:55 PM

^^ If you're happy with merely getting into the tournament then I suggest that you transfer to Winthrop or any other mid major university.

Herb went to a place where people can appreciate Waluigi's concept of success, which is pretty much like claiming you're the CEO of IBM while serving as a mail clerk.

5/29/2006 11:31:32 AM

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"I mean really, some of you were content with 10 years of mediocity"

God...I hated having the second best record in the ACC over the past 5 years....

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"Recruiting was never Herb's problem"

But it was never as good as it was currently getting....we were actually holding on to McDonald's AAs now (legit ones...not Scooter/Damien type guys).


I know its water under the bridge now. I fully support Lowe...but these first couple of years are going to be rough. I hope everyone can go through another couple of Les-like years.

[Edited on May 29, 2006 at 11:40 AM. Reason : .]

5/29/2006 11:40:38 AM

you would think people would want to play for a coach thats had success in the NBA, though

5/29/2006 2:55:47 PM

I think the RBC had a lot to do with Herb's recruiting to tell you the truth. He was a good recruiter, but I have no doubt that Lowe (especially with Harris, who was Herb's best recruiter) will bring in the exact type of kids Herb did.

It sucks to lose possible players such as these, but hopefully Lowe can reel some of them back in. I'm not going to get all upset over it, though. Herb always recruited top talent. He won a lot of games with it but I'm not going to think that this class would "put us over the top". I've said that for years and it's never happened...eventually you come to the realization that talent wasn't our problem

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5/29/2006 3:08:44 PM

Herb was great at taking potential stars and and castrating their athleticism for his precious offense. that is why Powell left, Mike Bell left, Wilcox didn't come, and Tucker was overlooked,

people got tired of that shit

so here i stand, a former Herb supporter, now saying without any sarcasm

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"GG "fans""

Herb is in a place where he deserves to be and is well fit for--at ASU on a rebuilding mission

and incase you geniuses didn't realise, it REALLY is time to move on

oh yeah, and just incase anybody missed the first line, this piece was written in Chapel Hill

5/29/2006 3:09:17 PM

Wilcox wanted to come to State from what I can remember

We chose Mike Bell over him.


Kinda like we chose Cliff Crawford over Steve Blake



^ And I agree. Herb wasn't the best talent developer out there. This talent he "had" coming in probably wouldn't have lived up to expectations that NC State fans are notorious for giving people before they ever set foot on campus. They look impressive in high school, sure.... but history has taught me not to expect great things from recruiting classes

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5/29/2006 3:10:48 PM

we could've gotten both Wilcox and Bell

5/29/2006 3:13:55 PM

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"Herb went to a place where people can appreciate Waluigi's concept of success, which is pretty much like claiming you're the CEO of IBM while serving as a mail clerk. "

way to jump to conclusions. i said we didnt suck. i didnt say we were kicking ass. you have to be one of the dumbest posters on this entire board. have you ever realized that you're hardly ever right about anything, from the europe thing to your double standard on rush limbaugh to this...

at least im realistic and know that expecting nc state to beat unc and duke yearly is far-fetched. you keep waiting for 1983 to happen over again, im moving on and not basing everything on some warped view of the mighty nc state tradition.

[Edited on May 29, 2006 at 3:46 PM. Reason : .]

5/29/2006 3:44:14 PM

i cant stand that whole "dumbest posters in this whole board argument"

its used like 50 times a day, and there is no way you can possibly narrow one out of like 25000 users

5/29/2006 3:46:51 PM

well, yeah

someone should really make a top 25 list or something

[Edited on May 29, 2006 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

5/29/2006 3:55:46 PM

Hahaha, I won't be able to sleep at night, knowing that some anonymous sniveling leftwinged loon on an internet messageboard does not approve of me. Oh how will I go on living?

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"at least im realistic and know that expecting nc state to beat unc and duke yearly is far-fetched. you keep waiting for 1983 to happen over again, im moving on and not basing everything on some warped view of the mighty nc state tradition."

You're not realistic. You are a defeatist.

If State isn't at least trying to win ACC or NCAA titles every year, then why even have a program? I want a coach who is going to strive to make NC State an elite program. It isn't like we're wake forest or any number of programs with a lack of history and tradition.

Look at FSU. Before Bowden came there, they were an afterthought of a football program. The same goes for Miami. Coach K took his lumps at Duke before they became winners. But at least they had a goal and a dream. If you have neither of those then you're dead.

5/29/2006 4:31:26 PM

bravo

5/29/2006 4:36:59 PM

i take it day by day. i dont get my hopes up for anything. i do expect improvement, and guess what? we hit a wall and i admitted that. i was pretty vocal at the end of the season about herb not being the man for the job, so shut the fuck up. did we suck? hell no, we were consitently an average acc team who wasnt going anywhere. i was optimistic that we would get over that hump, but we plateaued. however, i dont expect us to go out and win a championship every other year and beat unc and duke. that is unrealistic. duke has put together one of the best dynasites in acc history over the past 10 years. unc consistently draws name recognition, which helps them recruit the best players. we are average right now, probably below average now that we have a new coach who is unproven at the college level. thats the truth, not being defeatist. just because im not some stupid homer who sits around growling about liberals and hurb all day doesnt mean im not realistic, you nitwit.

now shut the book on herb and get back to finding new reasons to be mad at france or some kennedys or something.

[Edited on May 29, 2006 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

5/29/2006 4:42:23 PM

why are people still talking about this?

isnt it football season yet?

5/29/2006 4:54:40 PM

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"at least im realistic and know that expecting nc state to beat unc and duke yearly is far-fetched."

Luigi, Duke used to say that same thing about UNC and State. Look at them now.


To say the fans that wanted Herb out were crazy enough to think that we should always beat UNC and Duke is so far from the truth. I want a coach that gave me hope that we were actually going to improve and that had the gonads to stand up to the juggernauts. Herb was a solid coach but most could agree that he probably wouldn't have taken us to new heights if he hadn't done it in a decade.

In retrospect, were we too harsh and unappreciative? Probably. Would I want him back? Not on my life. I don't care if Lowe doesn't work out... at least we tried.

5/29/2006 4:57:37 PM

We could not have gotten Wilcox and Bell...we could not have gotten Wilcox period. We wanted Wilcox more...but he was bought and paid for to Maryland. Not to mention his academics were extremly suspect.

We wanted Chris bad...he liked us...but there was no way he wasn't going to Maryland. We messed up with Cliff Crawford and Steve Blake...but Cliff was ranked higher and I would have had a tough time defending Steve Blake being our team for 4 years...fucking punk.

5/29/2006 11:14:19 PM

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"Herb was a solid coach but most could agree that he probably wouldn't have taken us to new heights if he hadn't done it in a decade. "

Thats pretty much the truth here. However, some continue to insist that he was a garbage coach that never did anything for us, and I'm not trying to be a supporter of him by saying that that is wrong, but i mean, come on. pete gillen was a garbage coach, not herb.

5/29/2006 11:50:57 PM

Yeah, WIlcox would not have been accepted at NC State from what I remember reading.

5/29/2006 11:54:45 PM

^ he hung in there at Enloe, i think he would've made our academic requirements

5/31/2006 6:02:39 PM

you don't actually think he did his own work???

5/31/2006 6:12:27 PM